why some of arabs hate USA?

[Gharib]

No i dont agree, I agree theres a conflict going on and the ins and outs of it are far from me and my understanding of it are limited. but i wish to talk about "Hate" now you are saying that your hate for the US and now Israelis is due to their actions in a conflict that has nothing to do with you other than the fact you are a Muslim. so i can only come to the conclusion that your hatred is religious based.

yeah but it's not only the isrealis and the amrecians that i hate, i hate anyone that does any kind of injustice to anyone. and as i see it, the US is being unjust just as the isrealies are. just as serbia was, just as the UK was when it invaded Australia and the US. the strong is oppresing the weak, and i hate that. i don't care who does it, nor to whom they do it.

Would you like to see a military solution to the Palestinian problem , i mean would you advocate the destruction of the state of Israel and a Palestinian Islamic republic set in its place? not sure what you would do with the Jews?sounds rather -------Serbian.

that depends. but it is not my place to decide what should happen to israel. i could just as easy be talking out of hatred and may be infuenced to make a wrong decision. a just muslim judge that is based only on the laws of islam and away from his own desires and ego, would be the best person to decide from the side of islam.

The situation in the middle East is kept alive by Hate ,hate that produces violence it can only be solved by political means and that means laying hate aside.

if laying hate aside was to solve all the problems then why did they create it in the first place?

the US invaded due to hate, israel is killing due to hate, so it is up to the muslim once again to first show love while all other muslims are being killed THEN the invaders will consider leaving their hate aside. do you honestly think that s going to work? did it work with serbia?

 

[Sunstone]

Let's face it. They hate us for our liberties. George Bush told me so.

 

[kai]

yeah but it's not only the isrealis and the amrecians that i hate, i hate anyone that does any kind of injustice to anyone. and as i see it, the US is being unjust just as the isrealies are. just as serbia was, just as the UK was when it invaded Australia and the US. the strong is oppresing the weak, and i hate that. i don't care who does it, nor to whom they do it.

You mean like the Ottomans when they invaded the Balkans?

that depends. but it is not my place to decide what should happen to israel. i could just as easy be talking out of hatred and may be infuenced to make a wrong decision. a just muslim judge that is based only on the laws of islam and away from his own desires and ego, would be the best person to decide from the side of islam.



if laying hate aside was to solve all the problems then why did they create it in the first place? because you could say Hate helped create it also.

the US invaded due to hate, israel is killing due to hate, so it is up to the muslim once again to first show love while all other muslims are being killed THEN the invaders will consider leaving their hate aside. do you honestly think that s going to work? did it work with serbia?

No but its got to work now hasnt it you have to lay hate aside and have reconciliation. the alternative is for the hatred to live on.


and not being funny but history isnt your best subject is it.

have to go now! nice talking to you as always,

 

[Gharib]

]You mean like the Ottomans when they invaded the Balkans?[/COLOR]

totally different case. what the ottomans did in the balkans is no where near compared to what the US is doing in the middle east. just like every great empire that expands, so too did the ottomans. but if you think they are comparable to the US, show me any case where they have killed a child or a woman?

because you could say Hate helped create it also.

doesn't work that way. if hate created it, then only hate can extinguish it.

No but its got to work now hasnt it you have to lay hate aside and have reconciliation. the alternative is for the hatred to live on.

as long as there is hatered, there is no alternative to nothing.

do you know what the ottomans would do in such a situation?
i've always heard that, if 2 clans had hatred of each other, the ottomans would move one of the clans to a distant place to restore peace. would you say the only alternative to this conflict between israel and palestine is to move israel out of there? don't know if you know this, but there are a great number of turks in far west of macedonia that have been moved as a result of hatred with another clan during the time of the ottoman empire.

and not being funny but history isnt your best subject is it.

my history is good. why do you ask?

have to go now! nice talking to you as always,

the pleasure is all mine my good friend. have a good day.

 

[Kerr]

yeah but it's not only the isrealis and the amrecians that i hate, i hate anyone that does any kind of injustice to anyone. and as i see it, the US is being unjust just as the isrealies are. just as serbia was, just as the UK was when it invaded Australia and the US. the strong is oppresing the weak, and i hate that. i don't care who does it, nor to whom they do it.

Care to tell us which countries you do not hate? So we get perspective on it.

that depends. but it is not my place to decide what should happen to israel. i could just as easy be talking out of hatred and may be infuenced to make a wrong decision. a just muslim judge that is based only on the laws of islam and away from his own desires and ego, would be the best person to decide from the side of islam.

Depends on what if I may ask? I am no fan of Israel, in my opinion they have a huge roll in the problem, but I cannot think of any reason that would justify destroying that country.

if laying hate aside was to solve all the problems then why did they create it in the first place?

the US invaded due to hate, israel is killing due to hate, so it is up to the muslim once again to first show love while all other muslims are being killed THEN the invaders will consider leaving their hate aside. do you honestly think that s going to work? did it work with serbia?

You paint it more black and white then it is.

