Why is Satan the bad guy?

[psychoslice]

indeed
he was choosen by the evil one
to be its puppet and to put all the blamed unto him because he was once a powerful archangel like his brothers
such as this one
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you.
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

. ... by the way
did anyone here knows that even a spirit can be corrupted
same as some humans corrupted their own kind

. ... just askin


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godbless
unto all always

How do you know that a spirit can be corrupted, who told you that, and why do you believe that, or is it all just simple belief ?.

 

[ukok102nak]

v

How do you know that a spirit can be corrupted, who told you that, and why do you believe that, or is it all just simple belief ?.

one of our simple belief is this
as it is written
:read:
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

and about the spirit that can be also corrupted by a spirit
is about a certain wind that combind itself from a cold wind like hot and cold
and the one who has the very strong will
then it is the one who takes the troophy
and here is another sample
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.

see the difference between the two
but even how many times you think the wind could touch you and
you know you can can feel it too
even though you cannot touch what cant be seen
as what darkness represents from the beginning and
even before the beginning of light in this universe

by the way we are just askin
so if anyone is unfamiliar unto it nor it is a thing which is unknown to someone who has their own simple belief
still
it is a good faith to have each other's belief and if someone
who dont want to believe it
that's fine with us cuz we know that its a
good thing to ask first


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godbless
unto all always

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I could answer your questions but I don't think you are looking for answers, are you?

I did look for answers. I learned that the NT lied about Satan and that Satan is just a maligned employee for God who is doing a job nobody likes. I learned the answer to the age-old question (at least in my head): if God is so forgiving and His grace is so awesome, what's to stop Him from forgiving Satan, should the rebellion that shouldn't have even taken place occurred?

I mean, I worship the Truth. If you have to lie about someone to make them a bigger enemy and distract from your own faults, you are NOT following Truth, right? Lying even to glorify God does nothing but detract from said glory.

 

[ukok102nak]

as they say
as it is written
:read: (if anyone would like to read this
then they could read it
this writtings like as a scenario )

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
He that speaks of himself seeks his own glory: but he that seeks his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Who has woe? who has sorrow? who has contentions? who has babbling? who has wounds without cause? who has redness of eyes?
They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Look not you upon the wine when it is red, when it gives his colour in the cup, when it moves itself aright.

O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walks to direct his steps.

The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable: but the mouth of the wicked speaks perverseness.

And Jesus said, Are all of you also yet without understanding?
Do not all of you yet understand, that whatsoever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

also
And he says unto them, Are all of you so without understanding also? Do all of you not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without enters into the man, it cannot defile him;
Because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the draught, purging all meats?
(the scenario ends here ... for now )

the supper is ready so let every one eat
what they want
as long as its not human . . .


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godbless
unto all always

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Perhaps "Satan" is fulfilling the Will of YHWH and is doing exactly what YHWH intended Satan to do.

Which makes me think, why couldn't god do the job himself? I don't mean for that to sound rude, just thinking why the middle man?

 

[psychoslice]

v


one of our simple belief is this
as it is written
:read:
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

and about the spirit that can be also corrupted by a spirit
is about a certain wind that combind itself from a cold wind like hot and cold
and the one who has the very strong will
then it is the one who takes the troophy
and here is another sample
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.

see the difference between the two
but even how many times you think the wind could touch you and
you know you can can feel it too
even though you cannot touch what cant be seen
as what darkness represents from the beginning and
even before the beginning of light in this universe

by the way we are just askin
so if anyone is unfamiliar unto it nor it is a thing which is unknown to someone who has their own simple belief
still
it is a good faith to have each other's belief and if someone
who dont want to believe it
that's fine with us cuz we know that its a
good thing to ask first


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godbless
unto all always

Yes its just belief.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't believe that God actually committed or commanded all those wars, genocides and killings in the Bible. I don't view the Bible, especially the OT, as literal history. The OT was compiled over a period of centuries and reflects the polytheistic heritage of the Jews. It's basically their national mythology. You can see elements of their former Canaanite and earlier Semitic religious beliefs coming through. Many of the stories are redactions of earlier myths. Job, for example, was not a real person. The Book of Job is a form of poetry and is probably the oldest part of the Bible. It was simply a poem that explores the issue of evil and why bad things happen to good people. There was no deal between God and Satan. It's just a literary motif.

