Why is Satan the bad guy?

[ShivaFan]

In my path, there are all sorts of beings and powers, including demons, but each even the most horrid can have some admirable qualities. Let us take Ravana in Hinduism. Ravana was once a Door Keeper to Heaven who essentially "fell from Heaven" and leaving the position of doorkeeper went about but eventually came to Earth at a time when Rakshasas or "demons" were here on the island of Sri Lanka and thereabouts looking for sapphires or "Shiva diamonds" viz Saiv Hiras. Now it's a very long story, Ravana even overthrew his own brother Kubera the God of Treasures (including diamonds and gemstones and wealth of commodities) who was ruling over Lanka and adopted the Rakshasas as his children.

Now many see Ravana literally as Satan. Certainly Ravan did many bad things. But at the same, He was a great Hindu scholar, a great devotee of Shiva, he was also a great musician at the vina, and while a foe of Lord Rama having kidnapped Ram's wife Devi Sita born from a deer in a fallow, yet He is also having his own temple, even devotees.

In fact, some say Ravana didn't "die" when defeated by Rama and the Monkey armies, that instead Ravan went into a coma and is held in a stone crypt in a mountain still in Lanka and will "come back to life" in the future when a drop of Ganga (Ganges river) water is sprinkled on Ravan who will then emerge to led a battle but this time for defeating an even greater challenge from the wicked and thus be a hero for "the good side" in defense of "Dharma" (Hinduism).

So a twist in the future?

But my point is, no One God is "the end game". We go about our experiences. The good and the bad. The experiences are the "thing". The idea is, one day they will not be temporary.

 

[psychoslice]

@ psychoslice

. ... this really tickle a lot
for it happeneds to be
that we've experienced a lot of this beliefs before
and thats a great a deal to learn to have a proof cause
its easy to deny than to prove
also
as they say
as what we've expected even i went unto the nearest store outside a while ago
its just another fantasy childish arguments
fascination from your own belief and
as no proof also
that you just post our own post to
dishonour our own belief and faith

. ... but still
its an honor to have a good faith
deep within your heart and soul
also we can have our own way by believing to what is good
and who cannot lie
with his only begotten son
along with all that is holy
that's why
we learn something
how humans cannot be perfect
and not all knowing
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.
21 Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.
22 This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroys the perfect and the wicked.
23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.
24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covers the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?
25 Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away, they see no good.
26 They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hastes to the prey.
27 If I say, I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:

... . by the way
we almost forgot that this is a
RELIGIOUS FORUM
and we are in general religious debates
and its no debate at all to argue
with a hatred on its heart and soul
so peace unto all


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godbless
unto all always

I hope your not pointing those angry words at me, yes this is a religious forum where we all have our own version of what we call religion, its not all about you and your particular belief system. I see all as One, that is the Cosmos, we and everything else have arisen from the Cosmos, planets, galaxy's stars and on and on.........

This to me is my religion, or what I like to call, my mystery, I see myself as a Mystic, I don't imprison myself in any beliefs, but i have to use words, and words are not that which I describe, the words point to that which I try to describe, if you see that which I point to then you will see what I am trying to say in words.

We can only know that which we know through our senses, we cannot know that which is beyond our senses, the Cosmos is so big that we as mere humans believing we know only make ourselves look silly, and ignorant.

 

[ukok102nak]

not with you but unto those
fantasy childish arguments of yours
BECAUSED WE DONT BELIEVE THAT A SINNERS ARE MEANT TO BE HATED
THAT'S WHY WE NEVER HATED THE SINNERS CAUSE WE ARE ALSO A SINNERS
BUT WE DESPISE THE THING THAT THEY CALLED SIN
MEANING LOVE YOUR ENEMY BECAUSED THE ENEMY IS NOT THE SIN
AND DESPISED THE SIN COZ IT IS NOT THE SINNERS

also
as they say
every humans has their own believe
and faith
like your belief about cosmos
is also the belief of those scientist
who put this terms that you've disregard once
:read:

Its just a belief, no proof, except for scripture which cannot be reliable, every man and his dog had a hand in changing things within the scriptures we have today, and again its all simple, unless you want to make it complicated, which the ego loves to do, just to keep itself on the path, but never arriving.

this thing has no proof
:read:
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.
such as this define a simple belief that is also known as facts

as we have said a while ago
in your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here

and what is your own simple belief
about the things that has a proof that we can consider as a fact

THAT'S THE VERY REASON
WHY WE'VE SAID
THAT YOU ATE YOUR OWN WORDS
AND YOU DONT KNOW YOURSELF
CAUSE YOU DISAGREE UNTO TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ALSO USED TO MADE THE TERM AS WHAT YOUR BELIEF TELLS YOU SUCH AS THE COSMOS


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godbless
unto all always

I hope your not pointing those angry words at me, yes this is a religious forum where we all have our own version of what we call religion, its not all about you and your particular belief system. I see all as One, that is the Cosmos, we and everything else have arisen from the Cosmos, planets, galaxy's stars and on and on.........

