Photonic
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You don't know the half of it.
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Why is there so much opposition to evolution?
- Thread starter Agnostic75
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You don't know the half of it.
Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
meogi said:
Please explain what you mean in more detail.
outhouse
Atheistically
yes Terry here n the USA it is a huge problem with 60% belief in creation due to a country brainwashed by christianity.
This problem has nothing to do with logic and reason and everything to do with how the culture raised its god fearing people who lived a great life when times were prosperous.
Take the presidency, a easy way to loose it is to claim your not a christian. Period you lost.
Every hobby forum im in has a god thread and there is a huge arguement over evolution due to theism and theism only.
I find YEC in everyday life all the time. I have a few at work now that believe on the flood and that cavemen are just people who lived outside to long.
Now matter how you slice it, it is a matter of education and the lack of. In most cases its a refusal of knowledge due to theism.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusion
Any chance you can produce a peer reviewed scientific document to back up your interpretation that it isn't?
meogi
Well-Known Member
Human social groups have always been based on authority. We always tend toward leadership and follower roles. Authority can come from many places, like violence (bullying), societal/cultural norms (laws and governance), family, and divinity. Leadership will use authority to control the followers.Agnostic75 said:
The thing about divine authority is that it is unquestionable in the eyes of the followers. Who has the right to question the all-powerful, creator of everything (including you, the follower - which is why family authority is as useful as it is)? And since what he says goes, why should you bother listening to any other authority (say, bullies or government)?
Yes, there's a lot of nuance to this, but that's the gist.
Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
meogi said:
Thanks for the clarification.
A major problem with religious books is "who correctly interprets them?" Christians have fought many wars among themselves, most recently the war between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands several decades ago.
Alceste
Vagabond
Don't you know there is no such thing, and it is only because nobody is allowed to publish any peer-reviewed research that supports MoF's conclusions?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The problem isn't scientific education. It's christian fundamentalist indoctrination that makes a sizable portion of the populace reject scientific education. It's notable that almost everything wacky that happens in the U.S. (such as GWB getting elected. Twice.) can be traced in some way to christian fundamentalism.
Terry, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE
Yeah...
We even have Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D and a top genetics researcher who writes:
As believers, you are right to hold fast to the concept of God as Creator; you are right to hold fast to the truths of the Bible; you are right to hold fast to the conclusion that science offers no answers to the most pressing questions of human existence; and you are right to hold fast to the certainty that the claims of atheistic materialism must be steadfastly resisted
Is Francis suffering from a mild case of Schizophrenia, a state characterized by the coexistence of contradictory or incompatible elements, or are abrahamic religions compatible with science?
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
You're really telling us that science teachers teach their students evolutionary theory instead of creation for fear of legal reprisals and financial ruin? That deep down we really know evolution to be false, but are too intimidated by the law and the risk to our standard of living to speak out?
MoF, we know that creationists are not over-scrupulous when it comes to distorting reality, but don't you think that even you might have overstepped here?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
While I was loking at that ... I found this... [youtube]y2gtdqbGRuU[/youtube]
Re: Is Obama the Antichrist? - YouTube
Now that is what I call a bright Girl I can't believe how she keeps a straight face...
I never knew pure blood trolls were so pretty.
Agreed. The evidence supports Creation.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
The reasons I think it is opposed boils down to:
a) ignorance of what evolution actually is (how often do we have, "I'll believe in evolutio when I see a fish turn into a cat!" kind of posts?)
b) fundamentalism and literalism
c) a perceived idea that evolution = atheism and that to accept evolution means to deny the existence of God
d) locality; some nations and religious groups may oppose it stronger than others (finding a Sikh, for example, who denies evolution is pretty surprising and weird. Finding an American Pentecostal Christian who denies it, or a Saudi Arabian Wahhabi Muslim who denies it, is less surprising)
My opinion, anyway.
a) ignorance of what evolution actually is (how often do we have, "I'll believe in evolutio when I see a fish turn into a cat!" kind of posts?)
b) fundamentalism and literalism
c) a perceived idea that evolution = atheism and that to accept evolution means to deny the existence of God
d) locality; some nations and religious groups may oppose it stronger than others (finding a Sikh, for example, who denies evolution is pretty surprising and weird. Finding an American Pentecostal Christian who denies it, or a Saudi Arabian Wahhabi Muslim who denies it, is less surprising)
My opinion, anyway.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
What's your favourite, most incontrovertible piece of evidence for the existence of god?
God's "invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceive by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship." (Romans 1:20) Arguing from effect to cause, all this we see didn't just happen. Everywhere you look, what is seen shouts: Design! Purpose! Unimaginable Intelligence, almighty power, and wisdom! (Psalms 19:1-3) With uncontrovertible logic the Bible says; "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he the constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) A person who claims a grass hut just happened would be reckened a fool or a liar. What of those who claim that all that we see had no maker?
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
Is that the argument that convinced you?
Alceste
Vagabond
For some reason when I read that with an Australian accent it becomes hilarious.
That's one of them. I also became convinced from careful Bible study that the Bible is God's word. For example, the Bible contains hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled. It is scientifically accurate (though not a science book), even though parts of it were written about 3,500 years ago, and all of it was completed almost 2,000 years ago.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
I'd willingly dispute this with you, but this is not the forum for it. If you want to start a thread in Religious Debates defending biblical prophecy, I'll happily join you there.
Really? Bats are really birds? There are "flying creeping things, which have four feet"? You're right that it's not a science book*, but where it does touch on matters pertaining to science it's sadly deficient.
*(nor a book at all, come to that, just an arbitrary compilation of ancient writings chosen by some bishops in the 4th century).