Why Islam makes more sense conceptually of all the Abrahamic faiths

[Faithofchristian]

Very controversial topic and for the record, this is not to devalue Judaism or Christianity considering both have important roots from within Islam. This subject is purely my opinion based on the ten plus years of study of Islam, philosophy and its metaphysics.

Without getting into a scriptural debate since this subject is not about debating scripture I’d rather focus on some important points that would make Islam more of a middle and moderate belief system a few points about God:

1) Allah, or God in the Islamic perception is seen as the God of humanity. Although in Jewish philosophy Ha’Shem or YHVH is considered “Master of the World” as I was told, historically and even some of the orthodox lectures from Rabbis seem to present God as centralized to a specific people as opposed to the species of humankind. Allah is one, the Creator of all planets and galaxies. Allah is the Lord of all of the things that existence and that doesn’t and that is in between.

2) Allah like Ha’Shem, is genderless. God is not human and unlike Christianity, God does not need to transform into a human being to save mankind. However, unlike Judaism Islam does not demand 600 plus laws upon individuals, rather the basic minimum for a believer. Islam requires all human beings to respect each other and respect living beings and creatures.

Regarding Study

Averroes once implied in his lectures that Islam imparts the obligation for all believers to question and examine reality for God’s existence. Without simply blindly denying God, one must examine the processes of how things perform and then and only then one will find God’s handiwork.

Regarding Ethics

Unlike Christianity, there is no original sin, therefore, whatever sins you accumulate are of your own doing and of your own soul. Unlike Judaism to be pious one does not need to observe additional laws to conduct oneself although there are sayings in which are suggestive in emulating Muhammad the prophet, these sayings are variant opinions based on the ideas and research from Islamic scholars.

On good and evil Allah is the author of both. Good and evil either come about by individual action, independent action (such as neutral good and evil-that is, actions that result in good and evil are independent of action by the individual for example a tornado that destorys a house and kills a family is independent of human action but can be perceived as bad or evil based on the suffering and or/death). Then there is Allah purposefully inflicting bad things happen to affect and challenge your faith.

The acceptance of prophets

Islam requires the recognition of all prophets from all nations. That means even not mentioned in scripture, if historically one finds monotheistic prophets from different parts of the world one can infer via study, one can study the potential of various prophets that aren’t mentioned in scriptures.

Although this is an opinion, this brief synopsis has shown some important examples.

It's evidence that you have no clue or idea, Why God came down here in the body of flesh of Jesus Christ.

For what reason did God come down here, What did mankind do, that caused God to come down here ?

The Qu'ran does not teach this and why not, if the Qu'ran is so important.

 

[shunyadragon]

Actually the Wahabbi and the Salafi Muslims have violent elements but I do not agree that most Muslims are hateful. "Conceptually", Islamic ideas please me, but some take it too far, making it excusable to call people Infidel, or Kafir. I find their solution to the question about Jesus Christ to be really questionable. They see him as the best Prophet, and sent by Allah SWT, but not his Son.

As in the Baha'i Faith the station of Jesus Christ may be that of the Spiritual 'Son of God' in Islam, not physical, as described by the concept of the Messiah 'Son of God' in the Old Testament.

That's the reason why today I think of myself as an Abrahamic Religionist. Islam has some areas that do not get a pass, but so does the rather extreme Evangelical Christianity that I came from. They regularly violated the spirit of what Jesus Christ said and did. It feels really odd, because in some areas, Islam copies Judaism.

I believe that the progressive Revelation and the spiritual evolution of humanity is a better conceptual view that reflects the realty of the relationship of the different religions of the world as stages in the spiritual evolution. No religion including the Baha'i Faith is 'conceptually' complete as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. That is why no onreligion ever gets a pass and ultimately has to give way to the future spiritual evolution of humanity.

 

[shunyadragon]

It's evidence that you have no clue or idea, Why God came down here in the body of flesh of Jesus Christ.

For what reason did God come down here, What did mankind do, that caused God to come down here ?

The Qu'ran does not teach this and why not, if the Qu'ran is so important.

That would be true if the claims of traditional Christianity being true, but unfortunately it remains rooted in the mythology of the Fall and Original Sin of mythical Genesis. This too must pass as all ancient mythology.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That would be true if the claims of traditional Christianity being true, but unfortunately it remains rooted in the mythology of the Fall and Original Sin of mythical Genesis. This too must pass as all ancient mythology.

Have you any idea or clue as to who it was that committed the original sin. It sure wasn't Adam and Eve either.

 

[shunyadragon]

Have you any idea or clue as to who it was that committed the original sin. It sure wasn't Adam and Eve either.

Regardless of who supposedly committed the Original Sin and caused the Fall, it originated in the mythology of Genesis and in Traditional Christianity over the millennia it was Adam and Eve, It is possible a later day version describes it differently, such as some point in the distant past, but as far as the Roman Church, Orthodox Church, and the major Protestant churches teach it was Adam and Eve. The Fall of humanity based on the first sin by unfortunate fallible humans that carry the original guilt is the foundation of the belief,

 

[Faithofchristian]

Regardless of who supposedly committed the Original Sin and caused the Fall, it originated in the mythology of Genesis and in Traditional Christianity over the millennia it was Adam and Eve, It is possible a later day version describes it differently, such as some point in the distant past, but as far as the Roman Church, Orthodox Church, and the major Protestant churches teach it was Adam and Eve. The Fall of humanity based on the first sin by unfortunate fallible humans is the foundation of the belief,

Nope, the original sin happen way before the book of Genesis was written .and way before mankind came to be.

