Why is there so much opposition to evolution?

[Photonic]

God's "invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceive by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship." (Romans 1:20) Arguing from effect to cause, all this we see didn't just happen. Everywhere you look, what is seen shouts: Design! Purpose! Unimaginable Intelligence, almighty power, and wisdom! (Psalms 19:1-3) With uncontrovertible logic the Bible says; "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he the constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) A person who claims a grass hut just happened would be reckened a fool or a liar. What of those who claim that all that we see had no maker?

Who constructed God?

 

[Agnostic75]

That's one of them. I also became convinced from careful Bible study that the Bible is God's word. For example, the Bible contains hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled.

Please pick one prophecy and post your evidence at the General Religious Debates forum.

 

[outhouse]

even though parts of it were written about 3,500 years ago, and all of it was completed almost 2,000 years ago.

its more like 2960 ish year ago it was started and was still being edited around 1600 years ago.

 

[rusra02]

Who constructed God?

No one. God had no beginning and will never have an end. He is the source of all life. (Psalm 36:9) Of Jehovah, Psalm 90:2 says "You have always been, and you will always be." (the Holy Bible -New Century Version) We cannot fully grasp infinity but understand the concept of space, time, numbers having no beginning nor end.
Thus the Bible calls God the "King of eternity". (1 Timothy 1:17) Revelation 4:11 calls God "the One that lives forever and ever."
God's eternity makes possible his grant of everlasting life to his obedient children. (John 17:3)

 

[outhouse]

No one. God had no beginning and will never have an end. He is the source of all life. (Psalm 36:9) Of Jehovah, Psalm 90:2 says "You have always been, and you will always be." (the Holy Bible -New Century Version) We cannot fully grasp infinity but understand the concept of space, time, numbers having no beginning nor end.
Thus the Bible calls God the "King of eternity". (1 Timothy 1:17) Revelation 4:11 calls God "the One that lives forever and ever."
God's eternity makes possible his grant of everlasting life to his obedient children. (John 17:3)

because ancient men wrote in a book what they wanted out of their deity does not make it so.

They wanted to write in its powers so it was percieved as stronger then the gods of their enemies deities.

 

[Agnostic75]

No one. God had no beginning and will never have an end. He is the source of all life. (Psalm 36:9) Of Jehovah, Psalm 90:2 says "You have always been, and you will always be." (the Holy Bible -New Century Version) We cannot fully grasp infinity but understand the concept of space, time, numbers having no beginning nor end.

Thus the Bible calls God the "King of eternity". (1 Timothy 1:17) Revelation 4:11 calls God "the One that lives forever and ever."

God's eternity makes possible his grant of everlasting life to his obedient children. (John 17:3)

You have not provided sufficient scientific evidence that a God exists, and that God is the God of the Bible. May I remind you that this is a science forum. I think that your post is better suited for the General Religious Debates forum.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

I don't get all up in arms about it, I have my beliefs and if you don't like em good for you.
I think some Theists get up in arms because they want their children to share their beliefs, like it or not,

So here's where the evolutionist says "Ya but if their beliefs were not so stupid what would it matter" they don't see it that way, but they do understand a child is likely to believe his teacher without much question.

I understand the push from both sides, but honestly if the kid growing up to something unrelated to bio what does it matter? Teach Evo in the nonmandatory classes, but that's just my opinion your entitled to yours.

 

[Tristesse]

I don't get all up in arms about it, I have my beliefs and if you don't like em good for you.
I think some Theists get up in arms because they want their children to share their beliefs, like it or not,

So here's where the evolutionist says "Ya but if their beliefs were not so stupid what would it matter" they don't see it that way, but they do understand a child is likely to believe his teacher without much question.

I understand the push from both sides, but honestly if the kid growing up to something unrelated to bio what does it matter? Teach Evo in the nonmandatory classes, but that's just my opinion your entitled to yours.

Evolution is a fact of biology, if it doesn't mesh up with someone's belief, thats not the fault of the facts. Having a nonmandistory class to teach about proper science is not how school works. should we also have a "nonmanditory"class to teach about heliocentrism for fear of offending the parents who believe the sun revolves around the earth? Of course not, that would be absurd. The same is true for evolution. Kids need to learn the best and most up to date science and not dumb it down for fear of offending someone's personal beliefs.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Who constructed God?

Construction takes time, the Abrahamic God exists outside of space-time(eg creation), therefore He has no start (or end) and lacks the need for a creator Himself.

 

[Agnostic75]

Construction takes time, the Abrahamic God exists outside of space-time(eg creation), therefore He has no start (or end) and lacks the need for a creator Himself.

What can't energy have existed eternally in a naturalistic universe?

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Evolution is a fact of biology, if it doesn't mesh up with someone's belief, thats not the fault of the facts. Having a nonmandistory class to teach about proper science is not how school works. should we also have a "nonmanditory"class to teach about heliocentrism for fear of offending the parents who believe the sun revolves around the earth? Of course not, that would be absurd. The same is true for evolution. Kids need to learn the best and most up to date science and not dumb it down for fear of offending someone's personal beliefs.

I have no need to know of evolution if I don't want to study anything in biology, and it has little effect on my daily life whether I believe it or not.

You can claim evolution is a fact, not that I'm a relativists, but when making that assertions people have a right to disagree or agree for reason they see fit, but as Descartes demonstrated all knowledge is on some level faith.

Evolution is either right or wrong, granted,that's not what I'm aruging. If someone doesn't agree with you for their personal reasons or just simply because they are unconvinced we don't need to force them to listen to our points of view,

If they want to elect officals who represent their values you can do the same.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

What can't energy have existed eternally in a naturalistic universe?

