Why liberalism can and has been a disease.

[Revoltingest]

I'm already declared for @Revoltingest. Just have your people switch sides now, come peacefully, or things might get ugly for your side. Or both sides if I forget how I rigged the glitter pepper spray bombs.

He wouldn't even know what the kal-if-fee is, let alone survive it.

 

[Earthling]

Leaving that **** hole is definitely the second best thing I have ever done for myself. It's also very doubtful I go back for any longer than a visit, because I'm not nearly as angry, hateful, and pissed off here in California like I was in Indiana. It took a crappy comment at work, several months after I got here, for me to remember what it feels like to get angry and start fantasizing about popping heads like pimples. I've only had a couple moments like that here, and they've been rather quite fleeting, not at all like in Indiana were it stuck because I knew probably someone tomorrow is going to throw gas on my already starting to steam attitude. If I were still in Indiana, who knows how long it would have been before I decided not to restrain my anger and have a very nasty Aspie meltdown on someone.
The only "disease" I've noticed from the Liberal ways here, mainly/mostly/especially from the 20's-and-younger crowd, is they have incredibly sensitive ears here. Here, words hurt them like sticks and stones brake bones. And there is definitely a tendency in this group to forget people are human and will do things that may seem irritating to them but it's a very human thing to do and they can't honestly say they've never been in a similar situation.

Interesting. Well, I'm glad you are happy there. I would love the weather enough to make up my mind about the place. What, though, about the cost of living. So you can find a better paying job, can you afford to live outside of squalor?

 

[Woberts]

nothing worth taking in, and nothing to learn from or be challenged by.

Well, you can always challenge yourself by trying to think of a way people can honestly believe this kind of stuff.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I kind of think you could go up and down the rows of
tents and look under a lot of bridges and not find anyone
to take those jobs.

From what I've seen of the homeless here, a good number of them, it's not that they won't but can't. Of course I've seen some who appear able bodied holding up a "help, hungry, homeless" sign in the middle of "now hiring" signs, but some are on wheelchairs, crutches, have amputated limbs, and clearly aren't all their in the head.
My best guess is some assistance programs may be backed up - I know that housing assistance here is about two years backed up according to the Area 5 here (or HUD, or whatever it is they have here, I don't remember).
But in time I should have a better picture of what exactly the story is here.

 

[Earthling]

Anyone who unironically uses Paul Joseph Watson as a source should probably reconsider some things. For context, he's a writer for InfoWars. Yes, that's the show with the old bald guy ranting about the government turning frogs gay and Hillary Clinton running a secret child sex ring out of a pizza restaurant. He's also released doctored footage of what happened with Jim Acosta.
His "journalistic integrity" is nonexistent.

So as a general rule, assume that whatever he says is false.

Oh, c'mon! While I can agree with your assessment of InfoWars what does it take to see the truth? If someone shows you video of **** and needles on the street you're going to dismiss it because it was presented by an unreliable source?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Follow Me to Victory!

No less an expert than @Revoltingest declared me both liberal and conservative, within a day or two. I have also been booted out of both RF forums by the staff. My credentials are impeccable.

Tom

Sounds like you've been to Valhalla and back!!

Well then sharpen yer sword buff your horned helmet and shield, and dive into the fray!!!

 

[Woberts]

Oh, c'mon! While I can agree with your assessment of InfoWars what does it take to see the truth? If someone shows you video of **** and needles on the street you're going to dismiss it because it was presented by an unreliable source?

I'm going to doubt the video's veracity, yes.
Especially when the person presenting the video has a history of making up fake studies and editing videos.

 

[Quetzal]

Isn't that the purpose of RF?

Alright alright, you got me there.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Interesting. Well, I'm glad you are happy there. I would love the weather enough to make up my mind about the place.

I saw the wind chill advisory Kokomo has today. -15 degrees during the day.
And here Californians throw jackets on when it's still in the 70s and harp on about it being cold even though the temperature is still above freezing. The weather here definitely is better (especially this time of year), and the humidity during the summer is significantly lower than it is in Indiana.

