Why Only One Intelligent Designer?

[Storm]

But it's pruview is too limited to justify your comment in the context of this topic.

 

[crystalonyx]

The context of this thread is ID, which is the fundamentalists substitute for evolution.

 

[Storm]

The context of this thread is ID, which is the fundamentalists substitute for evolution.

... AND abiogenesis. And sometimes even the Big Bang theory.

ID argues against a concept of evolution stretched beyond the theory's proper purview. I'm not defending that, merely acknowledging it. Evolution theory does not address all the arguments of ID.

 

[DallasApple]

All I know is some perverts get ID too..(we all are made of the same stuff ..ya know?)

Love

Dallas

 

[FFH]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

Not only did God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ design this world, there are those who say we also had a say in how this world looks/is designed.

God "gives us the desires of our hearts".

I live where I live, and have experienced what I've experienced, so far in my life, because of the choices I've made, and the desires I had, in the world prior to this one.

I can't imagine a better scenario for my life. I've gotton what I want out of life and I know that's not because of any random chance or choice.

We all had a say in how this world looked, felt and the dynamics of each our lives. We had a say in the design of our lives and how they've turned out so far.

Would you not agree ???

We have chosen our family, friends, where we live, etc., even before we were born.

 

[fantome profane]

Not only did God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ design this world, there are those who say we also had a say in how this world looks/is designed.

God "gives us the desires of our hearts".

I live where I live, and have experienced what I've experienced, so far in my life, because of the choices I've made, and the desires I had, in the world prior to this one.

I can't imagine a better scenario for my life. I've gotton what I want out of life and I know that's not because of any random chance or choice.

We all had a say in how this world looked, felt and the dynamics of each our lives. We had a say in the design of our lives and how they've turned out so far.

Would you not agree ???

We have chosen our family, friends, where we live, etc., even before we were born.

100% rubbish, from the first word to the last. Patently false dogma without a shred of evidence or reason to back it up. Yep, that’s I.D. alright.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

Not all do.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Logically, knowing the mistakes that we humans can make (and do make every day, however good we are at what we do), the answer would be "Yes".

But God is not human; if (and I say "if" for your sake), he did create the ability for life to exist on Earth, there would have been no need for more than he, because hof his "perfect" abilities.

If ID were intellectually honest, it wouldn't necessarily imply any gods at all, and certainly not a God of perfect ability.

The only claim of ID regarding an intelligent designer is that it is capable of causing the developments in life that ID proponents claim constitute "irreducible complexity". Even setting aside the fact that nothing that's claimed as irreducible complexity actually is irreducibly complex, the minimum level of ability for what ID claims is closer to advanced aliens than anything else; it doesn't necessarily imply anything to do with God or gods at all.

 

[Draka]

I really wish there was a new name out there to describe what some already believe. Intelligent Design just doesn't cut it as it is too connected with the concept of Christian Creation. There are those of us that believe that evolution, abiogenesis and so on are accurate...but that is not to say that there wasn't some deity/deities involved in guiding them to do what they do. That those are the processes through which they work.

I mean, we all (well, those of us with working brains) know that they (evolution and so on) are accurate theories of the progression of life on our planet. We know how they work and what they do. What science fails to explain is the "Why" in the first place. Nor is science concerned with the "Why". Nor should they be. That is not for science to answer as, scientifically, it matters not "Why".

 

[gnomon]

If ID were intellectually honest, it wouldn't necessarily imply any gods at all, and certainly not a God of perfect ability.

The only claim of ID regarding an intelligent designer is that it is capable of causing the developments in life that ID proponents claim constitute "irreducible complexity". Even setting aside the fact that nothing that's claimed as irreducible complexity actually is irreducibly complex, the minimum level of ability for what ID claims is closer to advanced aliens than anything else; it doesn't necessarily imply anything to do with God or gods at all.

That prickling on the back of your neck is a tag that says "Made in Arcturus. Warm Wash, Cold Rinse".

