Why the NT is Historically and Theologically not acceptable for Torath Mosheh Jews

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Isaiah 53:6 shows that the Messiah is God because only God can pay the price of sin which is eternal separation from Him.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

No it doesn't.
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No it doesn't.
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God is love but He is also just. He reached out to us in His love because He didn't want us to have to make the payment for our sins. Jesus and the Infinite

“In the infinite price paid by the Son of God to ransom man, the love of God is revealed” —God’s Amazing Grace, p. 99.

Ever since I came across this passage, I have been intrigued by the notion that Jesus paid an “infinite price” for my redemption. Ellen White, the writer, uses the expression in more than one place, such as in Christ’s Object Lessons, which we’ll look at a little later, so it’s not a mere one-off pairing.

With that in mind, let’s key in on that word “infinite.” One easy-to-find definition is “limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.” One way to reword this might be: It’s impossible to measure something that has no boundaries. Indeed, if you don’t have a starting or an end point, where do you place the ruler to start the measuring?

When plugging this definition into the opening quote, the writer seems to be saying that the price Jesus paid is limitless in its extent, something that is impossible to calculate. In other words: The price that Jesus paid cannot be measured because it has no boundaries. There is no starting point nor an end point in which to measure the price.

 

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God is love but He is also just. He reached out to us in His love because He didn't want us to have to make the payment for our sins. Jesus and the Infinite

That's gibberish and the parts that approach making sense are wrong.
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That's gibberish and the parts that approach making sense are wrong.
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God came down to save us and to teach us how to live. He reached out to us in His love by taking our place on the cross. It doesn't matter how good we think we are, we can't be good enough to earn heaven. When you do something wrong with the law, there are consequences. No matter how hard we try, we are still going to sin. We can't be perfect. None of us are perfect. At our best we are sinners.

 

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God came down to save us and to teach us how to live. He reached out to us in His love by taking our place on the cross. It doesn't matter how good we think we are, we can't be good enough to earn heaven. When you do something wrong with the law, there are consequences. No matter how hard we try, we are still going to sin. We can't be perfect. None of us are perfect. At our best we are sinners.

That's wrong. He didn't.
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That's wrong. He didn't.
We can.
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Numbers 31:9 is consistent with the Messiah being God incarnate. Jewish People Do Not Believe That God Could Become a Man | Chosen People Ministries

A popular Bible passage that is used by our rabbis to counter the idea of God becoming a man is Numbers 23:19. It says: “God is not a man, that he should lie; nor a son of man, that he should repent….” However, this verse has not always prevented Jewish people from believing in the possibility that God can become a man. For example, the first-century Jewish philosopher, Philo, speaks freely about God taking the form of a man: “Why then do we any longer wonder, if God at times assumes the likeness of the angels, as he sometimes assumes even that of men, for the sake of assisting those who address their entreaties to him?” (On Dreams, 1.238). At other times, classical Jewish sources taught about God taking the form of the Memra (Aramaic for the Word) or the Shekhinah (the Glory of God), that is, divine intermediaries that were somehow physical and divine at the same time. Consequently, it is a relatively recent innovation that Jews cannot believe in the possibility of God entering His creation in physical form.

To understand the scriptures properly you have to understand the context. When I read the Bible over and over again I notice things that I didn't notice before. 2 Peter 1:20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

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Numbers 31:9 is consistent with the Messiah being God incarnate. Jewish People Do Not Believe That God Could Become a Man | Chosen People Ministries



To understand the scriptures properly you have to understand the context. When I read the Bible over and over again I notice things that I didn't notice before. 2 Peter 1:20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

No it isn't.
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No it isn't.
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2 Peter 1:10 says Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Is Private Interpretation Possible?

Does the phrase “no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20) mean that we can’t understand the Bible for ourselves?

A casual reading of 2 Peter 1:20—with little concern for the context in which the passage is found—might very well lead one to understand the verse in such a manner. However, a closer examination of this passage reveals that it has no reference at all to those who read the Scriptures, but refers instead to those who wrote the Scriptures. By studying the context of the passage, one learns that the passage is discussing how the Scriptures came into existence, not how they are to be “interpreted.”

Continuing the thought from verse 20 to verse 21, we read: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (emp. added). That little word “for” in verse 21 connects the two thoughts. The English word “for” derives from the Greek conjunction gar. Strong’s Greek-Hebrew Dictionary (1994) indicates that this word is a “primary particle” that assigns “a reason” and is used in argument for “explanation” or “intensification.” The reason that “no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation” is because “prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (emp. added). The word “for” connects the two thoughts. Peter is saying that the prophets did not invent what they wrote; rather, they were guided by the Holy Spirit (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16-17). No doubt this is why the NIV reads: “No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20, emp. added)—not the reader’s interpretation.