Within space-time? Sure if it floats your boat, but I'm not convinced

 

[Tristesse]

I have no need to know of evolution if I don't want to study anything in biology, and it has little effect on my daily life whether I believe it or not.

You can claim evolution is a fact, not that I'm a relativists, but when making that assertions people have a right to disagree or agree for reason they see fit, but as Descartes demonstrated all knowledge is on some level faith.

Evolution is either right or wrong, granted,that's not what I'm aruging. If someone doesn't agree with you for their personal reasons or just simply because they are unconvinced we don't need to force them to listen to our points of view,

If they want to elect officals who represent their values you can do the same.

If you take vaccines, thats evolution for ya right there. But whether you think it effects your daily life or not is irrelevant. When a child is in a science class or a math class or a history class, that kid is there to learn the best and most accurate information, and his education shouldn't suffer because little timmy's mom thinks the earth 6,000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs. It's the reason why we don't give credence to people who think the holocaust didn't happen, surely you must think their opinion is equal, right? Not all opinions are equal or valid, some people are right and other's are wrong based on the evidence. And if that offends some people, then tough. Those parents who have an issue with science can home school their kids and fill their heads with all kinds of non-sense if they like. But we can't make the education of other's suffer because of it.

 

[Agnostic75]

Of course, it is not true that all the scientists who disagree with the ToE are not in the science fields where this theory is generally accepted. But you knew that, didn't you? These are men who have examined the facts instead of drinking the ToE kool-aid, and are courageous enough to publicly make known their conclusions.

Consider the following:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publia.htm

1987: Beliefs of American earth and life scientists:

According to Newsweek in 1987:


"By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science…….”

That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms to be about 0.14%.

That means that in the study, 99.86% of experts accept naturalistic or theistic evolution. You can bet that over 95% of experts also do not believe that a global flood occurred, and believe that the earth is old.

The fact that a relative handful of Christian inerrantists who are experts in science accept creationism, the global flood theory, and the young earth theory, is not useful in debates since throughout history, some very intelligent people have believed all kinds of outlandish things that were false.

Why can't God use evolution if he wants to? Why don't you believe that God has used evolution?

93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences do not believe in a personal God, and the least represented of the sciences among the 7% who do believe in a personal God is, not surprisingly, biology.


Do you base your faith on polls? If not, why are you interested in how many Christian experts accept evolution?
Was Charles Darwin not courageous, considering that the vast majority of people initially disagreed with him?

Today, in the U.S., it would be quite courageous for a non-Christian, or a non-Jew, to try to become the President of the U.S. since at this time that would be virtually impossible due to religious bias. All of the members of the U.S. Supreme Court are Christians, and the vast majority of the members of Congress are Christians.

 

[Father Heathen]

Agreed. The evidence supports Creation.

The global scientific and academic community would disagree with your statement, and I think I trust their judgement more than I do the bumpkin underbelly of the U.S.

 

[Father Heathen]

God's "invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceive by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship." (Romans 1:20) Arguing from effect to cause, all this we see didn't just happen. Everywhere you look, what is seen shouts: Design! Purpose! Unimaginable Intelligence, almighty power, and wisdom! (Psalms 19:1-3) With uncontrovertible logic the Bible says; "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he the constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) A person who claims a grass hut just happened would be reckened a fool or a liar. What of those who claim that all that we see had no maker?

How many times must it be said? The concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Father Heathen]

God's "invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceive by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship." (Romans 1:20) Arguing from effect to cause, all this we see didn't just happen. Everywhere you look, what is seen shouts: Design! Purpose! Unimaginable Intelligence, almighty power, and wisdom! (Psalms 19:1-3) With uncontrovertible logic the Bible says; "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he the constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) A person who claims a grass hut just happened would be reckened a fool or a liar. What of those who claim that all that we see had no maker?

How many times must it be said? The concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive, and the primitive savages who wrote your ancient book of superstition and mythology most certainly didn't have a monopoly on the concept of god.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't get all up in arms about it, I have my beliefs and if you don't like em good for you.
I think some Theists get up in arms because they want their children to share their beliefs, like it or not,

So here's where the evolutionist says "Ya but if their beliefs were not so stupid what would it matter" they don't see it that way, but they do understand a child is likely to believe his teacher without much question.

I understand the push from both sides, but honestly if the kid growing up to something unrelated to bio what does it matter? Teach Evo in the nonmandatory classes, but that's just my opinion your entitled to yours.

I think understanding how life and biology work is pretty important. Keeping kids dumb just to humor their superstitions does a great disservice to them.

 

[Father Heathen]

I have no need to know of evolution if I don't want to study anything in biology, and it has little effect on my daily life whether I believe it or not.

You can claim evolution is a fact, not that I'm a relativists, but when making that assertions people have a right to disagree or agree for reason they see fit, but as Descartes demonstrated all knowledge is on some level faith.

Evolution is either right or wrong, granted,that's not what I'm aruging. If someone doesn't agree with you for their personal reasons or just simply because they are unconvinced we don't need to force them to listen to our points of view,

If they want to elect officals who represent their values you can do the same.

What if some parents want their children to be taught that the world is flat? Should the school system accommodate them?

 

[Photonic]

I have no need to know of evolution if I don't want to study anything in biology, and it has little effect on my daily life whether I believe it or not.

You can claim evolution is a fact, not that I'm a relativists, but when making that assertions people have a right to disagree or agree for reason they see fit, but as Descartes demonstrated all knowledge is on some level faith.

Evolution is either right or wrong, granted,that's not what I'm aruging. If someone doesn't agree with you for their personal reasons or just simply because they are unconvinced we don't need to force them to listen to our points of view,

If they want to elect officals who represent their values you can do the same.

You can disagree all you want, it doesn't make you correct.

Have you ever had a vaccination?