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I really wish there was a new name out there to describe what some already believe. Intelligent Design just doesn't cut it as it is too connected with the concept of Christian Creation. There are those of us that believe that evolution, abiogenesis and so on are accurate...but that is not to say that there wasn't some deity/deities involved in guiding them to do what they do. That those are the processes through which they work.

There is a name for this: theistic evolution. It's the idea that evolutionary science explains the facts of evolution, and that evolution is a mechanism utilized by God/a god/gods as part of creation.

It's not a scientific claim, but it is compatible with evolutionary science.

This is distinct from ID, since the defining feature of ID is the claim that natural evolution is incapable of producing the variety of life we observe, and to answer this invokes an "intelligent designer". Theistic evolution, on the other hand, assumes a deity, but doesn't make any claims about the validity of the theory of evolution or the evidence for it.

 

[Draka]

There is a name for this: theistic evolution. It's the idea that evolutionary science explains the facts of evolution, and that evolution is a mechanism utilized by God/a god/gods as part of creation.

It's not a scientific claim, but it is compatible with evolutionary science.

This is distinct from ID, since the defining feature of ID is the claim that natural evolution is incapable of producing the variety of life we observe, and to answer this invokes an "intelligent designer". Theistic evolution, on the other hand, assumes a deity, but doesn't make any claims about the validity of the theory of evolution or the evidence for it.

See that works quite well for me. I don't understand why some find that concept so hard to grasp.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

See that works quite well for me. I don't understand why some find that concept so hard to grasp.

Neither do I.

You know I'm not a theist, but I think can appreciate the point of view of theistic scientists. In fact, I can see how when science is approached with religious beliefs in mind, exploration of the natural universe could be considered almost a form of worship (in the sense of the inscription in the ceiling of the rotunda at the Royal Ontario Museum: "THAT ALL MAY KNOW HIS WORK").

When one considers the natural world as an expression of the will of a deity, I think that misrepresentations of that natural world, such as this ID garbage, could be seen as a form of blasphemy against that deity, IMO.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

What does ID stand for? I am guessing Intelligent Design. Initially I thought it meant Interior Design and you were talking about group work in that field and somehow applying that to evolution ... anyways ...

There has to be one designer because more than one would lead to chaos. What if they disagreed on a certain point, for example.

 

[fantome profane]

What does ID stand for? I am guessing Intelligent Design. Initially I thought it meant Interior Design and you were talking about group work in that field and somehow applying that to evolution ... anyways ...

There has to be one designer because more than one would lead to chaos. What if they disagreed on a certain point, for example.

A lot of things have more than one designer, most things have more than one designer. The computer you are using right now probably had several designers. It’s not a problem.

 

[cardero]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

As Patricksm does:

I cannot take full credit for YOUR species on earth. That, as I have mentioned before, was modified and created by other intelligent entities. Gods? Most assuredly.

HELLO IT'S ME: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: The One True GOD?
Pg: 321

Somebody on this forum could have very well invented and created the fir tree.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

A lot of things have more than one designer, most things have more than one designer. The computer you are using right now probably had several designers. It’s not a problem.

Because one human does not have the ability to do everything on his/her own. Plus our manager ensures no conflicts occur. And, despite the manager's efforts conflicts still do occur. Furthermore, our limitations lead a computer not to be perfect. That is why you have newer versions each year.

But imagine a bunch of All-Powerful Gods all trying to make the best in their own view. Chaos ... chaos ...

 

[fantome profane]

Because one human does not have the ability to do everything on his/her own. Plus our manager ensures no conflicts occur. And, despite the manager's efforts conflicts still do occur. Furthermore, our limitations lead a computer not to be perfect. That is why you have newer versions each year.

But imagine a bunch of All-Powerful Gods all trying to make the best in their own view. Chaos ... chaos ...

Who said anything about being all powerful?

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Who said anything about being all powerful?

There goes another thread: Does God have to be All Powerful?

 

[BucephalusBB]

What if they disagreed on a certain point, for example.

Looking at this world, that's exactly what happened.