Why is this board so obsessed with restrooms?

[Rachel Rugelach]

I don't understand why they're called restrooms in America. They're toilets! It's the last place I'd go for a rest.

I'm guessing that Australians call it "the dunny" because that's where your bizznizz is dun?

 

[icehorse]

All you're doing is being a transphobe and trying to tell ua you aren't.

It appears that what you're doing is being a misogynist and trying to tell us you aren't.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It appears that what you're doing is being a misogynist and trying to tell us you aren't.

By pointing out bigots hide their bigotry behind the guise of protecting women amd children?

 

[icehorse]

You keep intimating that you're being bullied, but you're not being bullied. Maybe ask a trans woman what it's like to be bullied.

Well it's not like your slurs and bullying are actually being effective. And certainly it's not like being psychically bullied in person, but that's not the point. The point is that if you have a strong argument, you shouldn't have to resort to slurs.

 

[Stevicus]

The picture of the trough urinal above was from Wrigley Field, and I found this article about one of the nation's leading urinalists: The Nation’s Leading Urinalists Speaks | Waterless Co Inc.

According to Huppke, the new owners of the ballpark wanted to keep the traditional urinal experience alive at Wrigley, so they installed “trough” urinals. This type of urinal has been used here and in many other ballparks, schools, correctional facilities, bus stations, and other locations around the country for decades.

But before deciding to keep them, the new owners of the ballpark wanted to make sure if this is what the fans really wanted. What they did is conduct a survey and found that older men have no problems with what he calls the “communal nature” of the troughs.

Says Julian Green, a Cubs spokesperson, “What we found is that our older male fans not only have no problems with the troughs but [they believe] its part of enjoying the game.”

 

[icehorse]

I always wonder why everyone focuses on women's safety in the restroom, but never men's. Men can be assaulted in the bathroom, too. (Had ongoing problems with that with one of my sons in school.) And, women sometimes assault one another in the bathroom as well. Its not unheard of.

I'm sincerely trying (and failing), to understand this argument.

What it sounds like you're saying amounts to "we shouldn't worry if the rates of assaults on women go up because men also get assaulted".

Is that really your argument? I must have misunderstood you?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't understand why they're called restrooms in America. They're toilets! It's the last place I'd go for a rest.

Stupid, dumb, out dated, moronic, immature American Puritan modesty.

 

[icehorse]

By pointing out bigots hide their bigotry behind the guise of protecting women amd children?

No, by constantly dodging the question of why you think it's okay for women's rest rooms and locker rooms and safe houses to become less safe.

Why don't you just focus on that question, and stop with the slurs?

 

[John53]

I'm guessing that Australians call it "the dunny" because that's where your bizznizz is dun?

I didn't know where it came from but found this. Could be right, I don't know.

dunny


A toilet. The dunny was originally any outside toilet. In cities and towns the pan-type dunny was emptied by the dunny man, who came round regularly with his dunny cart. Dunny can now be used for any toilet. The word comes from British dialect dunnekin meaning an 'earth closet, (outside) privy' from dung + ken 'house'. First recorded in the 1930s but dunnekin is attested in Australian sources from the 1840s.

 

[anna.]

Well it's not like your slurs and bullying are actually being effective. And certainly it's not like being psychically bullied in person, but that's not the point. The point is that if you have a strong argument, you shouldn't have to resort to slurs.

What slur did I use? How did I bully you? Please inform me.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

No, by constantly dodging the question of why you think it's okay for women's rest rooms and locker rooms and safe houses to become less safe.

Complex question fallacy: Complex question - Wikipedia

 

[icehorse]

What slur did I use? How did I bully you? Please inform me.

Anna, I owe you an apology! It was @Ella S. , not you.

so sorry!

 

[icehorse]

Complex question fallacy: Complex question - Wikipedia

Right! So you're saying that it's not the most basic common sense that letting men into women-only safe spaces will make those spaces less safe? Got it!

 

[anna.]

Anna, I owe you an apology! It was @Ella S. , not you.

so sorry!

No problem. Just wondered.

@icehorse Edited to add: I went back and read the post by @Ella S. and I fail to see how Ella S. is bullying you.

You've brought up being bullied so many times I've lost count. Are you actually being bullied, or are people meeting you tone for tone?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, by constantly dodging the question of why you think it's okay for women's rest rooms and locker rooms and safe houses to become less safe.

Why don't you just focus on that question, and stop with the slurs?

Im not the one claiming men be let in. That's been you saying that's what's happening.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Right! So you're saying that it's not the most basic common sense that letting men into women-only safe spaces will make those spaces less safe? Got it!

I'm saying:

1). Common sense is not always consistent or coherent.

2). You assume that letting trans women into cis women places will make the places less safe, but without proving this before presenting your question to others on it. Such a practice can sometimes lead to a premise which is untrue. And when the question is framed certain ways, it's like trying to get people to "agree" with the premise just by answering the question. Example of such a question: "How did it go when you went to the restaurant today?" when the person may, or may not, have gone to the restaurant. But to answer it implies they went to the restaurant.

 

[Stevicus]

I didn't know where it came from but found this. Could be right, I don't know.

dunny


A toilet. The dunny was originally any outside toilet. In cities and towns the pan-type dunny was emptied by the dunny man, who came round regularly with his dunny cart. Dunny can now be used for any toilet. The word comes from British dialect dunnekin meaning an 'earth closet, (outside) privy' from dung + ken 'house'. First recorded in the 1930s but dunnekin is attested in Australian sources from the 1840s.

You know that some Americans also refer to it as "the John." I'm not sure how that ever came about.

 

[JustGeorge]

I'm sincerely trying (and failing), to understand this argument.

What it sounds like you're saying amounts to "we shouldn't worry if the rates of assaults on women go up because men also get assaulted".

Is that really your argument? I must have misunderstood you?

I'm not really arguing.

I just think everyone should be safe when they pee.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Wow, I actually made it through watching Ana Kasparian for 2:14 ... that has got to be a record.

Ana ignored, the lady in the bathroom should be arrested. You can't or shouldn't be able to do that to people.
I am pretty sure @icehorse would not be supportive of this nut-cases behaviour either.

I know what you mean about Ana Kasparian. Cheers to you for sticking it out!

And, yes, the bathroom bully should be arrested, but at least the security guard made her leave the premises.

I don't know whether @icehorse would or would not be supportive of this nut-case behavior (as you suggested). I only know that he keeps defensively insisting that somehow there is (or is about to be) an apocalyptic attack on women in women's restrooms. I'm betting that a search will reveal that, statistically, more transgendered people are (and have been) under attack. Also, people mistaken for being transgendered, as shown in the video I posted.

The national hysteria over public restrooms is getting to the level of villagers-with-torches-and-pitchforks.

 

[icehorse]

Im not the one claiming men be let in. That's been you saying that's what's happening.

If you're apologizing for the trans activists, that's one of the things you're supporting. I'd be happy to hear that there are ideas within the trans activist playbook that you disagree with.