What does the word ****** mean, I have never heard of it?
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Why is Satan the bad guy?
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What does the word ****** mean, I have never heard of it?
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> it is something like being a victim who also victimize . . .
... that is what satan stands for besides being an adversary becaused he was been decieved too and he cannot stand the true corruption of the evil one
although as they say everthing that was made since from the beginning of creation is all good
and who ever says that they are christians and anyone who believes in god and christjesus and unto the holy spirit knows this that everything is good
in the beginning of the creation within this reality of our's
and if they deny it then those proclaim themselves as what we've mention before
then they deny the very words of god from the beginning
.. . also about Prometheus
he has a similarity unto this one
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.
Woe to him that builds a town with blood, and establishes a city by iniquity!
Behold, is it not of the LORD of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Woe unto him that gives his neighbour drink, that put your bottle to him, and make him drunken also, that you may look on their nakedness!
. .. by the way
in our language the lord of host is
translated as the lord of armies and
the lord of host has a diffirent meaning . ..
as what they say
the darkness and waters are present within this reality
before God created light
for there is a truth behind the truth
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
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Altfish
Veteran Member
That's not the same logic!!
Governments are not worshipped and held to be perfect beings. (Except in North Korea)
ukok102nak
Active Member
as they say as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and correct us if we are wrong
:read:
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differs from another star in glory.
~;> as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Which things also we speak, not in the words k which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit l teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
→ so as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Or says he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that plows should plow in hope; and that he that threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope.
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
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godbless
unto all always
ukok102nak
Active Member
. . . experience is a better guide to this than finding any reasons about certain thing such as
what is holy and what is unholy ..
for some had experienced what is real and what is not
and it does not mean if it is not real
that it would be concluded immidiately
as it does not exist
certainly not cause there are things that is not real for example a fake money
and
if someone told unto anyone that
a fake money is real then its better to
believe that it exist rather accepting it as real one
as it is written
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, a being disobedient: unto which also they were appointed.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
what is holy and what is unholy ..
for some had experienced what is real and what is not
and it does not mean if it is not real
that it would be concluded immidiately
as it does not exist
certainly not cause there are things that is not real for example a fake money
and
if someone told unto anyone that
a fake money is real then its better to
believe that it exist rather accepting it as real one
as it is written Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, a being disobedient: unto which also they were appointed.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
. . . experience is a better guide to this than finding any reasons about certain thing such as
what is holy and what is unholy ..
for some had experienced what is real and what is not
and it does not mean if it is not real
that it would be concluded immidiately
as it does not exist
certainly not cause there are things that is not real for example a fake money
and
if someone told unto anyone that
a fake money is real then its better to
believe that it exist rather accepting it as real one
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, a being disobedient: unto which also they were appointed.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
Ehhhhhhhhhhh?
ukok102nak
Active Member
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
God can't handle some whiner up in Heaven, where there is no death, no suffering, etc? And John hasn't read Genesis, had a non-canon copy, or something because Satan isn't IN that story, which makes John mistaken or lying or honestly reporting a non-canon story. And doesn't an OT prophet like Isaiah or someone say God created evil? Are you calling a prophet a liar?
But realistically, a haughty person is always going to be brought down a peg by reality if nothing else. An egotistical jerk who thinks he can breathe in space will quickly find out the universe doesn't really care what he thinks.
While ignoring the texts that don't really claim what they do.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That explains it. God was North Korea.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Same old BS.
If God's will is done in heaven, then Satan can't rebel, unless God wills it. If that is the case, then God is to blame, not Satan. That little fact escapes people that harbor the need for Satan to be the wicked boogeyman. This is what happens when something like the 1611 KJV butchers the concept of Satan from the OT Hebrew, and the Church proliferates it through the use of fear and guilt trips.
I could answer your questions but I don't think you are looking for answers, are you?
Satan is sly, he gets you to commit to him. He wants your soul not your life, when you deal with Satan you are partially to blame. For some reason both God and Satan are in a battle over our souls. Lives and things aren't important to either.
