I know his motive because I quoted to him these verses in their entirety - which provided the proper context - and he still ignored them.
He did this twice. The first was with the verse in Isaiah where he left out the first line of the verse then again in Mark when he left out the second half of the verse.
My goodness that verse in Mark clearly claimed that Jesus performed miracles - but he left that part out - then refused to accept it once I pointed it out to him.
It's not like he is starting to read the verse and gives up half way so he missed something - he left out the beginning of one verse and the end of another.
It's intentional omission to push his anti-Bible agenda.
You do not know his agenda because you are not him. Only SeekingAllTruth (and the All-Knowing God) know his agenda so unless he tells us what his agenda is we cannot know what it is.
66: O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 45
Just because someone is against the Bible that does not mean they have an ‘anti-Bible agenda.’ You have not been in this forum long so I will fill you in. Many people on this forum are anti-Bible or anti-Christianity but that does not mean they have an ‘anti-Bible agenda.’ One does not follow from the other. In my opinion he is just trying to find people to talk to about the Bible and other things, and n as I said before I think he is a true seeker so he wants to know the truth about God and Jesus, whatever it is.
But even if
@ SeekingAllTruth does have such an agenda it is his right to post whatever he wants to as long as he follows the forum rules. One of those rules is not to insult other people and he is posting well within that rule, but you are hovering in the edge with your off-handed remarks.
You have a right to revere the Bible but don’t expect other people to share your views. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. This is a religious forum and everyone has a right to their own opinions. If you do not like people talking about the Bible that way perhaps this is not the forum for you, or perhaps you need to post on threads where nobody is challenging the Bible.
Nobody needs to expose the Bible for what it is as everyone on this forum knows all about the Bible, both Christians and atheists, and especially those ex-Christians who were Christians for most of their lives.
If there is nothing to defend - then why defend him? Why get involved at all?
I defend
@ SeekingAllTruth because I consider my friend and also because justice is very important to me. Justice is just as important as love and it was the primary teaching of Baha’u’llah.
2: O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 3-4
“Say: Observe equity in your judgment, ye men of understanding heart! He that is unjust in his judgment is destitute of the characteristics that distinguish man’s station.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 204
Justice means punishing actions or words that are wrong and upholding things that are good. This helps ensure that wrongs will be ended and rights will be upheld thereby leading to a safer society for everyone. It would seem sometimes that children have a keen internal sense of justice.
What is justice and why is it important? - Quora
It is an injustice to judge someone unfairly and that is why I stand up for people when I see that they are being judged unfairly. Jesus said to judge not lest ye be judged, not only because you will be judged in return. That is a selfish reason not to judge people. The most important reason not to judge is because it is unjust to judge others.
No - you need context.
Jesus was not telling anyone never to judge others in that verse - you need to read the next verse to understand that.
"For with what
judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be
measured to you again." (
Matthew 7:2)
Meaning - use righteous judgment if you want to be judged righteously.
If you use unfair judgment - then you will be judged unfairly.
So - yeah - I want Jesus to call me out if I quote only parts of things in order to take them our of context. Because its dishonest.
I want Jesus to use the same judgment on me that I am using here.
That is your opinion that I need context but given the point I was trying to make I did not need the context. I did not need to go on about why Jesus said that because I was only pointing out that we should not judge other people.
I believe that Jesus was telling us not to judge other people and then he told us some of the
consequences of judging other people:
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
It might be true that if we use righteous judgment we are more likely to be judged righteously and if we use unfair judgment then we are more likely to be judged unfairly, but Jesus did not give that as a reason not to judge so
that is your addition to the text.
Matthew 7:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matthew 7:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
In my opinion, what Jesus said in Matthew 7:3-5 is more important than what He said in Matthew 7:1-2. Judging other people in the context of these verses is looking at their faults so what Jesus is saying is not to look at the faults of others but rather look at your own faults. Baha’u’llah said the same thing.
26: O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 10
I feel very strongly about people finding fault with other people because my religion teaches not to find fault with others. The Baha'i Faith teaches that if a man has nine bad qualities and only one good quality we should only look at the one good quality and ignore the other nine qualities. It also teaches us not to offend other people.
“The most hateful characteristic of man is fault-finding.” (‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Star of the West, Vol. IV, No.11, p. 192)
“Beware lest ye offend the feelings of anyone, or sadden the heart of any person, or move the tongue in reproach of and finding fault with anybody, whether he is friend or stranger, believer or enemy . . . Beware, beware that any one rebuke or reproach a soul, though he may be an ill-wisher and an ill-doer.” (Abdu’l-Bahá, Tablets of Abdu’l-Bahá v1, p. 44)
“All religions teach that we should love one another; that we should seek out our own shortcomings before we presume to condemn the faults of others, that we must not consider ourselves superior to our neighbours! We must be careful not to exalt ourselves lest we be humiliated.” (Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks, p. 147)
Two appeals to authority?
It's too bad all that time and money did you no good.
I was not appealing to any authority, I have no authority. I was only replying to your questions regarding conjoined twins and why I was defending SeekingAllTruth.
Making such snide comments about me is insulting other people. Insulting people only makes you look like a bad Christian. Moreover, Christians on this forum do not normally insult other people just because they disagree with them, and since people on this forum do not normally insult other people those who do that stick out like a sore thumb.
How do you know what good my education did for me? You do not know me. Who are you to judge me? Judging others is going against what Jesus taught, and maybe you do not even realize that. Jesus said “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” Jesus did not say it is okay to judge people under certain circumstances.
My education did me a lot of good, as it helped me see the patterns of human behavior and why people do what they do. It also helped me recognize when people are projecting their own thoughts and feelings onto other people which is a very common human behavior.
Psychological projection is a theory in
psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by
denying their existence in themselves while
attributing them to others.
[1] For example, a person who is habitually
rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates
blame shifting.
Psychological projection - Wikipedia
