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"Why Is It That Atheists Don't Believe In God?"

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Why would that matter?

I guess it does not matter if we are not interested in understanding the nature, causes and significance of atheism.

Come to think of it, we would have to lack a genuine interest in the nature, causes and significance of theism as well.

If we have such interests, then of course it matters.

I respectfully disagree, because it is just as reasonable that a God exists as that God does not exist, maybe even more reasonable.

@Trailblazer , you are trying to raise a personal aesthetical preference to a matter of logic.

You will fail.

I think the actual main cause of atheism is unwillingness to look at and/or inability to see the evidence for the existence of God.

In a manner of speaking, since the evidence is, to put it charitably, drenched in bias.

A secondary cause is lack of interest. If one does not think they need God, why bother to look?
Yeah. Apatheism rules! :)
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
According to many atheists, there's zero evidence God actually exists.
A point that the video briefly touched on at the start is, 'What do you mean, 'God'?'

In other words, what real thing is the word 'God' intended to denote?

It took me a long time to realize that (a) that's the central question and (b) no one has an answer for it.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Atheism is not a principle.

Nor is theism. Which, in any case, is not at all a good choice of reference for political or ideological choices, as so solidly (and tragically) illustrated by hundreds of attempted theocracies past, present and (regrettably) future.


The best morality is based in Utilitarianism, or more generally consequentialism.

The best ideological principles tend to be socialistic.


That is an odd choice to answer your own questions.

Atheists don’t accept God but have man made systems brought peace and prosperity to all? It seems the rich and powerful benefit most in all man made systems but what about the rest of us?,

By discarding the idea there could be a God we are also depriving ourselves for instance of any divine system that such a God may reveal to us. What if there is a God and He revealed to us a system that is divine and free from corruption?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Atheists don’t accept God

What do you mean by that?

You say that we do not accept God, but that is hardly an accurate word to use in this context.

You might just as easily and more accurately say that we do not perceive it, do not see any need for it, or do not need to be distracted by it.

but have man made systems brought peace and prosperity to all?

They actually have. Even leaving aside the matter of whether there is any alternative, theism can hardly claim to show better ways. Quite a lot of our human problems are demonstrably direct consequences of surrender to theism.

That is not to say that theism has no place. But that place is definitely not as the lynchpin of our general systems.

It seems the rich and powerful benefit most in all man made systems but what about the rest of us?,

By discarding the idea there could be a God we are also depriving ourselves for instance of any divine system that such a God may reveal to us.

I have no idea of why you say such a thing. It is certainly not true.

What if there is a God and He revealed to us a system that is divine and free from corruption?

Then he could hardly blame humans for doing their best, now could it?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Well, the first main cause of atheism is lack of evidence, but the second main cause is the Bible. :rolleyes:
Based upon careful observation over a period of five years. ;)

And as a fully committed atheist, this is what you know?

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.


Why?

As you say, lack of evidence.

Improving methods of education over recent years, training people to actually, question, think and analyse rather than simply accepting what they were told to think.

The internet gives easy access to information that people are now more capable of analysing than ever.

Daily life knocks god belief out of many people, the unnecessary deaths and suffering that is prevalent in the world. Yes it always has been but the internet (see above) brings it to the attention of anyone with a cell phone.

Then of course, running a distant 5th is fundimentalism, i put it way down the list because it really only applies in small area's of the world, america and africa. Sure there are funnymentalists elsewhere but they are generally seen as oddballs who are welcome to get on with their beliefs but are otherwise not worthy of much notice.

Then comes the bible. I must say that the bible did play a small part in moulding my view after leaving the church i loved, but not as a reason i left. I used it as a reference work in an attempt to discover why many christians were so nasty and found the answers right there in the OT. Interestingly i had never noticed the hatred and bigotry the bible can teach to those susceptible to such teaching before i left the church.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What do you mean by that?

You say that we do not accept God, but that is hardly an accurate word to use in this context.

You might just as easily and more accurately say that we do not perceive it, do not see any need for it, or do not need to be distracted by it.



