Why it's easier to be a creationist than an atheist

[Spiderman]

I believe that the Universe was created out of some super-natural process and that a close scientific study of the Universe will reveal some of the signs of that birth like the Universe's belly button which we now call the Big Bang.

Am I the first person to see a sexual connotation to the term Big Bang?

The funny thing is...by super-natural, I mean, completely natural process of complex, adaptive system creatively forming an emergent order out of the behavior of interacting parts that are partially not part of (therefore "super") the natural activity contained within this Universe.

Yes, the big bang may have been the result of God having an orgasm

 

[Spiderman]

Are you aware that theists have no need (and frankly, no good reason) to be creationists?

We do if we are unable to believe that matter could exist to the point of human beings, civilizations, and technology existing without the help of a higher power, supernatural entity, that was working with the mechanisms of science, rather than the matter existing from scientific mechanisms and big bang alone

 

[Spiderman]

I never got why the bible put god being unknowable yet talk about the machinations of god in the same book. No one here knows what god's plan is at all let alone if god ever had a plan. They presume there to be one, because they want to believe that there is one and that they are part of it. We are sociable creatures after all. Wanting something to be true does not make it the truth no matter how hard you want it to be that way. God to me is an excuse to think less and hope for the best outcome, when being proactive leads to the best outcome. Anyone letting god take the reins of their lives is doomed to failure.

I think the Bible is stupid and am totally open to the possibility that it is false

 

[Spiderman]

Actually? That one has been pretty much debunked, and quite thoroughly too.

Solar Miracle of Fatima

The Lady of Fátima & the Miracle of the Sun

The Miracle of Fatima

Fatima: miracle, ...

Notebook: These are a selected few, from approximately 11,000 results, the majority of which came from religious sites also debunking the "event", including the Vatican. (I did not include any of those for... reasons. )

The event hasn't been debunked..

Countless communists, freemasons, and atheists converted over what they saw.

People think it has been debunked because nothing actually happened to the sun. It was a vision given to those people. A miracle, a sign, was promised at a time and place, and thousands of people showed up to speak about the miracle.

The prophecies of the rise of communism in Russia, the spreading of communism throughout the world, and the coming of World War 2 all came true as the children predicted.

This has also baffled scientists
Our Lady of Guadalupe ‘completely beyond' scientific explanation, says researcher

God has provided signs...people ignore it

 

[Spiderman]

When you state your belief that god is the creator a moment it wasn't there then it just was? that's called something from nothing. I really can't reiterate it enough that we don't think something comes from nothing. That's what magic is IE god stuff.

So silicon, iron, magnesium, , oxygen and other minerals, oxygen, silicon, aluminum, iron, calcium, sodium, potassium and, liquid water nitrogen carbon dioxide, and other gases always existed?

 

[Valjean]

Oh sorry I'm going nuts, mixing you up with Audie.

Yes that's true, there are probabilities governing what happens but, all the same, QM interactions are caused and have effects. An atom absorbs a photon and as a result is promoted to an excited state, is it not? No photon no excitation. Though I suppose the process is governed by a transition probability, so you cannot say whether a given individual photon will or will not get absorbed.

But explain a bit more about the cause coming into the future of the supposed effect. I don't understand that.

Yes, quantum leaps look like cause and effect, but other aspects of QM aren't so 'causey'.

 

[Spiderman]

But all opinions aren't equal. They vary in supporting evidence and logical reasoning. Some are more valid than others.

A thing is either reasonable or not. Add "to me" and you've left the realm of reason for that of emotion. The fact that you're 'unable' to follow the supporting reasoning or evidence does not diminish the evidence.

So where did the intelligent spirit come from?
Why don't you believe something came from No-thing?
If the scientific mechanisms were sufficient to create the universe, what's the need to posit a God?
But your lack of unawareness of how it was put together, unwillingness to consider (or, as you claim, incapability of understanding) the evidence-supported explanations of cosmology and physics, is not evidence of magical spirits. Nor would this spiritual magic explain the phenomenon in question.

The ancients' lack of understanding of Earth's rotation did not justify, and was not evidence for, the belief that a God rode a golden chariot across the sky each day.

The title of this thread is that it is easier to believe that a creator put this together.

Regarding, where God came from, that is a mystery. It's easier for me to believe that there was always a spiritual intelligent force present, than to believe that silicon, iron, magnesium, aluminum, oxygen and other minerals, , silicon, , iron, calcium, sodium, potassium and , liquid water nitrogen , carbon dioxide, other gases, worked together to create you and me, and came into existence through scientific mechanisms that had no assistance from an intelligent creative force.

 

[LuisDantas]

We do if we are unable to believe that matter could exist to the point of human beings, civilizations, and technology existing without the help of a higher power, supernatural entity, that was working with the mechanisms of science, rather than the matter existing from scientific mechanisms and big bang alone

I guess you are right.

