why jews refuse jesus and Mohamed

[idea]

And you're right. A prophet could come under an existing belief system... but we'd be kidding ourselves, wouldn't we, if we thought that any one belief system was true enough for a prophet to adhere to it 100%.

the prophets in the Bible were not perfect either... Moses was not allowed into the promised land... Jonah... if they had to be perfect to be a prophet, there would be no prophets...

 

[Caladan]

My question to everyone, coming from someone who is a Mormon and believes in modern day prophecies, why do you not believe in modern day prophets? To believe that all this stuff happened in the past - prophets/angels visiting etc. etc. but then thin that for some reason that stopped? that God stopped speaking to prophets? that revelations have stopped? that there are no prophets now? why?

Can you guide me to modern prophetic content of the magnitude of the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, or Ezekiel?
It's also important to dwell for a moment about what a 'prophet' actually means. Is it simply having a supernatural quality? or is it also a man of social and political comprehension, power, and vision?

 

[beenie]

We know that the Abrahamic religion include Moses,Jesus and Mohammed,

No, only MUSLIMS believe this, ttruth.

 

[idea]

Can you guide me to modern prophetic content of the magnitude of the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, or Ezekiel?
It's also important to dwell for a moment about what a 'prophet' actually means. Is it simply having a supernatural quality? or is it also a man of social and political comprehension, power, and vision?

Our modern day prophets have restored temple work, restored what was lost during the apostasy, provide scriptures, organized a church, built cities etc. etc. they do pretty much the same types of things now as they did back then...

here is our back of the book answer for what a prophet is:

(Guide to the Scriptures | P Prophet.:Entry)

PROPHET. See also President; Prophecy, Prophesy; Revelation; Seer

A person who has been called by and speaks for God. As a messenger of God, a prophet receives commandments, prophecies, and revelations from God. His responsibility is to make known God's will and true character to mankind and to show the meaning of his dealings with them. A prophet denounces sin and foretells its consequences. He is a preacher of righteousness. On occasion, prophets may be inspired to foretell the future for the benefit of mankind. His primary responsibility, however, is to bear witness of Christ. The President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's prophet on earth today. Members of the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles are sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators.

Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, Num. 11:29. If there be a prophet, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, Num. 12:6. The Lord testified against Israel by all the prophets, 2 Kgs. 17:13 (2 Chr. 36:15–16; Jer. 7:25). I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations, Jer. 1:5, 7. He revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets, Amos 3:7. He spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, Luke 1:70 (Acts 3:21). All the prophets witnessed of Christ, Acts 10:43. God hath set prophets in the Church, 1 Cor. 12:28 (Eph. 4:11). The Church is built on a foundation of Apostles and prophets, Eph. 2:19–20. The people have rejected the words of the prophets, 1 Ne. 3:17–18 (2 Ne. 26:3). By the Spirit are all things made known unto the prophets, 1 Ne. 22:1–2. Christ came to the Nephites to fulfill all he had spoken by the mouths of his holy prophets, 3 Ne. 1:13 (D&C 42:39). Those who will not give heed to the words of prophets shall be cut off, D&C 1:14. Those who believe the words of the prophets have eternal life, D&C 20:26. The prophet's word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, D&C 21:4–6. Revelations and commandments for the Church come only through the one appointed, D&C 43:1–7. The duty of the President is to preside over the whole Church and to be like unto Moses, to be prophet, D&C 107:91–92. We believe in prophets, A of F 1:6.

For me, the main thing that makes someone a prophet is that they are an actual witness of Jesus Christ - that their testimony of God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit do not come from second hand experiences...

 

[Caladan]

If you believe that the first responsibility of a prophet is to bear witness to Christ, I don't see why you are surprised that many people don't see eye to eye with that notion.

