Why should I debate about God with you ?

[Tomef]

Did you understood HOW ?

Bits and pieces of it, what is known and what I know about that.

The position ‘we don’t know everything about how the universe came to be, therefore god must have made it’ is just plain daft.

 

[chinu]

Bits and pieces of it, what is known and what I know about that.

The position ‘we don’t know everything about how the universe came to be, therefore god must have made it’ is just plain daft.

Bits and pieces won't suffice

 

[PureX]

Not sure that is true. I very much doubt I would have come up with the concept of God if I was born tens of thousands of years ago and such belief didn't already exist. Agency projection and subsequent reasoning evolving seems the most likely reasons why many humans can accept a belief in a solitary entity, but as we have expanded our evidence - through human expansion, obtaining knowledge and understanding, etc. - we can see that much is simply the interaction of humans and being on the planet Earth. Many just will not accept the evidence though, it seems to me. Such that when religions formed the times were right for such - a little understanding, much curiosity and demand for answers, but not necessarily getting the right answers. So I think evidence and truth are rather essential.

You are right, I said that wrong. I should have said that for me God is not an issue of evidence or even truth. It's more a means of focusing on faith. Other people will have their own priorities.

I can appreciate this, although for myself I think I was fortunate in that even if I suffered in many ways (from depression and avoidant behaviour), I think I still held to reality sufficiently so as to pass through these phases whilst still maintaining my sense of reality. I've never felt that I actually knew anything to be true, just what was most likely to be true.

But perhaps it is just that I don't see such beliefs as being that useful, especially when they tend to lead to the confusion of beliefs that have emanated from the origins of such - a belief in God.

The older I get, the more useless belief seems to become. It seems far more appropriate to simply accept what appears to be true, provisionally. And be willing to change it at any time and for any reason that makes itself more apparent. Truth is not really even available to us, except as very temporary and very relative fact sets. Making more of it than it is brings us more trouble than it pretends to resolve.

It's still difficult letting go of that warm, purposeful feeling of control, though. I understand why we are all obsessed with it.

 

[McBell]

Bits and pieces won't suffice

but "GodDidIt" does?

 

[Tomef]

Bits and pieces won't suffice

Won’t suffice for what?

If you turn the tap in the morning, and no water comes out, do you assume god must have stopped the water flowing?

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Aren't you ?

Whether I am or not is immaterial; we're talking about why you should debate God with me. So, are you?

 

[HonestJoe]

Yes, this is "Religious Forums" not "God forums" I agree.
But, blah blah blah -is- blah blah blah.

So post something more interesting them.

We're all free to choose which posts and posters we respond to, and can freely skip over anything we don't consider relevant, important or meaningful. The answer to your OP question remains exactly the same and remains the same regardless of the topic area in question. You and your God aren't special or more important than anyone or anything else.

 

[Muffled]

Why should I debate about God with you ?

I believe it is because you will hear it from the horses mouth.

 

[Muffled]

No need to debate anything about gods with me.

I believe my experience is that you don't really debate; just pontificate.

 

[Muffled]

Only if you have doubts or seek to convert me.

I believe he is more likely on a fishing expedition. Perhaps he will just throw back the crappies.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe my experience is that you don't really debate; just pontificate.

Nastiness part of your religion?

 

[Revoltingest]

Why should I debate about God with you ?

You shouldn't.
I'm woefully ignorant of sky fairies,
& can't tell you anything about'm.

 

[chinu]

You shouldn't.
I'm woefully ignorant of sky fairies,
& can't tell you anything about'm.

Dear Rev what made you woefully ignorant ?

 

[chinu]

but "GodDidIt" does?

is there any other option ?

 

[chinu]

Won’t suffice for what?

If you turn the tap in the morning, and no water comes out, do you assume god must have stopped the water flowing?

Even a leaf of a tree doesn't shake without the permission of God.

 

[chinu]

Whether I am or not is immaterial; we're talking about why you should debate God with me. So, are you?

Okay, welcome to the thread !

 

[Tomef]

Even a leaf of a tree doesn't shake without the permission of God.

Way to avoid the question.

 

[chinu]

We're all free to choose which posts and posters we respond to, and can freely skip over anything we don't consider relevant, important or meaningful. The answer to your OP question remains exactly the same and remains the same regardless of the topic area in question. You and your God aren't special or more important than anyone or anything else.

When I said that I don't agree on this blah blah blah ?

 

[chinu]

Way to avoid the question.

When even a leaf of a tree doesn't shake without the permission of God then how can water flow, or not flow ?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Bits and pieces of it, what is known and what I know about that.

The position ‘we don’t know everything about how the universe came to be, therefore god must have made it’ is just plain daft.

No dafter than the position “we have some physical theories about the origins of the universe, therefore there is no God”. Especially when those theories point to the astronomical odds against the initial low-entropy state of the universe having randomly occurred.