Why Praise God When He's The One Who Brought Coronavirus To Us?

[SeekingAllTruth]

KJV is not the greatest translation in the history of man. You're being silly now.

I should have said the greatest translation of the Bible in the history of man. I thought it was understood I was referring to the Bible. Do you know a better translation out of the roughly 2000 English translations of it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Revelation 15 (7 plagues) makes it clear that plagues are punishments for attack Iraq (God had warned everyone not to attack Iraq). Obviously, Iraq had not been involved in terrorism, so God was right, and US presidents were wrong.

I want you to notice that all miracles of God (like Covid), look like God had no hand in them. Yet, God sees the future, and even if it looks like mankind (or nature) made the virus, one could always argue that he did not. This is part of freedom of choice that God offers to everyone.

This sounds like man's attempt to blame disease, disasters, and so forth on the gods and goddesses in hopes to explain such atrocities which have their own cause(s) that many believers don't accept. Kind of like a modern version of: it's thunder storming therefore the god of X did this or "there are wars and disease, the god of Y did that. Prophecies and miracles.

Why can't we just accept things as is and address it from a factual and human perspective than attributing it to gods?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Did He now? I though we got coronavirus from destroying nature and messing up the world that we depend on. If I understood well, if humans stopped cutting down forests and messing up the natural world, many viruses would stay where they belong and we wouldn't even know they exist. If we took care of the planet like the bible says we should do, we wouldn't be in this situation, but while I've been writing this post I'm pretty sure a few more trees went down in a rainforest somewhere, and they weren't put down by God.

Yours is a pretty simplistic explanation of a very complex problem, although in principle you are right. Man is destroying the environment and by extension the climate and now we are going to reap the whirlwind for our greed and neglect. But God knew that at some point in time we were going to reach 8,9,10 billion people and destroy the environment just by virtue of our numbers. Why didn't He plan for this eventuality? Did you know that cows farting contribute more methane to the air than any other source?

Each year, a single cow will belch about 220 pounds of methane. Methane from cattle is shorter lived than carbon dioxide but 28 times more potent in warming the atmosphere, said Mitloehner, a professor and air quality specialist in the Department of Animal Science.Jun 27, 2019

Cows and Climate Change

Unless there is a global pandemic that kills off 50% of us or a nuclear war, 90% of us will die slow and agonizing deaths as we starve and dehydrate from lack of clean water and food while baking or freezing in a hostile environment. It's inevitable. God planned for it and now He's going to leave us to suffer it out.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Alas. An Atheist who believes in the Bible, literally.

You didn't read my description. I'm not atheist, I'm an agnostic deist which means I believe in some form of higher intelligence, although the "intelligence" part could be called into question.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is why I am in conflict about it. I can't help but feel that a Higher Power should share in some responsibility in what happens to His creation, although from all outward appearances He/It doesn't.

Which side is the strongest?

I'm not really sure how to come about it. I think it depends on why you feel a higher power should take responsibility. Is it hard to imagine these illnesses et cetera happen without an cause?

I don't know how one would tell the difference if god did or not, to tell you honestly, unless he or she communicates with god. Outside of that, it sounds more of a personal conflict not a godly one. What characteristics does the higher power have that would warrant it responsible for what goes on on earth (good stuff and bad stuff)?

Is it just because its a creator?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Revelation 15 (7 plagues) makes it clear that plagues are punishments for attack Iraq (God had warned everyone not to attack Iraq). Obviously, Iraq had not been involved in terrorism, so God was right, and US presidents were wrong.

I want you to notice that all miracles of God (like Covid), look like God had no hand in them. Yet, God sees the future, and even if it looks like mankind (or nature) made the virus, one could always argue that he did not. This is part of freedom of choice that God offers to everyone.

Darn, I just knew we shouldn't have attacked Iraq.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

None of this is in the Bible. This is all your personal interpretation of some extremely vague passages. I think it's baloney that I am guilty for something a couple of mythical characters did 6000 years ago. This was an invention by the church to get pagans to believe that they were born in sin and needed Jesus to get them out. Again, this is a very subjective interpretation. 20 other people in here can each interpret the passage entirely differently. I only go by the language and the language has God clearly saying,

"I create evil"

Don't read more into it.

If I were to "not read more into it" I would be willfully ignorant - as you are.

I mean - you're not even willing to quote the verse in its entirety - which provides the proper context.

You're just looking to lash out at God and those around you rather than try to understand them?

If you took the time to try and understand the scriptures you would know that you are not being "blamed" for anything anyone else has done and that Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit was a good thing - because it made them (therefore us) capable of knowing Good and Evil.

If it weren't for Adam and Eve - we wouldn't be here - and even if we somehow did manage to exist without them (impossible) we would know no pleasure because we couldn't understand pain. We couldn't experience sweetness because we wouldn't know bitterness. We couldn't be happy because we couldn't comprehend misery.

I'm grateful to God and Adam and Eve for my life and my understanding of light and darkness and peace and evil.

You can go ahead and stay ignorant all you want. Quoting only parts of verses - robbing them of their context - in order to make your erroneous points - but keep it to yourself.

Or else I or someone else is going to have to put you in your place again. Which isn't pleasant for anyone.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Which side is the strongest?