They actually have. Even leaving aside the matter of whether there is any alternative, theism can hardly claim to show better ways. Quite a lot of our human problems are demonstrably direct consequences of surrender to theism.

That is not to say that theism has no place. But that place is definitely not as the lynchpin of our general systems.



I have no idea of why you say such a thing. It is certainly not true.



Then he could hardly blame humans for doing their best, now could it?

By not accepting God I simply mean the same thing that they don’t think God exists or don’t see any need for a God.

I say that because man made systems have gotten so many things wrong. I include religious systems because no Holy Book or Prophet ever brought a system of governance for humanity until just recently.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
By not accepting God I simply mean the same thing that they don’t think God exists or don’t see any need for a God.

I say that because man made systems have gotten so many things wrong. I include religious systems because no Holy Book or Prophet ever brought a system of governance for humanity until just recently.
Do you have a way of testing or finding out how God want's you to live out your life?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
According to many atheists, there's zero evidence God actually exists.
It's because there is in fact zero evidence that would confirm any type of deity is at play. Zilch zero nada.

The only thing unfalsifiable is the ideologies and concepts from people that there is a God. That alone should raise plenty of red flags because everything else is falsifiable.

Looking out at the universe, there's plenty of proof by simply observing that there's just universe out there with completely natural processes going on.

The actual truth of the matter is overwhelming that there is nothing at all going on anywhere in the universe that would suggest any type of deity exists apart from the imaginative and creative thoughts and concepts that are rattling to and fro inside some people's heads creating that mental bunraku puppet called God.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
By not accepting God I simply mean the same thing that they don’t think God exists or don’t see any need for a God.

Really?

Why choose such a mismatched word then?

I say that because man made systems have gotten so many things wrong. I include religious systems because no Holy Book or Prophet ever brought a system of governance for humanity until just recently.
Again, you will have to clarify what you mean by that. There is no obvious answer.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
Belief in Jesus and the Gospels should be what unites all Christians.
I think you mean "Belief in Jesus and the four Gospels in the New Testament should be what unites all Christians." Given how many Gospels there are. List of Gospels - Wikipedia

Just a digression... I find it ironic that a person calling himself "loverofhumanity" should promote a god who drowns practically all of humanity...
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
According to many atheists, there's zero evidence God actually exists.

I'd say, according to almost all atheists. .

As opposed to a total lack of evidence for an Abrahamic version of God, some atheists might think there's some inconclusive or weak evidence for a higher power than man- i.e. - Salvador's God ...Right?

Salvador's God is our cosmic ancestor/cosmic ancestors whose extraterrestrial intelligence has left its/their mark in our genetic code ....as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Salvador's God is the proposed creator of our genetic code as evident in the "WOW! Signal of the Terrestrial Genetic Code" that scientists discovered back in 2012.

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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
As opposed to a total lack of evidence for an Abrahamic version of God, some atheists might think there's some inconclusive or weak evidence for a higher power than man- i.e. - Salvador's God ...Right?

Salvador's God is our cosmic ancestor/cosmic ancestors whose extraterrestrial intelligence has left its/their mark in our genetic code ....as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Salvador's God is the proposed creator of our genetic code as evident in the "WOW! Signal of the Terrestrial Genetic Code" that scientists discovered back in 2012.

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The Genetic Code is not a synonym for the Bible Code
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Really?

Why choose such a mismatched word then?


Again, you will have to clarify what you mean by that. There is no obvious answer.

I think atheists don’t believe in God for many different reasons so there’s no one fits all reason as everyone’s different. I can only speak for myself as I was once an ardent atheist but as I looked into the topic more closely I discovered I was wrong.

Just as I discovered something else I think now that atheism is a stage of search and independent investigation people go through in order to test every idea and concept rather than believe blindly which is good because we should think for ourselves and not just believe something someone says without good reason.

So atheists are encouraging people to question and think for themselves which I fully support as doing just that led me to find the truth.

However what I found is not the topic of this thread so all I’ll say is that atheism in my case was a path enabling me to find the truth.
 
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