This to me is my religion, or what I like to call, my mystery, I see myself as a Mystic, I don't imprison myself in any beliefs, but i have to use words, and words are not that which I describe, the words point to that which I try to describe, if you see that which I point to then you will see what I am trying to say in words.

We can only know that which we know through our senses, we cannot know that which is beyond our senses, the Cosmos is so big that we as mere humans believing we know only make ourselves look silly, and ignorant.

 

[psychoslice]

not with you but unto those
fantasy childish arguments of yours
as they say
every humans has their own believe
and faith
like your belief about cosmos
is also the belief of those scientist
who put this terms that you've disregard once
:read:


this thing has no proof
:read:
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.
such as this define a simple belief that is also known as facts

as we have said a while ago
in your own simple belief
there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in what we have written here

and what is your own simple belief
about the things that has a proof that we can consider as a fact

THAT'S THE VERY REASON
WHY WE'VE SAID
THAT YOU ATE YOUR OWN WORDS
AND YOU DONT KNOW YOURSELF
CAUSE YOU DISAGREE UNTO TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ALSO USED TO MADE THE TERM AS WHAT YOUR BELIEF TELLS YOU SUCH AS THE COSMOS


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godbless
unto all always

Look, its a wast of time talking to you, I already said over and over that I have no proof, your the one acting like you know it all, come on, face it, you know nothing, just face it, it wont kill you, in fact it will make you a better person, with a more open mind.....give it a try.

 

[ukok102nak]

Look, its a wast of time talking to you, I already said over and over that I have no proof, your the one acting like you know it all, come on, face it, you know nothing, just face it, it wont kill you, in fact it will make you a better person, with a more open mind.....give it a try.

better to remind than to deny
:read:

How do you know that a spirit can be corrupted, who told you that, and why do you believe that, or is it all just simple belief ?.

one of our simple belief is this
as it is written
:read:
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

and about the spirit that can be also corrupted by a spirit
is about a certain wind that combind itself from a cold wind like hot and cold
and the one who has the very strong will
then it is the one who takes the troophy
and here is another sample
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.

see the difference between the two
but even how many times you think the wind could touch you and
you know you can can feel it too
even though you cannot touch what cant be seen
as what darkness represents from the beginning and
even before the beginning of light in this universe

by the way we are just askin
so if anyone is unfamiliar unto it nor it is a thing which is unknown to someone who has their own simple belief
still
it is a good faith to have each other's belief and if someone
who dont want to believe it
that's fine with us cuz we know that its a
good thing to ask first


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godbless
unto all always

 

[psychoslice]

better to remind than to deny
:read:



one of our simple belief is this
as it is written
:read:
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

and about the spirit that can be also corrupted by a spirit
is about a certain wind that combind itself from a cold wind like hot and cold
and the one who has the very strong will
then it is the one who takes the troophy
and here is another sample
whirlwind (=strong circular wind) that is common in hot dry parts of the US. ... a wind that blows in the same direction in which a vehicle is moving. A wind that blows directly towards a vehicle is called a headwind.

see the difference between the two
but even how many times you think the wind could touch you and
you know you can can feel it too
even though you cannot touch what cant be seen
as what darkness represents from the beginning and
even before the beginning of light in this universe

by the way we are just askin
so if anyone is unfamiliar unto it nor it is a thing which is unknown to someone who has their own simple belief
still
it is a good faith to have each other's belief and if someone
who dont want to believe it
that's fine with us cuz we know that its a
good thing to ask first


:ty:



godbless
unto all always

Yes and you don't believe what i have shared, so what, there is no one out there judging, its not a big deal, you don't own the truth and I also don't own the truth, isn't that wonderful that we have something in common ?.