You can also see how the Jews' view of God changed throughout the OT. With Moses and Abraham and in the Book of Joshua, Yahweh is pretty stern and a harsh lawgiver. But when you get to the Prophets, we see God telling the Prophets that He does not desire sacrifice but mercy, abhors wrongdoing and a yearning for peace, charity and justice. So we can really see how their views of God evolved as they learned more about Him. I read it as a narrative of humanity's search for and journey with God, with Christ as the full Revelation of God.

As for Satan, Satan is an evil spirit who lies and deludes. Lucifer has nothing to do with this being. That was a later popular culture conflation. As I've said before, the closest to Satan in another religion is the Zoroastrian Angra Mainyu. This Promethean concept of Lucifer is mostly based on Milton's Paradise Lost and so-called "literary Satanism" from the time of the Enlightenment. It has nothing to do with what Christianity or the Bible says about Satan. Satan is never presented in a Promethean way in the Bible, and Christ is more accurately identified with Lucifer. "Lucifer" is more accurately title, not a being, anyway.

 

[EtuMalku]

Who the Hell is Satan?

Here's my understanding of this "Old Enemy" as the literary scholar Neil Forsyth coined and what I consider to be the foundation of what is called Satanism.

Obviously Satan is not the anti-Christian boogeyman created by the Judeo-Christian world, that was yesterday. He is much more than that Abrahamic name,


Satan has always existed, only under other names and guises, Satan is a powerful and primordial archetype of man's psyche . . . a meme, or what some may now call a "Godform", I think the Magus of Chaos, Peter Carroll uses that term?

This archetype is the reflection of how we perceive ourselves in relation to what we call the "others". Satan is a social and cultural phenomenon as old as the mind of humanity itself. There has always and will always, be essentially two worldviews consisting of oppositions and they are "Us & Them" or "Me" and "the rest of you" . . . etc.

Sumerian and Akkadian tablets concur this worldview from the earliest known writings, the ancient Egyptian word for an Egyptian meant "human", which excluded all who were not Egyptian to be relegated to 'non-human', the Greek word for non-Greeks was "barbaroi" (barbarians). The Jewish Essenes called anyone not an Essene "ha satan" (the adversary), Zoroastrianism set forth the dualistic "good" (what we believe in) and "evil" (what they believe in).

"A society does not simply discover its others, it fabricates them, by selecting, isolating, and emphasizing as aspect of another people's life, and making it symbolize their difference" - William Scott Green (Professor of the history of religion - ancient Judaism, biblical studies, and the theory of religion).

So, who/what is this Satan? He simply is who you are not!

IAMTHATIAMNOT
Etu Malku V° HH☿D

 

[ukok102nak]

again
as they say
as it is written
:read: (another scenario )

What? came the word l of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
( another scenario ends here . . .
for now for it really tickles now
a lot
that it tickles now ever than before )

also
as the given answer is so unreal as it is not working unto its good faith
therefore its fair enough to say a false statement was been given
coz it fail's to work in exact as what's the truth really tell behind the meaning of its true purposes
or the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists
within its own being and for the well being of others

~;> by the way
as what we've said before GOD NEVER CREATED EVIL
cuz a good spirit does not distract anyone but a being whose head is only for their stomach and not for thinking
what is good and who is cannot lie
for it hide its true intent but
Does not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his food?
With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.


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godbless
unto all always

 

[ukok102nak]

Yes its just belief.

and
as your own simple belief
simply
refuses to admit the truth or existence of
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.
such as this define a simple belief that is also known as facts

as our simple belief tell's
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true
from another one simple belief to reconsider it as a fact
and not merely just a belief made to be simple as
simply appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.

by the way
in your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here


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godbless
unto all always

 

[psychoslice]

and
as your own simple belief
simply
refuses to admit the truth or existence of
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.
such as this define a simple belief that is also known as facts

as our simple belief tell's
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true
from another one simple belief to reconsider it as a fact
and not merely just a belief made to be simple as
simply appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.

by the way
in your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what i've written here


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godbless
unto all always

Its just a belief, no proof, except for scripture which cannot be reliable, every man and his dog had a hand in changing things within the scriptures we have today, and again its all simple, unless you want to make it complicated, which the ego loves to do, just to keep itself on the path, but never arriving.

