Why isn't God a lair?

[Emp-Naval]

So I was fooling around at work, and suddenly I had a thought...

I'm an atheist, but for the sake of the argument, assume the existence of a god.

What if God -anyone of them- is actually a liar? What if he is lying about everything, what if he is going to send us all to hell regardless? -I'm having an Abrahamic god in mind in case you were wondering, but it pretty much applies to any god-

We don't have anyone's word on his honesty, but his. Isn't it naive to follow someone blindly, and devote your life to his servitude with no guarantee what so ever he will keep his word.

You can't argue that he is a perfect being, and perfect beings don't lie. Because the only way you know he is perfect is also, what a shock, his own word for it...

Your thoughts please.

 

[Sleeppy]

Live your life; how much of your life is a lie?

 

[Emp-Naval]

We've got our self a smart*** here... Thank you for you insignificant contribution to this thread, we couldn't have lived without it...

I love my self when I'm being an *** =]

 

[Thana]

Sure, I won't lie, There is a lot of trust one puts in God. We have faith that He has our best interests at heart. But I've never once doubted His love and sincerity.

You can't lie about love, And He loves us and we love Him. So no, there is no blind devotion or naivety about it, He is what He is. Once you know Him, You cannot deny His perfection and love.

 

[Emp-Naval]

And you know about his love and sincerity how exactly?

The bottom line is, we trust that guy without giving it a second thought... He might be one big jerk who likes to screw with us...

As for you can't fake love, are you for real? Look around you, how many fools are in relationships where they think they are loved while they are actually being fooled... This is naivety, of the worst kind >.>

 

[Thana]

And you know about his love and sincerity how exactly?

The bottom line is, we trust that guy without giving it a second thought... He might be one big jerk who likes to screw with us...

As for you can't fake love, are you for real? Look around you, how many fools are in relationships where they think they are loved while they are actually being fooled... This is naivety, of the worst kind >.>

I understand where you're coming from, I do, But there are just some things you know. And without a doubt, I know God is loving. He loves us all.

It's just something you have to test and figure out for yourself, So I get why you wouldn't believe it. But I think this comes down to the fundamental differences between theists and atheists, and isn't really anything new

 

[jimniki]

Dude, you're calling him a "He" ... You're humanising him like all the religious people are...

Why does everyone call him a "He". Does he need male genitals to reproduce?

People call him a "He" because it was men who wrote about god.
And we all know how insignificant women were regarded back then.

So all you female religious types, please stop professing your will to be dominated.

 

[Emp-Naval]

Well, I hoped no one will conclude that this fast... Because to be honest, I really wanted to chew on this subject a little...

I can happily say that I once was a believer, a real one not those who barely have anything with religion but the label... I was obedient, I followed the instructions as much as I could, and felt the guilt when I didn't...

Now looking back at that time, slightly more than a year ago, I can't say that I felt much loved... In the matter of fact, what kept me in was fear... Not love...

As for you just feeling it... Well.. Although there isn't much to say here, because it's a completely subjective experience, I can say that people with schizophrenia "just hear the voices" and it's as much real to them as your god's love to you, dare I say even more real...

I'm not saying that religious people are mentally ill, I'm saying that we classify the same thing under two different labels... Which is somewhat hypocritical if I may say so...

 

[Thana]

Dude, you're calling him a "He" ... You're humanising him like all the religious people are...

Why does everyone call him a "He". Does he need male genitals to reproduce?

People call him a "He" because it was men who wrote about god.
And we all know how insignificant women were regarded back then.

So all you female religious types, please stop professing your will to be dominated.

I call Him a He because I'm not going to call Him an It. Even though that may be more accurate, I call Him a He out of respect. He is my father. But He is not male or female, He's a spiritual being. He has no gender.

You're making assumptions that are very misinformed.

 

[Katzpur]

A lair is a wild animal's den, and I don't think God is one.

 

[Koldo]

You can't lie about love...

I love you.

 

[Emp-Naval]

Dude, you're calling him a "He" ... You're humanising him like all the religious people are...