What, though, about the cost of living. So you can find a better paying job, can you afford to live outside of squalor?

The cost of living here is very comparable to the Kokomo/Peru area. If you have to have a house and fancy things and a green lawn then the cost of living is going to be much higher, but an apartment for someone who isn't a big spender, I'm actually finding it easier here because the wages are so much better and lower-end earners are taxed way less here than what Indiana taxes them (I'll have to make around $30,000/year before I see the same tax rate again). Money is tight for me right now, but once I'm back on my career path I'll be just fine and making fistfuls of cash more than I ever dreamed of making in Indiana. And make more money than my nephew who works in a factory, lol. (as a blue collar grunt he was making way more than I was as a white-collar professional).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, you can always challenge yourself by trying to think of a way people can honestly believe this kind of stuff.

That's it. You dun gone and broke muh brain.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, c'mon! While I can agree with your assessment of InfoWars what does it take to see the truth? If someone shows you video of **** and needles on the street you're going to dismiss it because it was presented by an unreliable source?

InfoWars is so heavily saturated with fabrications, fallacies, whacko conspiracy theories, bias, and editorializing that everyone is better off going to another source that isn't screaming about gay frogs, Obama being a Muslim, and fluoride in tap water. Most the time, what InfoWars covers isn't even actually news. And insisting Sandy Hook was a false flag operation with confederates/actors putting on a show? If anything, the question isn't "why dismiss this source" but rather "why hasn't it been dismissed yet?"

 

[Revoltingest]

InfoWars is so heavily saturated with fabrications, fallacies, whacko conspiracy theories, bias, and editorializing that everyone is better off going to another source that isn't screaming about gay frogs, Obama being a Muslim, and fluoride in tap water.

Ya know what's odd though.....sometimes InfoWars will cover something real
which leftish media ignore. I know this because every now & then I see something
interesting there, but I don't trust'm. Searching mainstream media, I notice that that
there's confirmation, but not from a single source any lefty here would trust.
It reminds me of the Lewinsky-Clinton scandal.

 

[Nakosis]

I have no idea. I've noticed many of the homeless here are physically and/or mentally disabled. There are also numerous programs around to assist the homeless. But by the end of the year I should have answers once I get to working in the mental health field here.
But, I assure you, the jobs are plentiful here and definitely not in short supply. I don't know why there are so many homeless, but I do know lots of people came here (specifically to Kern county and Bakersfield) from Texas to work on the oil fields here. It's not unusual for some people to live in the Central Valley and commute to a place like LA or San Fransisco to get the cheaper cost of living and higher metropolis wages.

Thumbs up for Kern county. Used to live there. Cost of living is a lot lower out there. Lot of folks moving out that way because of it. Lots of housing going up. I suspect there are a lot of new jobs out that way because of it. Yes I commuted from LA for about a year. I liked Bakersfield. Unfortunately the cost of gas and 3.5 hours on the freeway every day did me in.

You're right there is more to Calif than LA and SF.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What???! No it doesn't. And even if it did that would be the fault of the forum. It's on subject.

It is not to mention it's a debate forum so it's the proper venue for my opening post. :O]

Given the toxicity already expressed with anti-conservative topics and such, it prompted me to put forth a hot topic critiquing the Democrats as to why the left is better qualified and capable of handling policy , and it's real world applications to people with all the consequences out in the open by simply showing an example of liberal and leftist policies in action as they are today.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He wouldn't even know what the kal-if-fee is, let alone survive it.

But, but, the kal-if-fee doesn't have a pretty shiny glittery cloud that has your opponents wheezing and coughing out the opening sonata of this symphony of destruction.
But LGBT people get a minimum of a +10 modifier bonus to glitter attack resistance with a chance to heal them for half the damage that would have been done. So you might get your kal-if-fee. He's from Indiana, so if you use a giant celery stalk he might run in fear, and then we'll write "death by vegetable" on his tombstone, and then not one single Hoosier will ever again stand up against Revoltingestan.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ya know what's odd though.....sometimes InfoWars will cover something real
which leftish media ignore. I know this because every now & then I see something
interesting there, but I don't trust'm. Searching mainstream media, I notice that that
there's confirmation, but not from a single source any lefty here would trust.
It reminds me of the Lewinsky-Clinton scandal.