 

[ukok102nak]

Its just a belief, no proof, except for scripture which cannot be reliable, every man and his dog had a hand in changing things within the scriptures we have today, and again its all simple, unless you want to make it complicated, which the ego loves to do, just to keep itself on the path, but never arriving.

this thing has no proof
:read:
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.
such as this define a simple belief that is also known as facts

as we have said a while ago
in your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here

and what is your own simple belief
about the things that has a proof that we can consider as a fact


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godbless
unto all always

 

[psychoslice]

this thing has no proof
:read:
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.
such as this define a simple belief that is also known as facts

as we have said a while ago
in your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here

and what is your own simple belief
about the things that has a proof that we can consider as a fact


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godbless
unto all always

I don't have proof of anything that I so call believe in, I admit that, I don't try to pretend that it is true, I share it, but never do i say its the ultimate truth, for as you also, it cannot be proven, wind direction can be proven, K.I.S.S.

 

[ukok102nak]

I don't have proof of anything that I so call believe in, I admit that, I don't try to pretend that it is true, I share it, but never do i say its the ultimate truth, for as you also, it cannot be proven, wind direction can be proven, K.I.S.S.

... . and you believe in all your saying
but having without a proof
thats tickle a lot
because you just ate your own words now

by the way
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

as we provide a written scripture
to be fair
and to show what is the diffirence
between being a bias and considerate
also
as we proving every exact details in this scripture now
that this scripture is written
with an estimated time of
four thousand years more or less
and
if anyone could notice
IN THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE
that
SOMEONE HAS HANG THE EARTH
UPON NOTHING
therefore it is consider as a proop
that the written scripture is valid
and to be exact
EVERYONE KNEW NOW THAT THE EARTH IS HANGING IN SPACE BY
A INVISIBLE HAND

. ... who could thought of that


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godbless
unto all always

 

[psychoslice]

... . and you believe in all your saying
but having without a proof
thats tickle a lot
because you just ate your own words now

by the way
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

as we provide a written scripture
to be fair
and to show what is the diffirence
between being a bias and considerate
also
as we proving every exact details in this scripture now
that this scripture is written
with an estimated time of
four thousand years more or less
and
if anyone could notice
IN THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE
that
SOMEONE HAS HANG THE EARTH
UPON NOTHING
therefore it is consider as a proop
that the written scripture is valid
and to be exact
EVERYONE KNEW NOW THAT THE EARTH IS HANGING IN SPACE BY
A INVISIBLE HAND

. ... who could thought of that


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godbless
unto all always

Did you notice that I said "so called proof", not strait out proof.........of course you can find words throughout the scripture that sounds as it is predicting the future, but you can also find the same with many science fiction books that described things we have today, this is hit and miss, really means nothing.

 

[ukok102nak]

your denying now and thats not what proof stands for

as what we have said before
you just ate your own words
cause your words were meant for your
mouth only then it goes into your belly, and is cast out it into the draught of yours
not unto anybody
because your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here

we notice that before
you really dont know yourself
and thats one of our belief also
and if you dont believe us you could try to prove it with yourself

as they say
a good spirit does not distract anyone but a being whose head is only for their stomach and not for thinking
what is good and who is cannot lie
for it hide its true intent but
Does not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his food?
With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.

or you just dont read first our post
but simply believing your own belief
whithout having a proof at all

as we have showed one proof
you should show atleast proof of your belief that the written scripture and
the words use by those scientist to determined the diffirence
of every wind in this planet has
no basis or proof as what you've before


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godbless
unto all always

Did you notice that I said "so called proof", not strait out proof.........of course you can find words throughout the scripture that sounds as it is predicting the future, but you can also find the same with many science fiction books that described things we have today, this is hit and miss, really means nothing.

