Yes, lasting objective change.
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Why say Magic instead of Placebo?
- Thread starter Erebus
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Yes, lasting objective change.
I have a suspicion that if proof were provided, you'd deny it as being acceptable. And given how personal many workings are, I hardly blame any of us here for not exactly chomping at the bit to hand you pearls to trample on.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
So physics is bull**** to you.
Also can you provide me with evidence that you can make lasting objective change?
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Keep in mind I would rather magick be real.
Well, you are quite rude aren't you. I shall reply to what ever post I wish on the religious debates dir, thank you very much.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Well, you are quite rude aren't you. I shall reply to what ever post I wish on the religious debates dir, thank you very much.
I find it rude when I ask for proof and then you say "Insert Rhetoric and Jargon here" and then when I ask for proof you say that you can but wont provide any.
Physics is observable objective reality, for instance gravity.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
But not all interactions in physics are long term, which you conveniently left out this time.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. I mean, I'm pretty sure I really called to the four gateways yesterday before sitting down to read the weekly gwers...
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
As far as I understand in the terms of modern occultism jargon.
Magick is the force being controlled and the Spell or Intent is the act of using it.
So therefore you did use a Spell or Intent but it is pointless if the force behind it, Magick, is not real.
Magick is a metaphysical phenomenon. I am not sure why you insert physics into the discussion. Why so confrontational?
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Im just applying methodic doubt.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
You where saying that the placebo effect is not real because it was short and I was debunking your claim.
Taylor S. if I
Awe, and all I am saying is that the placebo and Magick are two very deferent things.
Awe, and all I am saying is that the placebo and Magick are two very deferent things.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Taylor S. if I
Awe, and all I am saying is that the placebo and Magick are two very deferent things.
Ok, can you provide an example of how?
Interesting. I prefer to use the term "magic" in a way more similar to this as well, but it is not how the term is typically used within the occult/magical community. What the occult/magical community calls "magic" I prefer to call "spellcraft" instead, but I've been defaulting to the more conventional terms in this thread and just calling it magic. The most commonly mentioned understanding of magic comes to us from Crowley, which goes something like "the art of causing change in conformity with will." But there are variations. Lots of variations. A few of the academic works I've read on magic criticize the term for being too nebulous, and I agree with that. The word means so many different things in the English language, that it's something of a mess.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Taylor S if I may make a friendly suggestion? It you wish to experience the phenomenon of Magick perhaps try working some yourself.
I already did with Wicca, Thelema, and the Chaotes.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Ive noticed the variations but most magician I have spoken with are Wiccans that call magic a force.