Why does everyone call him a "He". Does he need male genitals to reproduce?

People call him a "He" because it was men who wrote about god.
And we all know how insignificant women were regarded back then.

So all you female religious types, please stop professing your will to be dominated.

well jimniki... you sound like a feminist... Weird people you are, I mean I'm all for equality, total equality in all things, but you are pushing too far, it's like you want the world to turn around, and by that I mean for the males to be treated as inferior -as opposed to what is happening now-, that is just wrong...

For why is she referring to her god as "him" instead of "her", that is just english, and history... Some languages -including english- tend to give the unknown a male pronoun, so don't go crazy about that. And she is a christian, so yes, her god happens to be a male -for whatever reason that is-...

I do agree though that most probably Gods were regarded as males, rather than females, in the human history, because patriarchy was the thing through out history -which some extreme feminists suggest it should be "her"story-...

 

[Madhuri]

The question is whether or not God is a liar.
My answer is that there's no way to actually know. I guess that could be true, as anything could be true. So avoid following anything blindly- just do what you think is right and maybe it doesn't matter if God is or isn't lying. What he does is beyond our knowledge or control.

 

[Madhuri]

He is my father.

In what way is he a father as opposed to a mother?

 

[Thana]

Well, I hoped no one will conclude that this fast... Because to be honest, I really to chew on this subject a little...

I can happily say that I once was a believer, a real one not those who barely have anything with religion but the label... I was obedient, I followed the instructions as much as I could, and felt the guilt when I didn't...

Now looking back at that time, slightly more than a year ago, I can't say that I felt much loved... In the matter of fact, what kept me in was fear... Not love...

As for you just feel it... Well.. Although there isn't much to say here, because completely subjective experience, I can say that people with schizophrenia "just hear the voices" and it's as much real to them as your god's love to you, dare I say even more real...

I'm not saying that religious people are mentally ill, I'm saying that we classify the same thing under two different labels... Which is somewhat hypocritical if I may say so...

I understand, But then again, I don't exactly believe that schizophrenia or mental illness is merely natural.

It's an interesting debate nonetheless.. I hope others provide you with better answers

 

[Emp-Naval]

A lair is a wild animal's den, and I don't think God is one.

ha bloody ha... I corrected it >.>

 

[raw_thought]

Everyone thinks an omniscient, omnipotent being must share our morals. They use evil as proof against such a being. However, it is just as likely that God is evil or simply doesn't care about us. Do you care about an ant you walk by. You would not kill it or help it. Its so insignificant who cares. Perhaps God feels the same about us.
Sometimes I think we were created to teach God morality. An omniscient and all powerful being will not have ethics because it cannot understand finite things such as altruism, ( God can never self sacrifice because he always wins).
Perhaps the incarnation can be seen as God tapping into finite power. God became man so he could experience courage etc.
Actually I am an agnostic. But I think speculations facilitate understanding.

 

[Sleeppy]

We've got our self a smart*** here... Thank you for you insignificant contribution to this thread, we couldn't have lived without it...

I love my self when I'm being an *** =]

Except, you're the one being ignorant. My response is an actual answer to your question... --- Also, it should be spelled LIAR, not lair.

 

[Thana]

In what way is he a father as opposed to a mother?

Well, I'm not saying He's not a mother, But He's my Father because that is a term of respect, Same as calling Him Lord or King.

Matthew 23:9 - And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

 

[Emp-Naval]

The question is whether or not God is a liar.
My answer is that there's no way to actually know. I guess that could be true, as anything could be true. So avoid following anything blindly- just do what you think is right and maybe it doesn't matter if God is or isn't lying. What he does is beyond our knowledge or control.

Yes it does!!!

If I'm to spend my years on earth wasting them on some one's bedding I want something in return... If he is lying about it, then I spent my life on nothing...

In organised religion -which I don't think you follow any- you have instructions, you abide by the instructions, no matter how odd they might sound, because hey, god knows better... So it's -for the majority of religious people on earth- not about doing what is right, but doing what they are told is right...