Why should I debate about God with you ?

[Tomef]

No dafter than the position “we have some physical theories about the origins of the universe, therefore there is no God”. Especially when those theories point to the astronomical odds against the initial low-entropy state of the universe having randomly occurred.

That’s rarely the actual idea - it’s more about recognising the lack of need for a god as a hypothesis. It’s unnecessary rather than any conclusion about whether or not there might be some god being.

The focus on issues like the probability of this or that thing no-one yet understands is a red herring. It’s way of bolstering what one chooses, regardless of any knowledge or understanding, to believe, not a serious attempt to engage with the question.

 

[Tomef]

When even a leaf of a tree doesn't shake without the permission of God then how can water flow, or not flow ?

You are unaware of things like taps and other mechanical devices? Mechanisms that you turn one way or another to manipulate the flow of water in a pressurised system?

 

[Niatero]

Like; something about God that stop you from believing in.

The most convincing reason that I see for not believing in God is that he is supposed to have created human beings.

 

[RestlessSoul]

That’s rarely the actual idea - it’s more about recognising the lack of need for a god as a hypothesis. It’s unnecessary rather than any conclusion about whether or not there might be some god being.

The focus on issues like the probability of this or that thing no-one yet understands is a red herring. It’s way of bolstering what one chooses, regardless of any knowledge or understanding, to believe, not a serious attempt to engage with the question.

You can’t do theoretical physics without focusing on probability. It’s foundational to thermodynamics and quantum mechanics.

There are those who are determined to believe. There are those who are equally determined not to believe. Both interpret or dismiss whatever evidence comes to hand, not with the intention to learn anything new, but only in order to bolster their position.

And then there are those who are genuinely willing to keep an open mind, but they are few in number..

 

[McBell]

is there any other option ?

I am wondering when you are going to start debating in your debate thread,

 

[chinu]

You are unaware of things like taps and other mechanical devices? Mechanisms that you turn one way or another to manipulate the flow of water in a pressurised system?

And you are unaware of material like steel, brass etc. of which taps and other mechanical devices are made ? And those mechanics were able to show their mechanisms that you turn one way or another to manipulate the flow of water in a pressurised system ?

 

[chinu]

The most convincing reason that I see for not believing in God is that he is supposed to have created human beings.

In the beginning God was alone no second party exist to call him God.

 

[chinu]

I am wondering when you are going to start debating in your debate thread,

Oh!

 

[Niatero]

Then who created all the things that you see all around you ? answer me.

Is there anything else you think that people might need or want to know about God, besides being the creator?

 

[Tomef]

And you are unaware of material like steel, brass etc. of which taps and other mechanical devices are made ? And those mechanics were able to show their mechanisms that you turn one way or another to manipulate the flow of water in a pressurised system ?

Aha now you are getting somewhere. So you recognise that when water comes out of the tap, or doesn’t, that is due to the application of science (as is the smelting of metals) and not a divine act? If you don’t try the usual devious dodging religious people engage in, we can get to your notion about first causes when we get to it, in turn.

 

[chinu]

Is there anything else you think that people might need or want to know about God, besides being the creator?

No.

 

[Niatero]

No.

Do you think it helps people in some way to think of the world as being created by someone?

 

[Tomef]

There are those who are determined to believe. There are those who are equally determined not to believe

And plenty of people who consider the whole question irrelevant. I have found that many religious people simply can’t understand that a lot of people who aren’t just don’t consider the beliefs of the religious to have any relevance, beyond curiosity and understanding how people used to think before we knew better.

Both interpret or dismiss whatever evidence comes to hand, not with the intention to learn anything new, but only in order to bolster their position.

There is no evidence for god. A lack of evidence for other possibilities doesn’t point to the existence of a divine being, that is an act of imagination, ingrained in us by tradition, personal experience, evolution perhaps. Questions of evidence, in relation to god or gods, are not relevant beyond what a person believes based on their feelings and impressions.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Why should I debate about God with you ?

Because you’re wrong!


Lol

 

[chinu]

Aha now you are getting somewhere. So you recognise that when water comes out of the tap, or doesn’t, that is due to the application of science (as is the smelting of metals) and not a divine act? If you don’t try the usual devious dodging religious people engage in, we can get to your notion about first causes when we get to it, in turn.

There was flood in the village which was about to sink and a life boat came to save a man who was standing on the roof top. That man was a theist and the driver of that life boat was an atheist.

Man/theist said to the driver of that life boat; Go back I need not your help because God will save me.
Replied the driver to that theist; God doesn't exist and there's no one coming to save you, please sit on the boat otherwise you will die.

Resulted: three times life boat came to save that man but he refused to sit on the boat by saying the same and finally died by sinking in the water.

After death that man was in the heaven and started complaining God that I trusted you so much but you didn't came to save me.

Said God: O foolish man I send the boat three times to save you but you refused its not my fault.

Moral of the story: A theist and as well as an atheist. both of them didn't understand how God works

 

[chinu]

Because you’re wrong!


Lol

Yes I was wrong that you are capable to understand

 

[chinu]

Do you think it helps people in some way to think of the world as being created by someone?

Despite of, people may admit this or not its already helping

 

[Mock Turtle]

I believe he is more likely on a fishing expedition. Perhaps he will just throw back the crappies.

He shouldn't bother with me then, given I doubt I have that long to live.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Yes I was wrong that you are capable to understand

I was joking! Loosen up!

 

[Tomef]

There was flood in the village which was about to sink and a life boat came to save a man who was standing on the roof top. That man was a theist and the driver of that life boat was an atheist.

Man/theist said to the driver of that life boat; Go back I need not your help because God will save me.
Replied the driver to that theist; God doesn't exist and there's no one coming to save you, please sit on the boat otherwise you will die.

Resulted: three times life boat came to save that man but he refused to sit on the boat by saying the same and finally died by sinking in the water.

After death that man was in the heaven and started complaining God that I trusted you so much but you didn't came to save me.

Said God: O foolish man I send the boat three times to save you but you refused its not my fault.

Moral of the story: A theist and as well as an atheist. both of them didn't understand how God works

That isn’t a debate, it’s an example of what someone who already believes in god might think is a cool story. It has no bearing on whether or not god actually exists.