 

[shunyadragon]

Nope, the original sin happen way before the book of Genesis was written .and way before mankind came to be.

You view is interesting and creative, but it does not reflect the tradition Christian belief of 90%+ of Christians in history.

Needs further explanation.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You view is interesting and creative, but it does not reflect the tradition Christian belief of 90%+ of Christians in history.

Needs further explanation.

I don't go by the tradition of Christianity, seeing they have no idea or clue themselves. As to who committed the original sin.

You do know that Christ Jesus himself condemn the tradition of man's

But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:3.

Matthew 15:7-9
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

This is exactly what Christianity does. Teaching the doctrines and teachings of men

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't go by the tradition of Christianity, seeing they have no idea or clue themselves. As to who committed the original sin.

You do know that Christ Jesus himself condemn the tradition of man's

But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:3.

Matthew 15:7-9
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men

It is too difficult to deal with any one of thousands of splinter minority views of a religious belief system regardless of the religion, I have to deal with the reality of the religions as they believe, teach, and live their beliefs in the real contemporary world, and not vague conceptual hypothetical views that do not reflect reality..

 

[Faithofchristian]

It is too difficult to deal with any one of thousands of splinter minority views of a religious belief system regardless of the religion, I have to deal with the reality of the religions as they believe.

It's not what Christians believe, it's what Christians are told by their Pastor's, preachers.
If Christians paid more attention to what Christ Jesus will say, As Christians do with their Pastor's Preachers, they might come to a deeper understanding about what the Bible is actually about.

 

[shunyadragon]

It's not what Christians believe, it's what Christians are told by their Pastor's, preachers.

Despite your assertions it is what Christians believe regardless of whether they are taught these beliefs by one of many versions of whatever is taught.and how they learned. These conclusions may result by simply reading the words of Paul.

If Christians paid more attention to what Christ Jesus will say, As Christians do with their Pastor's Preachers, they might come to a deeper understanding about what the Bible is actually about.

The problem I face is compounded by your assertions of independently knowing the truth, and all other Christians do not. There are so many splinter claims such as this it is unreasonable to respond coherently to any one over the others.

What is the Bible truly about?!?? Why should I believe you over thousands of conflicting claims to 'know?'

Again . . . I have to deal with the reality of the religions as they believe, teach, and live their beliefs in the real contemporary world, and not vague conceptual hypothetical views that do not reflect reality. I have the same problem with other unrealistic conceptual constructions to dodge reality.

 

[Ellen Brown]

It's evidence that you have no clue or idea, Why God came down here in the body of flesh of Jesus Christ.

For what reason did God come down here, What did mankind do, that caused God to come down here ?

The Qu'ran does not teach this and why not, if the Qu'ran is so important.

Epic Beard Man: Judaism came first, I think around 1821 BC at the time of Moses. (Musa to you).

Later at around 30 AD, Christianity started with the death of Jesus the Christ.

Then came Islam around the 7th Century. Lately it seems clear to me that true, the best Islam ended with the death of Muhammad. PBUH

 

[Faithofchristian]

The problem I face is compounded by your assertions of independently knowing the truth, and all other Christians do not. There are so many splinter claims such as this it is unreasonable to respond coherently to any one over the others.

What is the Bible truly about?!?? Why should I believe you over thousands of conflicting claims to 'know?'

Again . . . I have to deal with the reality of the religions as they believe, teach, and live their beliefs in the real contemporary world, and not vague conceptual hypothetical views that do not reflect reality. I have the same problem with other unrealistic conceptual constructions to dodge reality.

If other Christians paid as much attention to Christ Jesus as they do their Pastor's Preachers they might get some where.

The Bible is actually written to God's elect and the very elect.
This is the reason people can not put things together in the bible.only God's elect and the very elect will understand the bible

 

[Spiderman]

Actually the Wahabbi and the Salafi Muslims have violent elements but I do not agree that most Muslims are hateful. "Conceptually", Islamic ideas please me, but some take it too far, making it excusable to call people Infidel, or Kafir. I find their solution to the question about Jesus Christ to be really questionable. They see him as the best Prophet, and sent by Allah SWT, but not his Son.

That's the reason why today I think of myself as an Abrahamic Religionist. Islam has some areas that do not get a pass, but so does the rather extreme Evangelical Christianity that I came from. They regularly violated the spirit of what Jesus Christ said and did. It feels really odd, because in some areas, Islam copies Judaism.

Ellen,
I doubt you like flattery!

But you sound like the most awesome Muslim EVER!!!



Okay, i know you aren't describing yourself as Muslim, but you seem quite infatuated with Muhammad (peace be upon him), and quite Muslim in many ways.