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> God created evil . . .
when
thus this kind
of a thought or idea come into the mind of someone and
unto anyone who
had some experienced such as of a ghost, spirit, or similar entity
as they say
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
.. . and
where this can be found
as you've said God created evil
to be present in a place or under a particular set of conditions.
for example radon occurs naturally in rocks such as granite
or
A RARE MITOCHONDRIAL DISEASE WHICH CAUSES THE LOSS OF VISION AND BLINDNESS AMONGST MANY THAT ARE IMPACTED
for such as this never occurs
into any spirits and gods nor some godlike entities
chiefly in tropical climates
also
even whithin the proper contents of the text in the holy scriptures such as the bible
this so called
GOD CREATED EVIL is not written
so this claim of yours my sister
does not materialize in this realty of good intent or should we say a reality which is existed as an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result
in this plane of existence
or
you want to tackle this via scriptural truth
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add you not unto his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar.
when
thus this kind
of a thought or idea come into the mind of someone and
unto anyone who
had some experienced such as of a ghost, spirit, or similar entity
as they say
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
.. . and
where this can be found
as you've said God created evil
to be present in a place or under a particular set of conditions.
for example radon occurs naturally in rocks such as granite
or
A RARE MITOCHONDRIAL DISEASE WHICH CAUSES THE LOSS OF VISION AND BLINDNESS AMONGST MANY THAT ARE IMPACTED
for such as this never occurs
into any spirits and gods nor some godlike entities
chiefly in tropical climates
also
even whithin the proper contents of the text in the holy scriptures such as the bible
this so called
GOD CREATED EVIL is not written
so this claim of yours my sister
does not materialize in this realty of good intent or should we say a reality which is existed as an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result
in this plane of existence
or
you want to tackle this via scriptural truth
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add you not unto his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar.
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So how will is strong enough to break free from god?
What is wrong with envisioning and striving for something more?
ukok102nak
Active Member
. ... as it is written carefully checkevery detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abundant in mercy.
He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
He has not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Like a father pities his children, so the LORD pities them that fear him.
For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust.
As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourishes.
For the wind passes over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
:idontknow: if anyone who reads their bible has come up unto thisand if they didnt they would only be on a manner of assuming that its only the paraoh during moses time
is the one who made evil works unto the hebrew people
where
in the first place its the egyptians and the hebrews are almost the same victims of what they called a misinterpretion from one who put their own idea unto the things which is not their capability to interpret such one written testimonies without askin the very author of it
and here it is the written record of
how egypt was been decieved
so as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
and again here it is the written record of
how egypt was been decieved
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godbless
unto all always
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arthra
Baha'i
In my Faith "Satan" does not have an ontological reality... that is, he is not a being or fallen angel at war with God. We do not accept a mythological battle in heaven where the angels fought and "Satan" was cast out as in a kind of dualism between good and evil...
Here are some excerpts from Baha'i sources explaining this concept:
God has never created an evil spirit; all such ideas and nomenclature are symbols expressing the mere human or earthly nature of man. It is an essential condition of the soil of earth that thorns, weeds and fruitless trees may grow from it. Relatively speaking, this is evil; it is simply the lower state and baser product of nature.
(Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 77)
I desire for you all that you will have this great assistance and partake of this great bounty, and that in spirit and heart you will strive and endeavor until the world of war become the world of peace; the world of darkness the world of light; satanic conduct be turned into heavenly behavior; the ruined places become built up; the sword be turned into the olive branch; the flash of hatred become the flame of the Love of God and the noise of the gun the voice of the Kingdom; the soldiers of death the soldiers of life; all the nations of the world one nation; all races as one race; and all national anthems harmonized into one melody.
(Provisional Translations, Star of the West (Volume 2))
ukok102nak
Active Member
. . . indeed
and in our faith
once there was an archangel who is powerful like his brothers who was been corrupted by the evil one
and that evil one
is not satan
as satan is not the very meaning of sin as it is expected to be by ...
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Whosoever commits sin trangresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
and about this fallen archangel
as they say
how was supposedly that a powerful being
could be corrupted
and one dared to say
as it is written
:read: (as like you read a scenario )
For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart fails me.