But it is quite the arbitrary need, IMO.

 

[Valjean]

The Title of this thread was "It's easier to be a creationist than an atheist", and I pointed out why it is so difficult for me to believe that the material earth, plants, people, and resources could exist by scientific mechanisms that had no assistance from a higher intelligent creative power.

I have to agree with some of this. It is easier to feel than to think. It's easier to dismiss the question by attributing the whole thing to invisible entities.

Sometimes psychopathological religious delusions are just too strong to be overcome with reason.

I made it clear in the OP, that I found it completely unreasonable, illogical, irrational, and impossible...that doesn't mean it is...but I find it that way, and I wasn't speaking for everybody...saying it is easier to be a creationist, is not saying that we know better necessarily...it's personal experience and my ability to reason.

Did you find it that way, or did you feel it that way?
Unless your conclusion was arrived at by critical evaluation of evidence and logical, algebraic reasoning, you did not "find" it that way. You felt it that way.

Your "personal experience" strikes me as delusional, maybe hallucinatory. Your "ability to reason" has yet to be demonstrated.

 

[Valjean]

The event hasn't been debunked..

Countless communists, freemasons, and atheists converted over what they saw.

People think it has been debunked because nothing actually happened to the sun. It was a vision given to those people. A miracle, a sign, was promised at a time and place, and thousands of people showed up to speak about the miracle.

Conversion isn't evidence for anything but credulity and psychological needs. Argumentum ad populum.
Aesops fables haven't been debunked, either.
Did you look at Bob the Unbeliever's links?

This has also baffled scientists
Our Lady of Guadalupe ‘completely beyond' scientific explanation, says researcher

God has provided signs...people ignore it

God has provided a religious nutter; a Catholic apologist, not a scientific rsearcher.

The title of this thread is that it is easier to believe that a creator put this together.

Regarding, where God came from, that is a mystery. It's easier for me to believe that there was always a spiritual intelligent force present, than to believe that silicon, iron, magnesium, aluminum, oxygen and other minerals, oxygen, silicon, aluminum, iron, calcium, sodium, potassium and magnesium, liquid water nitrogen and oxygen, carbon dioxide, other gases, worked together to create you and me, and came into existence through scientific mechanisms that had no assistance from an intelligent creative force.

What's easy to believe is not necessarily what's true. Better to go with the evidence, not your heart.
These elements did not "work together" in any volitional sense. What you're saying is that you don't believe in basic chemistry.
Why do you find chemistry hard to believe?

 

[SomeRandom]

I can't speak for everyone.
If you are unable to be a theist, that's fine, I'm not able to be an atheist... it's virtually impossible for me to do that, because it goes against my ability to reason and use logic.

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist? How does a big bang create these treasures? That big bang was creative? Silver, gold, diamonds, and treasures came into existence out of nothing for no reason, at random? Or, it was created?

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly
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Who's a pretty bird?

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

The Big Bang gave us water and eventually oil.

Imagine a world without oil.

The big bang gave us these lovely ladies,
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and their beauty came forth from nothing.... well from:

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chimp-like creatures that evolved from single cell organisms, that came into existence on a round planet, that came into existence out of.... not a damn thing.

None of this is possible without the Big Bang giving us the Sun... and in the right place of course...

The Big Bang has been good to us!

Thoughts?
( okay, the thread was supposed to reek of ignorance and be silly.. it was to get you educated folks excited and load your guns .... I'm just saying it's easier to believe that a creator, some higher power working with the mechanisms of science, created it.... it's a lot more difficult to discover a scientific explanation.)

I know you're kind of trolling.
But I'll say that obviously it's easier to be a creationist. It's ignorance at its purist. One can simply ignore evidence which is far easier to do than actually take the time to learn what it says.
Creationism sings to the natural hubris of man. Our harmitia since stories first began for a reason. (I've always wanted to use harmitia in a sentence. Yay!)
Creationism is the lazy way out. It is intellectual cowardice IMO. Theistic evolution is all well and good. And I don't particularly see anything wrong with people calling BB the tool with which God of whoever used. That's a personal choice. Fine whatever.

But to be a theist does not necessarily mean one has to give up their brains. And just because one is an atheist does not necessarily mean they can't have their own incredulous beliefs. Even have their own version of sorts of creationism. People can have all sorts of irrational beliefs irrespective of their religious affiliation or indeed lack thereof. Even scientists. People are people and very few are absolutely one hundred percent logical. We have emotions and our own little quirks.

Also you might want to brush up on your own science, just saying.

 

[Audie]

I've studied too many things like this:
Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia

There are a lot of ways the creator has left evidence for people that has converted many skeptics and atheists.

Many people just continue to ignore it

The arc of history is long but it curves away from superstition.