 

[idea]

If you believe that the first responsibility of a prophet is to bear witness to Christ, I don't see why you are surprised that many people don't see eye to eye with that notion.

sorry, not just of Christ, but of the entire Godhead.

just a quick question - all the temple work in the OT, sacrificing animals etc. etc. - what do Jewish people think this was in similitude of?

seems like a lot of the OT talks about Jesus,

(Topical Guide | J Jesus Christ, Prophecies about:Entry)

Jesus Christ, Prophecies about
Gen. 3:15 (Rom. 16:20) her seed ... shall bruise thy head
Gen. 49:10 sceptre ... until Shiloh come
Gen. 49:24 (D&C 50:44) from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel
Num. 24:17 there shall come a Star out of Jacob
Deut. 18:15 (Acts 7:37; 3 Ne. 20:23) raise up unto thee a Prophet
Ps. 2:7 (2:12) Thou art my Son: this day have I begotten thee
Ps. 22:1 my God, why hast thou forsaken me
Ps. 22:16 they pierced my hands and my feet
Ps. 24:10 Who is this King of glory
Ps. 34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken
Ps. 68:18 thou hast led captivity captive
Ps. 69:9 zeal of thine house hath eaten me up
Ps. 69:21 (Matt. 27:34, 48) in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink
Ps. 110:4 priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek
Ps. 118:22 (Matt. 21:42; Jacob 4:15) stone which the builders refused is become the head
Ps. 132:17 make the horn of David to bud
Isa. 7:14 (Matt. 1:23; 2 Ne. 17:14) a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son ... Immanuel
Isa. 9:6 (2 Ne. 19:6) unto us a child is born
Isa. 11:1 (2 Ne. 21:1) there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse
Isa. 25:9 this is our God: we have waited for him
Isa. 28:16 I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone
Isa. 40:3 Prepare ye the way of the Lord
Isa. 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners
Isa. 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks
Isa. 53:5 (Mosiah 14:5) he was wounded for our transgressions
Isa. 59:20 Redeemer shall come to Zion
Isa. 61:1 anointed me to preach good tidings
Jer. 23:5 (33:15) raise unto David a righteous Branch
Ezek. 37:12 (Matt. 27:52) I will open your graves
Dan. 9:24 to make reconciliation for iniquity
Dan. 9:26 shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself
Hosea 11:1 (Matt. 2:15) I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt
Hosea 13:14 I will redeem them from death
Jonah 2:6 (2:2–9) Thou brought up my life from corruption
Micah 5:2 (Matt. 2:6) Bethlehem ... out of thee shall he come forth unto me
Hab. 3:13 thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people
Zech. 3:8 (6:12) I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH
Zech. 9:9 thy King cometh unto thee ... riding upon an ***
Zech. 11:13 I was prised at ... thirty pieces of silver
Zech. 13:6 I was wounded in the house of my friends

how do you interpret all of the above?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... all the temple work in the OT, sacrificing animals etc. etc. - what do Jewish people think this was in similitude of?

Don't you just love leading questions?

 

[idea]

Don't you just love leading questions?

no, I'm serious, if I remember right, you just don't think Shiloh (or whatever name you would like to use) has come yet?


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so many of the prophets in the OT were rejected / killed by those around them... sure it's good to be skeptical, but what's to keep people from joining in to stone the real prophets? I converted to the Mormon church because of spiritual experiences I have had there - we believe in going straight to the source, that prayers to God are answered, revelation has not ceased - that anyone can pray and find out for themselves... one of the things I like about our prophets - they encourage us to seek the truth for ourselves, and guide us along the paths that lead to our own personal revelations...

(Book of Mormon | Moroni 10:3 - 5)
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

how do you interpret all of the above?

It is mostly a tiresome laundry list that has been discussed ad nauseum. People see what they want to see and create what they think makes sense out of their presuppositions.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

By the way, to suggest the so-called Shiloh reference as a reference to Jesus is simply preposterous on any number of levels.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

It is mostly a tiresome laundry list that has been discussed ad nauseum. People see what they want to see and create what they think makes sense out of their presuppositions.

While your sentiment is agreeable, do you find the discussions you mention here have been satisfactorily completed?

Or, rather do you find unfair bias on all three Abrahamic sides?