Furthermore, according to Mounce’s Analytical Greek Lexicon of the New Testament (1993), the Greek word epilusis (translated “interpretation” in 2 Peter 1:20) means primarily “a loosing” or “liberation.” The stem of epilusis is luo, and means literally “to loosen, unbind, unfasten” (p. 305). Therefore, “no prophecy of Scripture” ever was released, loosed, or given out by the prophets’ own inventions. They did not put their own “interpretation” on God’s message; instead, the Holy Spirit guided them. Thus, this passage has no reference to present-day interpreters of the text, but rather to those who wrote it—i.e., the prophets or apostles (cf. Ephesians 3:5).

 

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2 Peter 1:10 says Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Is Private Interpretation Possible?

Who cares about Peter?
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That's wrong. He didn't.
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If a person could be good enough to make it to heaven on their own merit, why did God the Father, the creator of all there is on heaven and on earth, permit his own innocent son Jesus to be falsely accused, shamefully and painfully mistreated, and nailed to a Roman cross to die? He suffered and died because death and eternal separation from him, is the consequences for sin.

 

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Following God means putting God's will above our own desires. People lie to get, money, sex, or power. The Apostles got none of those things. Harvard Law Professor Coverts To Christianity After Trying To Disprove Resurrection Of Jesus | Reasons for Jesus

Do you know how many martyrs there are in different religions? Do you know how many martyrs there are in Judaism alone, one of the most persecuted religions of the last 2000 years? Do you know that martyrism in Judaism existed long before Jesus? Of course Peter and Paul had some notion of dying for a cause they believed in, and certainly one that would offer up a big reward post-death. This proves nothing.

People don't like hearing that they are sinners and Jesus is our Creator and Savior . What Makes a Christian Martyr Different from Other Faiths’ Martyr

True. It's not fun listening to claims that the Torah is false.

 

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If a person could be good enough to make it to heaven on their own merit, why did God the Father, the creator of all there is on heaven and on earth, permit his own innocent son Jesus to be falsely accused, shamefully and painfully mistreated, and nailed to a Roman cross to die? He suffered and died because death and eternal separation from him, is the consequences for sin.

He didn't.
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He didn't.
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I imagine teaching high schoolers makes one either crazy or amazingly calm and patient. I’m glad in your case, and for our benefit, it is the latter.

 

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I imagine teaching high schoolers makes one either crazy or amazingly calm and patient. I’m glad in your case, and for our benefit, it is the latter.

I would suggest that it is difficult to tell the difference.

 

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He didn't.
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The Scriptures write in Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:10-12 writes There is none righteous, no, not one. The Old Testament mentions eternal separation from God. The Second Death

There is much debate over the word "hell," but a careful study of the Bible leaves no doubt as to it's true meaning. Psalm 9:17 warns, "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." This Scripture PROVES that "hell" is not just the grave. If "hell" were only referring to the "grave," then why would God say that the wicked shall be turned into hell? Do not also the righteous go to the same grave, if "hell" just means grave? As you can see, the Bible would make no sense if "hell" were just the grave. God warns that the wicked shall be turned into hell, meaning fire and torment.

 

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The Scriptures write in Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:10-12 writes There is none righteous, no, not one. The Old Testament mentions eternal separation from God. The Second Death

Who cares abou Romans?
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Who cares abou Romans?
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The Bible is the only book that talks about God's love for us and our sinful nature. Christianity is the only belief system that shows how much God loves His creation. God died for every single person to pay the price for their sin. Hell Inside The Earth - by David J. Stewart

The Bible describes man's wickedness and sin nature to a "t." No other book upon the earth addresses the sinfulness of mankind as does the Bible...

 

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Do you know how many martyrs there are in different religions? Do you know how many martyrs there are in Judaism alone, one of the most persecuted religions of the last 2000 years? Do you know that martyrism in Judaism existed long before Jesus? Of course Peter and Paul had some notion of dying for a cause they believed in, and certainly one that would offer up a big reward post-death. This proves nothing.

True. It's not fun listening to claims that the Torah is false.

Following Jesus is not convenient. It involves being humble. Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

65% Japanese Don't Believe IN God

According to Missionary Director, Dr. Minoru Okuyama, the reason why less than 1% of Japanese profess Christianity is because the Japanese people value relationships more than truth or principles. No one wants to disrupt the harmony in their family and community. In contrast, countries like China and Korea have been more receptive to Christianity because in those nations the people value truth and principles more.

Jesus said in Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

 

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Following Jesus is not convenient

It most certainly is convenient when you're too poor to pay the guard at the entrance of the study hall or too unlearned to actually understand anything, but still want some spirituality in your life.

 

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It most certainly is convenient when you're too poor to pay the guard at the entrance of the study hall or too unlearned to actually understand anything, but still want some spirituality in your life.

Study halls mention Buddhism and Hinduism too. What does Christianity have to do with study halls?