I'm not a big fan of Infowars and I don't like Alex Jones at all , but this person isn't Alex Jones , and sometimes Infowars do touch on a topic that you can't help but ignore.

The situation in San Francisco was definitely one of them. It's about time where I think Democrats need to explain themselves as to why their policies fail so miserably when they are completely in charge of things.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are TONS of jobs in California. Another thing that discredits "few jobs" is the fact that even though minimum wage just went up and will go up a dollar each January 1st for a few years, there are still places opening up shop here and at least a few distribution centers and shopping centers being built around here. That doesn't mean fewer jobs, it means even more jobs for a state that is already swimming in jobs.

Then why oh why, for the love of God, are there so many people laying in the street, shooting up drugs especially heroin, living in their own filth, needles laying on the ground with even shots of children walking by, poop on the ground , and clearly mentally disturbed people with apparently no idea who they are or where they're at waddling all over and falling down with even politicians themselves stepping over them in order to get by with the cameras rolling?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Given the toxicity already expressed with anti-conservative topics and such, it prompted me to put forth a hot topic critiquing the Democrats as to why the left is better qualified and capable of handling policy , and it's real world applications to people with all the consequences out in the open by simply showing an example of liberal and leftist policies in action as they are today.

And you failed miserably because you looked at one city in a very large Blue state.
You blame Democrats, some blame Silicon Valley. But you can't focus on San Fransisco and say that is the whole of California. San Fransisco seems in bad shape, but California is a very big place. You might as well look to the LA riots during the 90s and say Liberalism brings about rampant destruction even though only parts of LA burnt, not San Fransisco, San Diego, Fresno, etc.
I can even brag the very liberal break policy here makes working on my feet so much easier here knowing I will get regular breaks to get off my feet, unlike Red Indiana which defaults to federal labor laws which only entitles people to one unpaid 30 minute lunch break if your shift is at least 8 hours.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And you failed miserably because you looked at one city in a very large Blue state.
You blame Democrats, some blame Silicon Valley. But you can't focus on San Fransisco and say that is the whole of California. San Fransisco seems in bad shape, but California is a very big place. You might as well look to the LA riots during the 90s and say Liberalism brings about rampant destruction even though only parts of LA burnt, not San Fransisco, San Diego, Fresno, etc.
I can even brag the very liberal break policy here makes working on my feet so much easier here knowing I will get regular breaks to get off my feet, unlike Red Indiana which defaults to federal labor laws which only entitles people to one unpaid 30 minute lunch break if your shift is at least 8 hours.

San Francisco is still nonetheless completely in Democrats hands and you still don't have an answer as to why it's in that abysmal state. Why is it being ignored by Democrats then?

Maybe I'll take a look at the figures of people who are fleeing California to live in better States.

And just what the political affiliation of those States they're fleeing to are.

It's more than San Francisco I suspect. Maybe other parts of California are not as bad but I do think there's a problem with the entire state.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Then why oh why, for the love of God, are there so many people laying in the street,

As I said earlier, I don't yet have answers to that, but I have noticed many homeless who are physically and/or mentally handicapped.
But, yes, the jobs are here with more coming.
And how do you reach this conclusion that San Fransisco is a reflection of how Liberal policy looks when San Fransisco is San Fransisco, not Bakersfield, or LA, or Sacramento, or San Diego. Northern California isn't Southern California.
I can also say I have one cousin who moved to (San Diego) a couple years ago, and she is way better off here than she was in Indiana, and I have a couple more cousins looking to move here because here they will earn tons more than they ever could in Indiana, not too mention there are also options when applying for a job. Myself, in Indiana my options where DCS or Four County. Here there's at least a few times more options, and from what I've been told I shouldn't be on the hunt very long here. And I'll be making at least $10,000 more a year for a bachelors-level position.