"Why Is It That Atheists Don't Believe In God?"

[loverofhumanity]

"religions are not the source of moral codes but, rather, social enforcers of instinctive moral behavior." An Evolutionary Theory of Right and Wrong
The Moral Life of Babies

I beg to differ and history and documents I believe support my view.

History shows that the Universal Educators such as Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Christ, Moses and Baha’u’llah are the Ones Who taught us these things and their Holy Books are documented proof of this. Open any Holy Book and read it and you will find what I’m saying is true and verifiable.

Billions of people throughout history past and present base their moral code and ethics upon these Great Educators. They are living proof of the massive effect these Educators have had on humanity.

 

[ArtieE]

I beg to differ and history and documents I believe support my view.

History shows that the Universal Educators such as Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Christ, Moses and Baha’u’llah are the Ones Who taught us these things and their Holy Books are documented proof of this. Open any Holy Book and read it and you will find what I’m saying is true and verifiable.

Billions of people throughout history past and present base their moral code and ethics upon these Great Educators. They are living proof of the massive effect these Educators have had on humanity.

So what you are saying is that you have no moral compass and didn't know cheating and stealing and lying and murdering was wrong until you read it in a Holy Book?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So what you are saying is that you have no moral compass and didn't know cheating and stealing and lying and murdering was wrong until you read it in a Holy Book?

My moral education as a child was based upon the Ten Commandments as well as Jesus counsels to love and forgive.

Thanks to this wonderful spiritual education and these glorious teachings my life has been happy, stable and crime free.

 

[Vinayaka]

My moral education as a child was based upon the Ten Commandments as well as Jesus counsels to love and forgive.

Thanks to this wonderful spiritual education and these glorious teachings my life has been happy, stable and crime free.

Just what are you insinuating here? Are you saying that without the bible, you would have had no ability to love or be loved, and no ability to forgive, and never forgiven?

Are you also insinuating that people without 'these glorious teachings' have unhappy, unstable and crime ridden lives? (Using your words)

 

[ArtieE]

My moral education as a child was based upon the Ten Commandments as well as Jesus counsels to love and forgive.

Thanks to this wonderful spiritual education and these glorious teachings my life has been happy, stable and crime free.

So you are actually saying that without this education you would have no morals and your life would have been unhappy, unstable and full of crime? That is the purpose of religion isn't it... getting people without a moral compass to live morally anyway...

 

[Revoltingest]

So what you are saying is that you have no moral compass and didn't know cheating and stealing and lying and murdering was wrong until you read it in a Holy Book?

Clearly, many believers also learn morality from secular sources.
Because if they learned it solely from their faith, they'd own slaves,
kill non-believers, attack lower castes, wage holy wars, murder
babies, etc, etc.

I've seen some passages from their sacred texts.
Without our calming & peaceful secular influence,
rivers of blood would flow in the streets.

 

[Vinayaka]

As far as I know, there is only one thing that truly exemplifies morality, and it surely isn't belief. It's action. Honour and dishonour are found in all walks of life, and all creeds.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Just what are you insinuating here? Are you saying that without the bible, you would have had no ability to love or be loved, and no ability to forgive, and never forgiven?

Are you also insinuating that people without 'these glorious teachings' have unhappy, unstable and crime ridden lives? (Using your words)

Not at all. I’m just pointing out that in my case these wonderful spiritual teachings had an exemplary effect on my character and still do today and I’m very grateful for that.

 

[Vinayaka]

Not at all. I’m just pointing out that in my case these wonderful spiritual teachings had an exemplary effect on my character and still do today and I’m very grateful for that.

Everyone has something. We're all unique.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So you are actually saying that without this education you would have no morals and your life would have been unhappy, unstable and full of crime? That is the purpose of religion isn't it... getting people without a moral compass to live morally anyway...

All I can say is I found hope and a vision, purpose and meaning in life that led to inner peace and contentment.

As a child I was a devout catholic and experienced much joy and happiness as well as peace. As I got older I discovered that there were many religions but they were divided amongst themselves.

For a time, about maybe 7 years I became disillusioned with religion and became an atheist. During this time I lost hope and was weary of life. I went through a period of binge drinking and 6 suicide attempts the last one with 60 sleeping tablets. I was in and out of mental institutions even once put in a strait jacket because I said the world needs unity. Eventually the doctors gave me 6 courses of electric shock treatment to try and make me forget my passionate insistence that we people could all come together if we looked at our humanity.