Education is terrifically helpful, tho many, as you misdiected
the phrase, continue to ignore it. Others flee it, revile it, do anything
to keep licking the chains on their minds.

 

[Spiderman]

Conversion isn't evidence for anything but credulity and psychological needs. Argumentum ad populum.
Aesops fables haven't been debunked, either.
Did you look at Bob the Unbeliever's links?
God has provided a religious nutter; a Catholic apologist, not a scientific rsearcher.
What's easy to believe is not necessarily what's true. Better to go with the evidence, not your heart.
These elements did not "work together" in any volitional sense. What you're saying is that you don't believe in basic chemistry.
Why do you find chemistry hard to believe?

I believe in basic chemistry.

I prefer this source. Widipedia is infallible
Evidence of common descent - Wikipedia

I've already confessed, some of us aren't scientifically oriented.

 

[Cacotopia]

So silicon, iron, magnesium, , oxygen and other minerals, oxygen, silicon, aluminum, iron, calcium, sodium, potassium and, liquid water nitrogen carbon dioxide, and other gases always existed?

No. the atoms they are comprised of did, the elements are subject to change when they come in contact with each other. didn't you ever take chemistry? Alkali and Alkaline metals don't stay by themselves very long and become something else because they are highly reactive.

The arc of history is long but it curves away from superstition.

Education is terrifically helpful, tho many, as you misdiected
the phrase, continue to ignore it. Others flee it, revile it, do anything
to keep licking the chains on their minds.

It's chains they put there.

I think the Bible is stupid and am totally open to the possibility that it is false

If you are open to the idea of it being false why/how do you still believe in christian mythology? If you want to believe why not make up your own god. I don't want to sound insulting but I think you might be lazy, you don't want to make up a new credo when Christianity sorta fits your own core belief, but as you have said before your faith has been shaken by some of its ideologies namely the church's persecution of homosexuals. Hell supposedly isn't real now according to Pope Francis, and you don't need to believe according to him either, be a humanitarian, help where you can when you can. That's what I try to be. My life and mind especially with severe ADD is already cluttered enough to worry about some god being everywhere at once but I have to go somewhere specific to talk to him, and he is mad at me for being born and wants money.

 

[Jumi]

Didn't the term "Intelligent Design" take off after it was substituted for "creationism" in a new edition of the Creationist book Of Pandas and People? As a direct substitution it was a perfect synonym, not an offshoot or in-between term.

True, I forgot about that since we rarely hear of ID.

 

[Spiderman]

No. the atoms they are comprised of did, the elements are subject to change when they come in contact with each other. didn't you ever take chemistry? Alkali and Alkaline metals don't stay by themselves very long and become something else because they are highly reactive.




It's chains they put there.



If you are open to the idea of it being false why/how do you still believe in christian mythology? If you want to believe why not make up your own god. I don't want to sound insulting but I think you might be lazy, you don't want to make up a new credo when Christianity sorta fits your own core belief, but as you have said before your faith has been shaken by some of its ideologies namely the church's persecution of homosexuals. Hell supposedly isn't real now according to Pope Francis, and you don't need to believe according to him either, be a humanitarian, help where you can when you can. That's what I try to be. My life and mind especially with severe ADD is already cluttered enough to worry about some god being everywhere at once but I have to go somewhere specific to talk to him, and he is mad at me for being born and wants money.

I believe in God, and I believe the spirit of Jesus Christ still lives on, and I believe that his suffering and death has atoned for all sin...

Other than that, I don't believe in Christian mythology.

I'm more inclined towards shamanism and spiritualism.

I believe there are many spirits that influence the world, and I even believe that Hindus and Pagans are paying homage to supernatural spirits, some good, some not so good.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, quantum leaps look like cause and effect, but other aspects of QM aren't so 'causey'.

There is no such thing as a quantum "leap".

 

[Jesster]

There is no such thing as a quantum "leap".

Are you kidding me? That's a great show!

 

[exchemist]

Are you kidding me? That's a great show!

Who is this jerk?

 

[exchemist]

Conversion isn't evidence for anything but credulity and psychological needs. Argumentum ad populum.
Aesops fables haven't been debunked, either.
Did you look at Bob the Unbeliever's links?
God has provided a religious nutter; a Catholic apologist, not a scientific rsearcher.
What's easy to believe is not necessarily what's true. Better to go with the evidence, not your heart.
These elements did not "work together" in any volitional sense. What you're saying is that you don't believe in basic chemistry.
Why do you find chemistry hard to believe?

It's the old Argument from Personal Incredulity again, isn't it? I don't see how it could have happened naturally, ergo it can't have happened naturally.

Or, maybe, to be strictly fair to the poster, what he is really saying is, "I can't see how it could have happened naturally ergo I, personally, will choose to believe Goddidit by a miraculous tinkering with His own creation." The implication being that His own creation was evidently not good to do the job itself.