Modern day Judaism isn't Abraham or Moses, it's Alexander and the Pharisees.
Well, so much for Rambam and ibn Ezra and Ramban and Rashi and Karo and the Baal Shem Tov and Geiger and Buber and Rosenzweig and ...
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Modern day Judaism isn't Abraham or Moses, it's Alexander and the Pharisees.
Such a good reason you can't wait to not tell me?
Why was Israel formed? The nation, its laws?
Thank you for your response. I encounter difficulties with these types of historical questions.It's Yisrael.
Why? To reveal the wisdom of The Most High God by living a balanced life of inclusion, not exclusion. Doing so, all of us Jews, all at the same time will be a real and undeniable miracle. Thus proving God's existence once and for all.
Achieving this lofty ambition will require more than love. We Jews will struggle and suffer, but, we will eventually triumph, just as Jacob triumphed after battling all night with Esau's angel which is the origin story of our name: Yisrael.
Thank you for your response. I encounter difficulties with these types of historical questions.
the Pharisees.
The one known as Paul was a pharisee. What's written in the epistles is from them. It's their secrets, particularly Phil 2, that eventually made their way into the Gospel of John. That's everyone's favorite.
Not "everyone's." My least favorite Gospel and I'm not a big fan of Paul.The one known as Paul was a pharisee. What's written in the epistles is from them. It's their secrets, particularly Phil 2, that eventually made their way into the Gospel of John. That's everyone's favorite.
Not "everyone's." My least favorite Gospel and I'm not a big fan of Paul.
He was also a Jew, of course, and a Christian. Most of the early Christians were at least 2 of the 3.
Modern day Judaism isn't Abraham or Moses, it's Alexander and the Pharisees
The reasons that you have listed are all false. There is no reason why Messiah should be from David's line or from the tribe of Judah. Messiahs are not limited by human beings. So, what human beings think does not bind the Messiah's. Messiah's have to take their own call as to where they will come. Messiah must build the temple but your assumption that Messiah must rebuild the temple, he must unite the Jews, must be Jewish are all unfounded and hence your OP itself is based on very flimsy considerations.I've seen this discussed here a bit and there is a lot of misinformation so here are some of the key (but not all) reasons Jews do not believe in Jesus.
The Messiah must be from David's line and from the tribe of Judah, Jesus was not.
The Messiah must rebuild the temple, the temple still stood when Jesus lived.
The Messiah must reunite the Jews, the Jews were not even scattered when Jesus lived.
The Messiah must be Jewish... duh.
The Messiah will establish world peace and rule justly, Jesus did not do this.
The Messiah will rule when the Torah is written in everyone's heart and all people acknowledge Hashem as G-d, Jesus did not do this.
In addition Jews do not accept the notion of a trinity or original sin. We do not believe G-d will assume a human form. Nowhere in Messianic prophecy is the Messiah G-d in human form or otherwise. Jews also do not believe anyone can assume responsibility for the sins of another. G-d also calls human sacrifice an abomination and condemns it in the strongest possible terms. There is nothing in Messianic prophecy about the Messiah dying and coming back at a later date, it says he will finish the job.
There's more, but that's a primer for anyone interested.
I think the point of Paul is to say that rather all people are liars than God would be a liar. I don't think he is saying that all people are liar, although it could be that all people have lied.You have to drill down into what the verse references to see it.
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Romans 3:4
I think it is relevant, because it is the only way to see is the Christian view really different. And it is interesting that many Christians say the same, "missing target".Feel free to scan this if you wish, but the question is not relevant. We're not talking about my view of sin but about Christianity's concept of original sin and Judaism's rejection of that view.
I think the point of Paul is to say that rather all people are liars than God would be a liar. I don't think he is saying that all people are liar, although it could be that all people have lied.
Sorry, I don't understand why do you think he is referring to Psalm 51.Romans 3 lays the groundwork for Paul's doctrine of original sin:
What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Romans 3:9
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:12
If your argument were correct, then why would Paul refer to Psalm 51 with 'it is written'?
A little ways back, in another thread, I noted that from what you had presented on the forum you really are ignorant about Jews and Judaism. You referred me to an article that you thought might change my mind about your level of understanding. It did not and your comments here only cement my opinion.The reasons that you have listed are all false. There is no reason why Messiah should be from David's line or from the tribe of Judah. Messiahs are not limited by human beings. So, what human beings think does not bind the Messiah's. Messiah's have to take their own call as to where they will come. Messiah must build the temple but your assumption that Messiah must rebuild the temple, he must unite the Jews, must be Jewish are all unfounded and hence your OP itself is based on very flimsy considerations.
The one known as Paul was a pharisee. What's written in the epistles is from them. It's their secrets, particularly Phil 2, that eventually made their way into the Gospel of John. That's everyone's favorite.
"Who, though He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped." Philippians 2:6
In the context of Philippi, a city experiencing a shift from Greek to Roman religious practices, this verse might have been understood in light of the evolving religious landscape....
"Original sin" has been very controversial since how could a newborn have "original sin" if it's never made immoral choices? There's a lot of Christian commentary with plenty of disagreement on this.Romans 3 lays the groundwork for Paul's doctrine of original sin:
What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Romans 3:9
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:12
If your argument were correct, then why would Paul refer to Psalm 51 with 'it is written'?
But, because the word sin is vague, I think it would be better to speak about the meanings that are used. For example the case of A&E, Jews I assume accept the story in Genesis.