When I came across Baha’u’llah and His beautiful vision of a peaceful united world my ordeal ended. I finally found, almost from my deathbed what I had been seeking all my life, a way for all of us to be as one human family.

 

[Vinayaka]

Personally, I just don't find personal testimony much of an argument. It seems to be a 'go to' for some, though.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Anyone understands? How did people come to understand it? Where’s your history showing people learning these things? I’ve shown where these concepts originated from can you?

People aren’t born knowing right from wrong or good from bad or moral from immoral. They are educated by knowledge passed down from generations which I firmly believe originates from the Holy Scriptures. Records exist proving this fact.

Billions of people were educated by their religions past and present.

Why does everybody keep repeating that lie??

Ever since I came back to "life" after my childhood NDE/OBE, I found that I had the Spirit of God so knew right from wrong, and also empathy and compassion. And even with crappy role model parents, I could never wavered from what I knew to be right and wrong.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why does everybody keep repeating that lie??

Ever since I came back to "life" after my childhood NDE/OBE, I found that I had the Spirit of God so knew right from wrong, and also empathy and compassion. And even with crappy role model parents, I could never wavered from what I knew to be right and wrong.

Just because you say it’s a lie doesn’t make it so. It’s only your finite human opinion. One opinion amongst billions who see it differently.

If it bothers you that much just go your own way and we’ll go ours. It doesnt bother us in the slightest that you think it’s all a lie because it’s as clear as the sun to me and us it’s truth and it’s wonderful.

 

[Riders]

Just because you say it’s a lie doesn’t make it so. It’s only your finite human opinion. One opinion amongst billions who see it differently.

If it bothers you that much just go your own way and we’ll go ours. It doesnt bother us in the slightest that you think it’s all a lie because it’s as clear as the sun to me and us it’s truth and it’s wonderful.

Its only an opinion but both of your opinions are only opinions seen in your eyes,. As the post between yall suggests its just personal experience, it means something to you not to everyone else.

 

[Riders]

Clearly, many believers also learn morality from secular sources.
Because if they learned it solely from their faith, they'd own slaves,
kill non-believers, attack lower castes, wage holy wars, murder
babies, etc, etc.

I've seen some passages from their sacred texts.
Without our calming & peaceful secular influence,
rivers of blood would flow in the streets.

They claim the law of the old testament does not count because Jesus fullfilled it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Its only an opinion but both of your opinions are only opinions seen in your eyes,. As the post between yall suggests its just personal experience, it means something to you not to everyone else.

Yes we all arrive at our own conclusions through our own research and experience and to each of us our own conclusion is valid. But I am glad I was an atheist for a good while because it taught me to question and not to accept anything blindly.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Clearly, many believers also learn morality from secular sources.
Because if they learned it solely from their faith, they'd own slaves,
kill non-believers, attack lower castes, wage holy wars, murder
babies, etc, etc.

I've seen some passages from their sacred texts.
Without our calming & peaceful secular influence,
rivers of blood would flow in the streets.

So we are believers then we stand accused of these things?

Please tell me where Baha’is are killing non believers, attacking lower castes, waging holy wars and murdering babies? We are a peaceful community dedicated to tolerance and friendship with all humanity based solely on the teachings of Baha’u’llah not secularism Our ideas of peace and tolerance all come from Him.

And He forbid slavery in His Book of Laws.

“It is forbidden you to trade in slaves, be they men or women.”

The Kitab-i-Aqdas
Bahá'u'lláh

 

[Revoltingest]

They claim the law of the old testament does not count because Jesus fullfilled it.

It sure is easy to pick & choose from all the conflicting scriptural
prescriptions & proscriptions, eh. How do they deal with it?
Ideally, they look to positive secular influences, eg, tolerance
of others' beliefs, liberty for all.

 

[Revoltingest]

So we are believers then we stand accused of these things?

Please tell me where Baha’is are killing non believers, attacking lower castes, waging holy wars and murdering babies? We are a peaceful community dedicated to tolerance and friendship with all humanity based solely on the teachings of Baha’u’llah not secularism Our ideas of peace and tolerance all come from Him.

And He forbid slavery in His Book of Laws.

“It is forbidden you to trade in slaves, be they men or women.”

The Kitab-i-Aqdas
Bahá'u'lláh

Of course, my criticism was painted with a very broad brush.
Religions vary greatly, from old school Buddhism to rabid
fundamentalist oppression by you know who.
So no one should take offense if their own faith's teachings
avoid the wrongs I've cited. Kudos for being positive.