Why Only One Intelligent Designer?

[The Voice of Reason]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

I would ask "What part of the design indicates intelligence"?

In fact, I think I will.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Goto to Evolution according to Islam thread. I am giving evidence there of why design indicates intelligence here.

 

[fantome profane]

There goes another thread: Does God have to be All Powerful?

And who said anything about God(s)?


You see this is what happens when we conflate religion and science. As I explained to Michel in this thread, I.D. (Intelligent Design) tries to pretend that it is science. And if we are to treat it as science we cannot allow it to rely on religious assumptions. If you want to debate the nature of “God” not only is that another thread, it is another discipline. It is not science.

 

[ADAM5]

Logically, it would only seem to make since for one ID because multiple designers would have to be on the same wavelength of understanding to create everything within balance. Even a few extra elements introduced into the Earths atmosphere would throw everything off and cause the planet to be uninhabitable. I think the Bible is the only logical and true explanation of how one supreme being called into existance all that we see today.

 

[Draka]

Logically, it would only seem to make since for one ID because multiple designers would have to be on the same wavelength of understanding to create everything within balance. Even a few extra elements introduced into the Earths atmosphere would throw everything off and cause the planet to be uninhabitable. I think the Bible is the only logical and true explanation of how one supreme being called into existance all that we see today.

Why do think it impossible for more than one deity to be "on the same wavelength"? Can a team not work together to create something beautiful? If people can work on a team to produce something great, then why not "supreme beings"??? Are you saying that mere humans can do something gods cannot?

I see the bible as neither logical or true. Certainly not if that's what you are basing it upon, for that logic is drastically flawed.

 

[kerrythekiwi]

would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

I don't think so. I mean, I do find it hard to understand why Christianity insists there is only one God, yet has the Trinity. And the Virgin Mary is vigorously prayed to to get to God somehow (especially by those who happen to be young and female). Also there are saints to consider, who seem to be like demi-Gods.

I don't think ID needs more than one Designer, but a Designer of that sort of omnipresence and omnipotence to keep absolutely everything in the entire universe under control is beyond my comprehension. Though the idea of multiple beings capable of designing an entire universe banding together and making it seems equally hard to understand.

 

[idea]

If you are making a building, how many foremen do you need? I do not see any reason to have more than one. In fact, if you have 2 different people telling you to do 2 different things, that would be a problem. IMHO

 

[Laughing Man]

If you are making a building, how many foremen do you need? I do not see any reason to have more than one. In fact, if you have 2 different people telling you to do 2 different things, that would be a problem. IMHO

If I bought the whole ID thing I guess I could see the platypus as proof of way to many cooks in one kitchen. LOL

 

[BucephalusBB]

If you are making a building, how many foremen do you need? I do not see any reason to have more than one. In fact, if you have 2 different people telling you to do 2 different things, that would be a problem. IMHO

Sometimes 2 people get more lucky than one btw..

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

I don't know, if I would accept a designer in the first place, I would also make up a designer for him.. And one for him.. So that's 3 because that desgner needs no other designer, as he is ...ehr...Infinite, Yeah, infinite! see what people can make out of that!

:run:

 

[crystalonyx]

If you are making a building, how many foremen do you need? I do not see any reason to have more than one. In fact, if you have 2 different people telling you to do 2 different things, that would be a problem. IMHO

You may need quite a number, depending on how big the building is.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If you are making a building, how many foremen do you need? I do not see any reason to have more than one. In fact, if you have 2 different people telling you to do 2 different things, that would be a problem. IMHO

You'd usually have one foreman or lead for each trade: one for concrete, one for structural welding, one for plumbing, one for HVAC, one for electrical, one for plastering, etc., etc.

And the design itself is usually done by committee.

On top of this, it's almost a certainty that the design and construction team will be different for every later addition after the original construction.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

Yes, I believe you would. Jesus said, have no other gods before me. If there was no other gods, why the need in saying this?

 

[crystalonyx]

Yes, I believe you would. Jesus said, have no other gods before me. If there was no other gods, why the need in saying this?

To squell compeititon?

 

[Willamena]

Jesus said, have no other gods before me.

Um.... *flips through New Testament* ... *flips* ... *flips* ...

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Um.... *flips through New Testament* ... *flips* ... *flips* ...

Well, okay. Maybe it was one of Jesus' earlier relatives. You know - someone from say, the Old Testament.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Um.... *flips through New Testament* ... *flips* ... *flips* ...

OK, my bad! God said, not Jesus. Still, why the need for saying this?

 

[Sunstone]

If you are making a building, how many foremen do you need? I do not see any reason to have more than one. In fact, if you have 2 different people telling you to do 2 different things, that would be a problem. IMHO

Bad analogy. Have you ever worked construction?

 

[cardero]

Why do ID proponents assert the existence of only one Designer? If you were to accept ID, would you not have to accept the possibility of multiple Designers?

Creatively speaking, I would believe that there would be multiple designers.

I cannot take full credit for YOUR species on earth. That, as I have mentioned before, was modified and re-created by other intelligent entities. Gods? Most assuredly.

HELLO IT’S ME: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: The One True GOD?
Pg: 322

I taught entities how to create, how to LOVE, and encouraged any new ideas or thoughts.

Many good ideas came from these like-minded entities; many different planes of existence were created. Society and life was set up. Planets were formed, atmosphere was apportioned, animals and plants and other matter were catalogued into species.

HELLO IT’S ME: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: GOD’s Beginnings and Our Relationship To Reality
Pg: 329

The only reason I could think that someone would assign all of creation to one BEing is that if anything went wrong with their existence, they would only have one deity to blame.

 

[rocketman]

Um.... *flips through New Testament* ... *flips* ... *flips* ...

Well yeah, not verbatim that's true, but when Jesus quoted the shema in Mark 12:29 he's pretty much saying the same thing. The response of the legal expert in v32 sums it up "..You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him." Ok, I'll take my pedantic mischeif out of here now.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Bad analogy. Have you ever worked construction?

Actually, now that I think back to when I did work in the trades, there is one specific person who controls the actions of everyone on the construction site.

... he drives a silver truck that dispenses coffee.