 

[ukok102nak]

now its time consuming
to think the hidden message or should we say the logic behind our post
and
what a waste of time as you say and i agreed

. ... next time maybe
our elders are calling now

ciao


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godbless
unto all always

 

[ukok102nak]

:rofl: hey
your mother ship is waiting for now
and forever we tell you this
that god created all and the last creature he created is a human
cause if he created the human first then all of us now could breath in to space
and that space is outside of earth
where everything is mystery
like the very time itself
for in every planet there are diffirent time
and thats why anyone who believes in the things
outside of earth must know this now

by the way she's our brethren
and a student of ours


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godbless unto all always

 

[psychoslice]

now its time consuming
to think the hidden message or should we say the logic behind our post
and
what a waste of time as you say and i agreed

. ... next time maybe
our elders are calling now

ciao


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godbless
unto all always

arrivederci amico mio

 

[ukok102nak]

arrivederci amico mio

:rofl: hey not now
you call our sister a friend

by the way
let us give you some of this knowledge
as it is written
:read:
Bukun kami ti pareho kang iba nga ginagamit nanda ang pulong kang Dios para makakwarta. Sa baylo, bilang pinadara kang Dios kag surugoon ni Cristo, sa anang prisensya tuduk sa amun tagipusoon ang amun pagpangwali kang anang mga mensahe.


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godbless unto all always

 

[ak.yonathan]

I think it's because Satan only thinks about himself while God is willing to sacrifice Himself for the sake of others.

 

[Zigzangle]

I think it's because Satan only thinks about himself while God is willing to sacrifice Himself for the sake of others.

The Biblical god was prepared to have it 'son' killed, not its evil self, if that story has any credibility!

 

[ak.yonathan]

The Biblical god was prepared to have it 'son' killed, not its evil self, if that story has any credibility!

Right, so He was willing to sacrifice His Son. Don't you think that's noble?

 

[Zigzangle]

Right, so He was willing to sacrifice His Son. Don't you think that's noble?

Of course not that is the deed of a psycho!

 

[rusra02]

I did look for answers. I learned that the NT lied about Satan and that Satan is just a maligned employee for God who is doing a job nobody likes. I learned the answer to the age-old question (at least in my head): if God is so forgiving and His grace is so awesome, what's to stop Him from forgiving Satan, should the rebellion that shouldn't have even taken place occurred?

I mean, I worship the Truth. If you have to lie about someone to make them a bigger enemy and distract from your own faults, you are NOT following Truth, right? Lying even to glorify God does nothing but detract from said glory.

Like I said...

 

[Zigzangle]

People who claim to have the elusive 'truth' where religion is concerned are deluded.

 

[psychoslice]

:rofl: hey not now
you call our sister a friend

by the way
let us give you some of this knowledge
as it is written
:read:
Bukun kami ti pareho kang iba nga ginagamit nanda ang pulong kang Dios para makakwarta. Sa baylo, bilang pinadara kang Dios kag surugoon ni Cristo, sa anang prisensya tuduk sa amun tagipusoon ang amun pagpangwali kang anang mga mensahe.


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godbless unto all always

Sorry I don't understand that language, I only know a little Italian.

 

[ukok102nak]

Sorry I don't understand that language, I only know a little Italian.

ok i see what you mean and
. ... by the way
that language is one of those languages from those mountain people
that is ... .

but you understand this (just askin)
that the last creature he created is a human
cause if he created the human first then all of us now could breath in to space
and that space is outside of earth
where everything is mystery
like the very time itself
for in every planet there are diffirent time
and thats why anyone who believes in the things
outside of earth must know this now

do you believe it is true that humans
are the last creature to be created
in this planet also known as the planet earth (just askin again my friend)

and do you believe also
in every planet there are diffirent time
even in this very planet called earth for everything which is humans here is diffirent from it looks even those siamese twins
has diffirent DNA and each belief has their own opinion
especially the time in this planet
and to prove it to be a fact
that the time in this planet are diffirent from
one time to another
just watch your clock now then
compared it to the other state or countries

as they say
until now
it is only on the planet earth that humans can live
and no known humans are discovered that live in another galaxy
and also unto another cosmos or
shall we say that in this cosmos accordin to its defination is
the world or universe regarded as an orderly, harmonious system.
meaning
WHO regarded this cosmos as an
orderly harmonious system
when humans doesnt know all the things about it

by the way again
as you've said before
you see all as One, that is the Cosmos, we and everything else have arisen from the Cosmos, planets, galaxy's stars and on and on.........
would you consider to clarify
this mystical things
so that we may also gain some facts to reconsider about in
Why is Satan the bad guy?

just to be fair and not being bias
for that's what the OP stands for
as it is written
:read:

I just don't understand why Satan is supposed to be a baddie, but the Biblical god all that is good? The deeds attributed to god are highly unpleasant to say the least, and indicate the entity is very deranged. Although poor Satan is always slagged off, no actual misdeeds have been attributed to him.

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godbless
unto all always

 

[viole]

I think it's because Satan only thinks about himself while God is willing to sacrifice Himself for the sake of others.

You call that a sacrifice?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Sleeppy]

Satan is a personification of shortcomings, and stumbling blocks hindering progress.