I'm not really sure how to come about it. I think it depends on why you feel a higher power should take responsibility. Is it hard to imagine these illnesses et cetera happen without an cause?

I don't know how one would tell the difference if god did or not, to tell you honestly, unless he or she communicates with god. Outside of that, it sounds more of a personal conflict not a godly one. What characteristics does the higher power have that would warrant it responsible for what goes on on earth (good stuff and bad stuff)?

Is it just because its a creator?

In my mind, God set up the natural laws so that viruses could evolve. Did he have to do that? Couldn't He have set up a system where viruses simply didn't exist? Viruses contribute nothing to humans but pain and death. If He's determined to give humans something that is harmful to them couldn't He just make it so that we die swiftly without all the pain and deterioration? Why does He have to inflict the greatest degree of pain possible on most of us in order to derive satisfaction? Any earthly father who behaved as abominably toward their children as God does to His would be locked up for life in our penal system. Maybe we should just dispense with this silly notion that He's any kind of father.

 

[firedragon]

You didn't read my description. I'm not atheist, I'm an agnostic deist which means I believe in some form of higher intelligence, although the "intelligence" part could be called into question.

I dont wish to misrepresent you. So I acknowledge my error. You are an "agnostic deist".

Still, you believe the Bible was spoke by God? And also that as another gentleman said "the KJV is most perfect translation"?

 

[sojourner]

Nooooo, of course we aren't. Ever hear the expression "Actions speak louder than words"? Is it the thought I want to rob my rich neighbor that hurts him or my actually robbing him.

That’s not my world view. When God had made humanity, God proclaimed it “very good.” We may do evil through a misperception of who we are, but who we are is good.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

If I were to "not read more into it" I would be willfully ignorant - as you are.

I mean - you're not even willing to quote the verse in its entirety - which provides the proper context.

You're just looking to lash out at God and those around you rather than try to understand them?

If you took the time to try and understand the scriptures you would know that you are not being "blamed" for anything anyone else has done and that Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit was a good thing - because it made them (therefore us) capable of knowing Good and Evil.

If it weren't for Adam and Eve - we wouldn't be here - and even if we somehow did manage to exist without them (impossible) we would know no pleasure because we couldn't understand pain. We couldn't experience sweetness because we wouldn't know bitterness. We couldn't be happy because we couldn't comprehend misery.

I'm grateful to God and Adam and Eve for my life and my understanding of light and darkness and peace and evil.

You can go ahead and stay ignorant all you want. Quoting only parts of verses - robbing them of their context - in order to make your erroneous points - but keep it to yourself.

Or else I or someone else is going to have to put you in your place again. Which isn't pleasant for anyone.

Context! That what you all fall back on as an excuse when you don't like what the Bible says.

 

[Wandering Monk]

So God brings something as evil as Coronavirus on us and people are praising Him for it. Sort of like when someone kicks you, you say, "I like that. Do it again."

Then there is cancer, the holocaust....etc, ad infinitum.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Context! That what you all fall back on as an excuse when you don't like what the Bible says.

Something a true troll would say.

 

[Trailblazer]

Something a true troll would say.

Trolls do not start so many thought-provoking threads, they troll threads.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Trolls do not start so many thought-provoking threads, they troll threads.

You've never heard of "Bait and Switch"?

So you also don't believe context matters when you read something?

 

[Trailblazer]

You've never heard of "Bait and Switch"?

So you also don't believe context matters when you read something?

I have heard of bait and switch but I do not think that applies to this poster. I think he is a sincere seeker of truth but knows not where to find it.

I agree that context matters when reading something.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

I have heard of bait and switch but I do not think that applies to this poster. I think he is a sincere seeker of truth but knows not where to find it.

I agree that context matters when reading something.

I think anyone who claims that context doesn't matter is being a troll.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I dont wish to misrepresent you. So I acknowledge my error. You are an "agnostic deist".

Still, you believe the Bible was spoke by God? And also that as another gentleman said "the KJV is most perfect translation"?

No, I believe the Bible was wholly written by plain old Jewish and Greek scribes without any guidance whatsoever from a Higher entity. But if we're to assume as the Christians do that it is God-breathed then the King James is reputed to be the very best most excellent translation because it was done 500 years ago when the English language was much cleaner and free from idioms, corruptions, vague definitions of newer words, etc. "Evil" meant exactly that: EVIL, not "discomfort" "calamity" "uncertainty" and other nonsensical words to blunt a characteristic about God that apologists don't like.

Perfect example:

"And he could do no mighty work there..." Mark 6:5

Later theologians didn't like the sound of Jesus being powerless. I mean what kind of nincompoop god lacks power, right? So they called on the later gospel writers to ramp up Jesus' power but keep the original context. So here's what the writers of Matthew came up with:

"And he did not do many miracles there..." Matthew 13:58

You like that? Instead of not being able to do miracles at all, now Jesus IS able to but chooses not to do many of them. Clever, huh?

This what I mean about interpretations getting skewed over the course of time to slant in whatever direction the church wants it to slant.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Trolls do not start so many thought-provoking threads, they troll threads.

Thank you, Trailblazer for the very astute observation.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think anyone who claims that context doesn't matter is being a troll.

He did not say that context does not matter.
He said :"Context! That what you all fall back on as an excuse when you don't like what the Bible says."

But you are welcome to your opinion as to who is being a troll.