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if you have understanding.
Who has laid the measures thereof, if you know? or who has stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
How art thou fallen from heaven , O morning star , son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground , which didst weaken the nations!
You said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ; I will sit on the mount of the congregation , in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High .
(the scenario stop's here let us continue reading)
even though everything is good before
there is so much difference between a creator and a created being
such like as a child without someone
to feed and protect: to nurture one's offspring
it cannot survive the very wilderness of the vast ocean of space
especially when the darkness is more heavier
than the light within
this very fabric of time and space
for we are not of this reality and
if someone dared to enter another realms they are bound by the very law within
that very domain
therefore
even in the very creation it was very good
in the beginning when he created heaven and earth in his own habitable part of his world which is outside of this reality
is beyond immeasurable from any imagination of his every created beings
but before the creation was
there is only darkness and waters
and
it is long after that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
and God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
that is why even up to now everyone could notice how darkness exceed light literally and spiritually
so as it is written
:read:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (not a literal day as the one we have here in this planet)
but within the creation of this reality
as it is written
:read:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
:smoke: and if anyone could notice that
there is so much diffirence about the term heaven and earth
in this reality
for if anyone says that heaven is residing within the very existence of the time and space in this universe
then all is lost coz there is no heaven in this universe
like THE HEAVEN IN THE HABITABLE PART OF THE WORLD OF OUR ALMIGHTY FATHER WITH HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ALONG WITH ALL THAT IS HOLY
:happy: as always he is like that when it comes unto a situation like this
and im saying this brethren of ours
still :smoke: is one of the greatest there is
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
and in our faith
once there was an archangel who is powerful like his brothers who was been corrupted by the evil one
and that evil one
is not satan
as satan is not the very meaning of sin as it is expected to be by ...
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Whosoever commits sin trangresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
and about this fallen archangelas they say
how was supposedly that a powerful being
could be corrupted
and one dared to say
as it is written
:read: (as like you read a scenario
)For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart fails me.
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if you have understanding.
Who has laid the measures thereof, if you know? or who has stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
How art thou fallen from heaven , O morning star , son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground , which didst weaken the nations!
You said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ; I will sit on the mount of the congregation , in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High .
(the scenario stop's here let us continue reading)even though everything is good before
there is so much difference between a creator and a created being
such like as a child without someone
to feed and protect: to nurture one's offspring
it cannot survive the very wilderness of the vast ocean of space
especially when the darkness is more heavier
than the light within
this very fabric of time and space
for we are not of this reality and
if someone dared to enter another realms they are bound by the very law within
that very domain
therefore
even in the very creation it was very good
in the beginning when he created heaven and earth in his own habitable part of his world which is outside of this reality
is beyond immeasurable from any imagination of his every created beings
but before the creation was
there is only darkness and waters
and
it is long after that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
and God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
that is why even up to now everyone could notice how darkness exceed light literally and spiritually
so as it is written
:read:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (not a literal day as the one we have here in this planet)
but within the creation of this reality
as it is written
:read:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
:smoke: and if anyone could notice that
there is so much diffirence about the term heaven and earth
in this reality
for if anyone says that heaven is residing within the very existence of the time and space in this universe
then all is lost coz there is no heaven in this universe
like THE HEAVEN IN THE HABITABLE PART OF THE WORLD OF OUR ALMIGHTY FATHER WITH HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ALONG WITH ALL THAT IS HOLY
:happy: as always he is like that when it comes unto a situation like this
and im saying this brethren of ours
still :smoke: is one of the greatest there is
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Someone had to do the job, and Satan was the best choice, and he did his job well, even better than the so called god could ever do his job, well that is what I think, even though I don't personally believe in all that rote. .
ukok102nak
Active Member
indeedhe was choosen by the evil one
to be its puppet and to put all the blamed unto him because he was once a powerful archangel like his brothers
such as this one
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you.
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
. ... by the way
did anyone here knows that even a spirit can be corrupted also by spiritsame as some humans corrupted their own kind
. ... just askin
:ty:
godbless
unto all always