 

[Kerr]

doesn't work that way. if hate created it, then only hate can extinguish it.

Wrong. Ever seen the movie End of the Spear?

 

[Caladan]

Let's face it. They hate us for our liberties. George Bush told me so.

Reading some of the posts on the board, some people here out right say they hate your society for its liberties. some threads were created with the very purpose of demonizing western liberalism and secularity and how it is corrupted when placed infront of the Muslim ideal.

 

[Kerr]

Let's face it. They hate us for our liberties. George Bush told me so.

Don´t listen to him . It is far more complicated then that.

 

[MissAlice]

Let's face it, George Bush bit Liberty on the kneck....

 

[gnomon]

totally different case. what the ottomans did in the balkans is no where near compared to what the US is doing in the middle east. just like every great empire that expands, so too did the ottomans. but if you think they are comparable to the US, show me any case where they have killed a child or a woman?



doesn't work that way. if hate created it, then only hate can extinguish it.



as long as there is hatered, there is no alternative to nothing.

do you know what the ottomans would do in such a situation?
i've always heard that, if 2 clans had hatred of each other, the ottomans would move one of the clans to a distant place to restore peace. would you say the only alternative to this conflict between israel and palestine is to move israel out of there? don't know if you know this, but there are a great number of turks in far west of macedonia that have been moved as a result of hatred with another clan during the time of the ottoman empire.



my history is good. why do you ask?



the pleasure is all mine my good friend. have a good day.

Do you hate the Janjaweed?

Do you hate Sudan?

Do you hate the Turks?

What do you feel for the plight of the Berbers?

 

[Caladan]

Do you hate the Janjaweed?

Do you hate Sudan?

Do you hate the Turks?

What do you feel for the plight of the Berbers?

If only his hate was based on humanitarian concern he might have known what you're talking about.

 

[Falvlun]

Let's face it, George Bush bit Liberty on the kneck....

Hehehe. Ka-neck.

 

[arimoff]

i was probably meant to say israelites. what the country of israel is doing to the country of palestine is equal to what the country of serbia did to the country of albania. do you agree?



alright i chose the wrong words. how about now?

Don't fool your self, there is no country called Palestine. never was and never will be. You are the one who is spreading hatred, speaking of killing children and woman, 99% of all the terrorists who blow them selfs up in crowded places all over the world are Muslims. so who should hate who then?

And again, what country of Albania? (in about 100 yrs from now people will be arguing if France is Islamic land or not), I live in New York and we have Albanians here, from my experience with them I can tell you they are not angels, they are the most cruel and unfair people I have ever meet, so before comparing something to Serbia do research, there is no smoke without fire.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Let's face it. They hate us for our liberties. George Bush told me so.

Apparently, Bush's goal in office was obviously to make them like us more then.

 

[kai]

Unless you tow the line and end all support for Israel, remove all non muslim influence from Muslim countries. Cater for all Muslim religious requirements in non Muslim countries . Or every one reverts to Islam. you are just not going to be on friendly terms with Arabs well Muslim ones anyway.

 

[kai]

Apparently, Bush's goal in office was obviously to make them like us more then.

The only way to make "them " Like us is to become like "them" then there wouldnt be any "them" there would just be "us"

 

[darkendless]

Eselam: I see you have ignored 2 of my posts in response to you. Its amusing when your propoganda is reversed on you. You make claims that make muslims look innocent when they are in fact not so.

You generalise Australians Americans and British when in fact we all have different perceptions by muslims, and are not as universally hated as you think.

You blatently insult soldiers fighting for your rights, yes yours. You live in this country, they are your rights too. If you dont like it, **** off because im sure someone else out there would appreciate it more than you do.

Its disgusting that you insult the west so openly when you live in a western country. If we're so bad, then you have no business in a country i am proud to live in.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Unless you tow the line and end all support for Israel, remove all non muslim influence from Muslim countries. Cater for all Muslim religious requirements in non Muslim countries . Or every one reverts to Islam. you are just not going to be on friendly terms with Arabs well Muslim ones anyway.

So the millions of Arab Muslims who reside in the U.S. currently, who immigrated here, are not on friendly terms with us? The women I see all the time in Houston, where I reside, who wear head coverings, seem to be on perfectly friendly terms with everyone else.

You are just describing the extremists, like Al Qaeda (not all Arabs of course). The vast majority of Arabs would have nothing against the US if we did not intervene so often militarily and economically, with American interests first priority and the basic human rights of the local population second priority. Ask most Arabs, and Arab-Americans, they will tell you.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

The only way to make "them " Like us is to become like "them" then there wouldnt be any "them" there would just be "us"

You are talking about all Arabs? Including the Christian Arabs, the secular/communist Arabs, etc.?

 

[darkendless]

You are talking about all Arabs? Including the Christian Arabs, the secular/communist Arabs, etc.?

"They" are not the ones who are causing problems in this world.

Unfortunately all we hear about are muslim extremists. We never hear non-muslim arabs (over here at least) ripping on the culture they immigrated to.