Why say Magic instead of Placebo?

[1137]

No I am saying that anything that can be bridged was not isolated to begin with.

Weren't you just complaining along with me, in this very thread, about people making up their own definitions then defeating them? If you want to play with your own definitions then fine, but I'm not interested.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Weren't you just complaining along with me, in this very thread, about people making up their own definitions then defeating them? If you want to play with your own definitions then fine, but I'm not interested.

I am not playing with my own definitions.

And I find it appallant that you falsey accuse me of that!

so·late
verb
ˈīsəˌlāt/

1. 1.
   cause (a person or place) to be or remain alone or apart from others.
   "a country that is isolated from the rest of the world"
   synonyms: separate, set/keep apart, segregate,detach, cut off, shut away, keep in solitude, quarantine, cloister,seclude, sequesterMore

According to the definition YOU provided, something that is isolated is alone or apart therefore if it was apart from the rest of your mind how would you reach it?

 

[outhouse]

people making up their own definitions

You have not in ANY WAY demonstrated, knowledge/skills/mind/reasoning is separate from intellect.

Start supplying credible source to substantiate YOUR claims

 

[1137]

I am not playing with my own definitions.

And I find it appallant that you falsey accuse me of that!



According to the definition YOU provided, something that is isolated is alone or apart therefore if it was apart from the rest of your mind how would you reach it?

Do you think that something separate is like in it's own dimension with no conceivable way to access it?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

.... You're trolling, right? Do you think that something separate is like in it's own dimension with no conceivable way to access it?

I am using your own definition.

 

[1137]

I am using your own definition.

I don't see how my definition suggests that interacting with someone or something isolated is impossible. I'm sure you can think of hundreds of ways in which isolated things can be interacted with.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I don't see how my definition suggests that interacting with someone or something isolated is impossible. I'm sure you can think of hundreds of ways in which isolated things can be interacted with.

By definition you cannot.

I would suggest creating a better term.

i·so·late
verb
ˈīsəˌlāt/

1. 1.
   cause (a person or place) to be or remain alone or apart from others.
   "a country that is isolated from the rest of the world"
   synonyms: separate, set/keep apart, segregate,detach, cut off, shut away, keep in solitude, quarantine, cloister,seclude, sequester

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[Taylor Seraphim]

Wow. Troll: noted.

I am trolling you by using your own definition?

Hypocrite, noted.

 

[Quintessence]

Could I remind folks of Rules 1 and 3 here? -_-

 

[1137]

Interestingly, every single person on this forum is separated, isolated from one another, and yet able to connect with and interact with each other. What's more interesting is this is only possible because the human psyche can step apart from, question, and manipulate nature. Kinda sounds like... magic.

 

[crossfire]

Ok please define the changes you can do by introspection.

Actually, my original statement was regarding the difference between someone else setting a focus for intention (placebo) and selecting your own focus for intention, as you can see from the post:

A placebo gives an unstudied person a place to point their intention (healing a specific condition.) Picking your own place of intentional change is a whole different story--it requires careful introspection and observation in order to intelligently identify the areas that need change, and how to go about it.

As for the changes you can make through introspection: you can certainly end ignorance. Once you become consciously aware of problem areas within your psyche and the mechanisms behind them, they will often resolve themselves without even having to set an intention to change it. Other habits are tougher to break. Nowhere did I mention magic in connection to any of this. (Statement as a pre-emptive measure to prevent the assumption that I did.)

 

[1137]

Yes I do mind, I don't degrade my Magick by trying to prove to a stranger or skeptic my ability to work it. I am quite satisfied that I have proven to my peers and more experienced and superior Sorcerers that I can work Magick bringing about real results, and that I am an Adept Black Magickian.

To paraphrase Webb, a true magician doesn't boast of what they can do, they're too busy doing it! My greatest accomplishments I'd generally never want to go through again just for some closed minded skeptic, they usually involve extreme hardship.

 

[Adramelek]

PS: Placebo effect's are real change.

The placebo effect is nothing more than manipulation and deception, there is no real world lasting change occurring.

 

[Quintessence]

The placebo effect is nothing more than manipulation and deception, there is no real world lasting change occurring.

I'm not sure that's accurate. It's not accurate with respect to the medical community in which the term originated, at least.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

The placebo effect is nothing more than manipulation and deception, there is no real world lasting change occurring.

So it has to be lasting to be real?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Actually, my original statement was regarding the difference between someone else setting a focus for intention (placebo) and selecting your own focus for intention, as you can see from the post:

As for the changes you can make through introspection: you can certainly end ignorance. Once you become consciously aware of problem areas within your psyche and the mechanisms behind them, they will often resolve themselves without even having to set an intention to change it. Other habits are tougher to break. Nowhere did I mention magic in connection to any of this. (Statement as a pre-emptive measure to prevent the assumption that I did.)

If you can end ignorance then that means you know everything.

So please tell me, what is my mother's middle name?

 

[Adramelek]

Ok, let me find ask this is a less ambiguous way.

Can you provide evidence that you can do something that a typical human cannot do?

All human beings have the potential to work Magick/Sorcery/Wizardry. It is a metaphysical art and like with all other art forms it requires aptitude and talent. Most humans either don't realize they have the ability, or deny it, or are afraid to delve deeper into it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

All human beings have the potential to work Magick/Sorcery/Wizardry. It is a metaphysical art and like with all other art forms it requires aptitude and talent. Most humans either don't realize they have the ability, or deny it, or are afraid to delve deeper into it.

If you quote my question than answer it.

Most humans have the potential to be martial artist but when I ask what they can do that a typical man cannot they can show me.

Can you?

 

[Adramelek]

If you quote my question than answer it.

Most humans have the potential to be martial artist but when I ask what they can do that a typical man cannot they can show me.

Can you?

I as a Black Magickian simply do not work that way. I don't denigrate my Magick by using it in order to prove to a non-practitioner that it does work. I have nothing to prove and I don't go around trying to convince or show off.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I as a Black Magickian simply do not work that way. I don't denigrate my Magick by using it in order to prove to a non-practitioner that it does work. I have nothing to prove and I don't go around trying to convince or show off.

Then don't respond when I ask for proof.