 

[Flankerl]

LOL. Try Hanif maybe? (Hunufa is the plural)

I found something and can proudly say that i've never ever heard anything about them. Thanks

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

While your sentiment is agreeable, do you find the discussions you mention here have been satisfactorily completed? Or, rather do you find unfair bias on all three Abrahamic sides?

I am not at all clear what you're asking.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

I am not at all clear what you're asking.

You offered you have either participated or witnessed numerous discussions about a certain list.
You remarked about the list that was copied and pasted in an effort to prove Jesus was talked about in the OT.

You said, it was a list that has been discussed "ad nauseum".

I then asked, "have the discussions you allude to been satisfactorily concluded, or is there room to suggest unfair bias on all three Abrahamic sides of the discussion"?

My point being... Is there ever any ground shifting from one side to the other, or is it usually the three sides discussing it with their feet cemented to the ground?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

My point being... Is there ever any ground shifting from one side to the other, or is it usually the three sides discussing it with their feet cemented to the ground?

So in your world the sole options are:

• some participants change their position, or
• all participants are intransigent.

OK.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

So in your world the sole options are:

• some participants change their position, or
• all participants are intransigent.

OK.

By no means is that "my" world. I can see why you might eagerly jump to that conclusion, though I am not sure why you did? But anyway...

No, I was interested in your experience. You made a comment that allowed any reader to infer that you had much experience in these discussions. I then naturally became curious about where you ended up in these discussions.

To which, again, I ask, was there movement in these discussions of yours, or simply stone footed exchanges. Seems to be a reasonable question.

Take for instance, the one section where the Psalmist refers to piercing hands, and so forth. Why would someone of the time period 1000 - 900 BC be referring to such imagery of piercing hands and feet? It would seem that crucifixion was not popular until the 600 BC age and later.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not siding one way or the other. I am simply asking is there any room at all to give credence to what Jews claim, or what Christians claim, or what Islam claims. Or, is it that because it is a Hebrew collection, it therefor must omit Christian and Islamic ideology as possible realities.

Though, you can disregard my interjecting here. I was merely inquiring about why you had made the comment and was curious as to your conclusions. Did not want to offend.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

We know that the jews refuse to accept that Jesus pbuh and Mohammed pbuh
were sent by god and they only believe on their old testament and refuse to
accept the NT and the Quran.

What is the main reason for Jews that makes them to believe that both Jesus and Mohammed were false ones,any idea.any prove to support their claim.

That's because the Jewish Scripture has certain verses that is interpreted by Jews to mean, that there won't be any other prophet who changes the laws of Moses:
For example:

The Jews were required (in Exodus – 31:16-17) to keep the Sabbath as an eternal covenant:

“Wherefore the Children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout the generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the Children of Israel forever.”

Both Jesus and Muhammad broke the covenant.


For Christians, similarly there are verses in the Bible which the Christians interprete that there won't be any other Messenger after Jesus.
For example:

Jesus has been referred to in Revelations 1:11, as the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last.

Likewise Jesus said, in Luke 21:33,

“Heaven and earth shall pass away; but My words shall not pass away.”

If Jesus is the first and last and His word shall never pass, why there should be another religion after Christianity?
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[Caladan]

just a quick question - all the temple work in the OT, sacrificing animals etc. etc. - what do Jewish people think this was in similitude of?

seems like a lot of the OT talks about Jesus,

how do you interpret all of the above?

Sorry idea, but I can't help see the irony of you asking what I think about prophecies about Jesus in a thread insinuating that the Jews are stubborn, or elitist or what have you for not accepting Muhammad or Jesus.
When is it simply normal and OK for a Jewish person to keep practising his faith without this simple action provoking people of other faiths?

 

[gnostic]

We know that the jews refuse to accept that Jesus pbuh and Mohammed pbuh
were sent by god and they only believe on their old testament and refuse to
accept the NT and the Quran.

If you seriously want Jews to answer you, then you should know that there are no Old Testament (OT) or New Testament (NT). There is just the Hebrew scriptures, the Tanakh. Or the Torah, and other writings (the Nevi'im and the Ketuvim). They don't call it the Old Testament.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why do Muslims reject Bahaullah and Joseph Smith as prophets? There's your answer.

Well, why do they?