 

[psychoslice]

your denying now and thats not what proof stands for

as what we have said before
you just ate your own words
cause your words were meant for your
mouth only then it goes into your belly, and is cast out it into the draught of yours
not unto anybody
because your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here

we notice that before
you really dont know yourself
and thats one of our belief also
and if you dont believe us you could try to prove it with yourself

as they say
a good spirit does not distract anyone but a being whose head is only for their stomach and not for thinking
what is good and who is cannot lie
for it hide its true intent but
Does not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his food?
With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.

or you just dont read first our post
but simply believing your own belief
whithout having a proof at all

as we have showed one proof
you should show atleast proof of your belief that the written scripture and
the words use by those scientist to determined the diffirence
of every wind in this planet has
no basis or proof as what you've before


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godbless
unto all always

You say a lot, but empty words that really mean nothing, you have no proof as I also have no proof, why can't you admit that instead of going on and on with words that again mean nothing, I don't believe in the bible, so anything you quot is useless to me. My experience is that we are all One with the Cosmos, the Universe, or the Source, no need to make that complicated calling it God and believing this God is personal and wants the best for us, that to me personally is childish.

 

[ukok102nak]

did you became a witness once in your life
or you became an accuser since you learn to deny
let us give a thought for this questions
coz if we also denied all the words that you post here
for where it is written here were just your fascination from your own belief and
as no proof also
and
accept it also as a fantasy childish arguments
what will you do now
will you insist to have a trial and
atleast not with a bias prosecutors
but with a fair judge that has a good faith unto what is good and who is cannot lie

and again
this are the post that we are pertaining as a fantasy chidish arguments
:read:

How do you know that a spirit can be corrupted, who told you that, and why do you believe that, or is it all just simple belief ?.

Yes its just belief.

Its just a belief, no proof, except for scripture which cannot be reliable, every man and his dog had a hand in changing things within the scriptures we have today, and again its all simple, unless you want to make it complicated, which the ego loves to do, just to keep itself on the path, but never arriving.

I don't have proof of anything that I so call believe in, I admit that, I don't try to pretend that it is true, I share it, but never do i say its the ultimate truth, for as you also, it cannot be proven, wind direction can be proven, K.I.S.S.

Did you notice that I said "so called proof", not strait out proof.........of course you can find words throughout the scripture that sounds as it is predicting the future, but you can also find the same with many science fiction books that described things we have today, this is hit and miss, really means nothing.

:ty:



godbless
unto all always

You say a lot, but empty words that really mean nothing, you have no proof as I also have no proof, why can't you admit that instead of going on and on with words that again mean nothing, I don't believe in the bible, so anything you quot is useless to me. My experience is that we are all One with the Cosmos, the Universe, or the Source, no need to make that complicated calling it God and believing this God is personal and wants the best for us, that to me personally is childish.

 

[psychoslice]

did you became a witness once in your life
or you became an accuser since you learn to deny
let us give a thought for this questions
coz if we also denied all the words that you post here
for where it is written here were just your fascination from your own belief and
as no proof also
and
accept it also as a fantasy childish arguments
what will you do now
will you insist to have a trial and
atleast not with a bias prosecutors
but with a fair judge that has a good faith unto what is good and who is cannot lie

and again
this are the post that we are pertaining as a fantasy chidish arguments
:read:


Yes childish to you, as your belief is childish to me, its no big deal with me, I know that I don't know, but you seem to know all, again can you admit you don't know, and only have faith in that which you think you know ?.









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godbless
unto all always

 

[ukok102nak]

@ psychoslice

. ... this really tickle a lot
for it happeneds to be
that we've experienced a lot of this beliefs before
and thats a great a deal to learn to have a proof cause
its easy to deny than to prove
also
as they say
as what we've expected even i went unto the nearest store outside a while ago
its just another fantasy childish arguments
fascination from your own belief and
as no proof also
that you just post our own post to
dishonour our own belief and faith

. ... but still
its an honor to have a good faith
deep within your heart and soul
also we can have our own way by believing to what is good
and who cannot lie
with his only begotten son
along with all that is holy
that's why
we learn something
how humans cannot be perfect
and not all knowing
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.
21 Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.
22 This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroys the perfect and the wicked.
23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.
24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covers the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?
25 Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away, they see no good.
26 They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hastes to the prey.
27 If I say, I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:

... . by the way
we almost forgot that this is a
RELIGIOUS FORUM
and we are in general religious debates
and its no debate at all to argue
with a hatred on its heart and soul
so peace unto all


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godbless
unto all always