How can you still approve of psychopathic, graphic tortures and disfigurements in the Qur'an??

If Muhammad was such a great guy, or prophet of God, why did he describe graphic tortures, mutilation, and disfigurements for his enemies,( that i would not do to a terrorist who raped and tortured my whole family to death.)

Sure, I want all terrorists dead, quickly put out of their misery, but not tortured and mutilated!

How could Allah want talk of cutting off hands and feet in his "holy book".

Some Muslims act out those sick fantasies!

How can you not say, "THAT'S F***** UP!!!"

 

[Thief]

Very controversial topic and for the record, this is not to devalue Judaism or Christianity considering both have important roots from within Islam. This subject is purely my opinion based on the ten plus years of study of Islam, philosophy and its metaphysics.

Without getting into a scriptural debate since this subject is not about debating scripture I’d rather focus on some important points that would make Islam more of a middle and moderate belief system a few points about God:

1) Allah, or God in the Islamic perception is seen as the God of humanity. Although in Jewish philosophy Ha’Shem or YHVH is considered “Master of the World” as I was told, historically and even some of the orthodox lectures from Rabbis seem to present God as centralized to a specific people as opposed to the species of humankind. Allah is one, the Creator of all planets and galaxies. Allah is the Lord of all of the things that existence and that doesn’t and that is in between.

2) Allah like Ha’Shem, is genderless. God is not human and unlike Christianity, God does not need to transform into a human being to save mankind. However, unlike Judaism Islam does not demand 600 plus laws upon individuals, rather the basic minimum for a believer. Islam requires all human beings to respect each other and respect living beings and creatures.

Regarding Study

Averroes once implied in his lectures that Islam imparts the obligation for all believers to question and examine reality for God’s existence. Without simply blindly denying God, one must examine the processes of how things perform and then and only then one will find God’s handiwork.

Regarding Ethics

Unlike Christianity, there is no original sin, therefore, whatever sins you accumulate are of your own doing and of your own soul. Unlike Judaism to be pious one does not need to observe additional laws to conduct oneself although there are sayings in which are suggestive in emulating Muhammad the prophet, these sayings are variant opinions based on the ideas and research from Islamic scholars.

On good and evil Allah is the author of both. Good and evil either come about by individual action, independent action (such as neutral good and evil-that is, actions that result in good and evil are independent of action by the individual for example a tornado that destorys a house and kills a family is independent of human action but can be perceived as bad or evil based on the suffering and or/death). Then there is Allah purposefully inflicting bad things happen to affect and challenge your faith.

The acceptance of prophets

Islam requires the recognition of all prophets from all nations. That means even not mentioned in scripture, if historically one finds monotheistic prophets from different parts of the world one can infer via study, one can study the potential of various prophets that aren’t mentioned in scriptures.

Although this is an opinion, this brief synopsis has shown some important examples.

I just posted a reminder of an incident.....
a woman losing her head to a sword......
wielded by a Muslim believer

the police were there.....but they must have been believers too

want your daughters subject to such things?

 

[Spiderman]

I just posted a reminder of an incident.....
a woman losing her head to a sword......
wielded by a Muslim believer

the police were there.....but they must have been believers too

want your daughters subject to such things?

Honestly, Im okay losing my head to a sword.

That is kind compared to what Muslims sometimes do to people, and kind compared to what tortures and disfigurements Muhammad wrote about in the Qur'an!

 

[shunyadragon]

If other Christians paid as much attention to Christ Jesus as they do their Pastor's Preachers they might get some where.

The Bible is actually written to God's elect and the very elect.
This is the reason people can not put things together in the bible.only God's elect and the very elect will understand the bible

Did not respond to the problem.

Do you consider yourself the only and very elect?

 

[shunyadragon]

Epic Beard Man: Judaism came first, I think around 1821 BC at the time of Moses. (Musa to you).

Later at around 30 AD, Christianity started with the death of Jesus the Christ.

Then came Islam around the 7th Century. Lately it seems clear to me that true, the best Islam ended with the death of Muhammad. PBUH

According to the Bible Judaism is older than Moses. Moses came along to set thing right and restore God's law and absolute Monotheism.

Traditional Christianity today should listen to Moses, and ditch their Tritheism, incarnate God, and ditch the statues and idols.

 

[Ellen Brown]

If other Christians paid as much attention to Christ Jesus as they do their Pastor's Preachers they might get some where.

The Bible is actually written to God's elect and the very elect.
This is the reason people can not put things together in the bible.only God's elect and the very elect will understand the bible

Having survived reading Shakespeare, I find the KJV of the Bible to be simple and have been reading it for more than 40 years. Anyone who tells me that I can not understand the Bible has got trouble on their hands. Jesus said himself that believers are his Brothers (and Sisters), what more do you want?

 

[shunyadragon]

I just posted a reminder of an incident.....
a woman losing her head to a sword......
wielded by a Muslim believer

the police were there.....but they must have been believers too

want your daughters subject to such things?

Like Christianity in the Crusades?
, , , or I might jog your memory of more atrocities by Christians against those who believe differently even between different churches like in Ireland. There are no angels among fallible humans.