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Why the NT is Historically and Theologically not acceptable for Torath Mosheh Jews

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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
It most certainly is convenient when you're too poor to pay the guard at the entrance of the study hall or too unlearned to actually understand anything, but still want some spirituality in your life.
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The sayings of Jesus are difficult and his standards are demanding. Matthew 16:25 says For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
 
Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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Skywalker said:
The sayings of Jesus are difficult and his standards are demanding. Matthew 16:25 says For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
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Doesn't sound difficult at all. Give yourself to Jesus and get the spiritual pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, or don't give yourself to Jesus and face his wrath.
 
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Skywalker

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rosends said:
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Next?
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The God of the Bible gave his life for us. Christianity is the only belief system where God took our place. We could never measure up to who we are supposed to be. No matter how hard we try we are still going to sin. God died for every single person. God has no favorites. God doesn't choose us we choose Him.
 
rosends

rosends

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Skywalker said:
The God of the Bible gave his life for us. Christianity is the only belief system where God took our place. We could never measure up to who we are supposed to be. No matter how hard we try we are still going to sin. God died for every single person. God has no favorites. God doesn't choose us we choose Him.
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Wrong.
Nonsense.
Wrong.
True.
Wrong.
Unclear.
Wrong.
Next?
 
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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
Doesn't sound difficult at all. Give yourself to Jesus and get the spiritual pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, or don't give yourself to Jesus and face his wrath.
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1 Peter 3:13-17

And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?

But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

People make fun of Christians for their faith. People don't curse Buddha or Mohammed but Jesus Christ is the most commonly used curse word.
 
Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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Skywalker said:
People make fun of Christians for their faith. People don't curse Buddha or Mohammed but Jesus Christ is the most commonly used curse word.
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That's because the West, and particular America, is very much rooted in Christian theology. But I'm sure it wouldn't surprise you that I'm part of the minority that most certainly do not think about Jesus or his name when we're angry.
 
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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
That's because the West, and particular America, is very much rooted in Christian theology. But I'm sure it wouldn't surprise you that I'm part of the minority that most certainly do not think about Jesus or his name when we're angry.
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People don't use the name of Buddha or Mohammad as curse words. Dew On The Newts: Jesus Christ As Blasphemous Profanity

The REASON why His name and His name only is used in such a manner is BECAUSE He is the ONLY TRUE GOD!
Man hating everything He stands for...Righteousness...Holiness....and He being the Creator of ALL things...it only makes sense that the creation that rejects Him (MANKIND)....would blaspheme His name...”thou shalt NOT take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”
Pretty simple....crucifying the Love of God on a cross was the ultimate hatred of man toward God...
2000 years later using His name as an expletive profanity is only an extension of this hatred. It’s to be expected.
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Harel13

Harel13

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Skywalker said:
They never curse Buddha or Mohammed it's always Jesus. The devil knows which one is real.
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I don't believe there's a devil.
Like I said, it's Christianity's fault for rooting itself in the West.
If it helps, a mild curse word in Hebrew comes from Jewish traditions: L'Azazel.
I'm sure other cultures who are far away from classic European Christianity have different curse words.
 
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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
I don't believe there's a devil.
Like I said, it's Christianity's fault for rooting itself in the West.
If it helps, a mild curse word in Hebrew comes from Jewish traditions: L'Azazel.
I'm sure other cultures who are far away from classic European Christianity have different curse words.
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Christianity is not a European or American religion. God has no favorites. The first Christians were middle eastern people.
 
Harel13

Harel13

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Skywalker said:
Christianity is not a European or American religion. God has no favorites. The first Christians were middle eastern people.
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And yet, Christianity would have likely died out if it hadn't been picked up by the Romans, a European people.
In any case, I emphasized "classic European Christianity", meaning that Christianity developed in a certain way in Europe, not that Christianity itself is European (though one may argue that at it's core it is, for having so many Hellenistic ideas in it - but never mind that now).
 
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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
I don't believe there's a devil.
Like I said, it's Christianity's fault for rooting itself in the West.
If it helps, a mild curse word in Hebrew comes from Jewish traditions: L'Azazel.
I'm sure other cultures who are far away from classic European Christianity have different curse words.
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There is a devil. If there is good, there is evil. Progressive revelation is a concept that exists in the Old Testament. Does the Bible teach that there would be two comings of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

The Old Testament clearly teaches that the Messiah would come, but it does not explicitly say that He would come twice. The information God revealed about the Messiah started very basic, with more detail added bit by bit. People living in later times knew more than those who lived earlier. Abraham knew more about the purposes of God than did Noah. David knew more than Abraham. The prophets knew more than David. And finally, the apostles in the New Testament knew more than the prophets. The apostles after the resurrection knew more than they did before the resurrection.
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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
These two statements are not necessarily mutually compatible. But go ahead, continue believing in dualism all you want.
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The Bible did not get the idea of the devil from Zoroastrianism. Even without the Bible you know that evil exists. Genesis 3:4- says And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. You don't have to get very far in the Bible before seeing the devil introduced.
 
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