Why the theory of evolution is so important

[We Never Know]

With George we do have several independent sources that tell us of him. Not so with the Bible. There are probably other sources for the claim that he crossed the Delaware. If that book was the only source that made that claim then its reliability would be in question. Do you think that is the only source for that? I don't. Also the amount of evidence required depends upon the claims that are made. If you said that you bought a dog I would accept your claim. If you said that you bought a dog that flies and knows the alphabet I would demand something just a little bit more substantial.

The bible has several sources, has been around for over 2000 years, etc.
The bible is told and passed down stories. I don't discredit something only because it's a book. Much of history is only in books and writings and stories.

However there is no evidence of a great flood, creation, talking animals, water to wine, etc but what's in that book.

 

[We Never Know]

With George we do have several independent sources that tell us of him. Not so with the Bible. There are probably other sources for the claim that he crossed the Delaware. If that book was the only source that made that claim then its reliability would be in question. Do you think that is the only source for that? I don't. Also the amount of evidence required depends upon the claims that are made. If you said that you bought a dog I would accept your claim. If you said that you bought a dog that flies and knows the alphabet I would demand something just a little bit more substantial.

Can we discredit all these because they are books?

10 of the Oldest Known Surviving Books in the World

 

[We Never Know]

With George we do have several independent sources that tell us of him. Not so with the Bible. There are probably other sources for the claim that he crossed the Delaware. If that book was the only source that made that claim then its reliability would be in question. Do you think that is the only source for that? I don't. Also the amount of evidence required depends upon the claims that are made. If you said that you bought a dog I would accept your claim. If you said that you bought a dog that flies and knows the alphabet I would demand something just a little bit more substantial.

If the story states John Doe 1000 years ago bought a dog that flies, common sense would have us deny the flying right off. However we couldn't even show John Doe had bought a dog or even had a dog.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The bible has several sources, has been around for over 2000 years, etc.
The bible is told and passed down stories. I don't discredit something only because it's a book. Much of history is only in books and writings and stories.

However there is no evidence of a great flood, creation, talking animals, water to wine, etc but what's in that book.

The Bible is one source. Especially the Christian version. It did go through a "pasteurization" process where contradicting books were rejected and destroyed. When one looks at outside source much of what it has is contradicted. That is why if the Bible alone claims something that I do not give it much credence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can we discredit all these because they are books?

10 of the Oldest Known Surviving Books in the World

You are not following the conversation.

 

[We Never Know]

You are not following the conversation.

Someone said the bible isn't evidence because it's a book. I said much evidence of history is in writings and books. We can't discredit something solely because it's a book.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Someone said the bible isn't evidence because it's a book. I said much evidence of history is in writings and books. We can't discredit something solely because it's a book.

Actually since the Bible is the object being discussed it is rather difficult for it to be evidence for itself. Just as one would not take the testimony of an accused murderer on its own as evidence of his innocence one would not take the Bible on its own as evidence for the Bible. If the word of the accused says one thing "I didn't do nothing (which is actually an admission of guilt)" and the evidence says otherwise we would convict. If the Bible says "everything was created by a magic spell and then a bunch more magic was done" and the evidence says otherwise, we would go with the evidence.

 

[We Never Know]

Actually since the Bible is the object being discussed it is rather difficult for it to be evidence for itself. Just as one would not take the testimony of an accused murderer on its own as evidence of his innocence one would not take the Bible on its own as evidence for the Bible. If the word of the accused says one thing "I didn't do nothing (which is actually an admission of guilt)" and the evidence says otherwise we would convict. If the Bible says "everything was created by a magic spell and then a bunch more magic was done" and the evidence says otherwise, we would go with the evidence.

I already covered that in post #441

 

[We Never Know]

Actually since the Bible is the object being discussed it is rather difficult for it to be evidence for itself. Just as one would not take the testimony of an accused murderer on its own as evidence of his innocence one would not take the Bible on its own as evidence for the Bible. If the word of the accused says one thing "I didn't do nothing (which is actually an admission of guilt)" and the evidence says otherwise we would convict. If the Bible says "everything was created by a magic spell and then a bunch more magic was done" and the evidence says otherwise, we would go with the evidence.

Plus in post 435, I already stated

Here's what I'm saying. Much of history that we do know comes from books/writings/stories.
The bible is writings/stories but that doesn't make it true.

Back in 1973 one of my favorite books/movies was "Walking Tall". It was based on a true story but not all of it was true. Like any story there are parts exaggerated. I don't think I've ever read a true story that wasn't exaggerated. However we got the overall story.

 

[Seve]

Actually since the Bible is the object being discussed it is rather difficult for it to be evidence for itself. Just as one would not take the testimony of an accused murderer on its own as evidence of his innocence one would not take the Bible on its own as evidence for the Bible. If the word of the accused says one thing "I didn't do nothing (which is actually an admission of guilt)" and the evidence says otherwise we would convict. If the Bible says "everything was created by a magic spell and then a bunch more magic was done" and the evidence says otherwise, we would go with the evidence.

ONLY God could have possibly Authored the Book of Genesis and got all the scientific details correct. No man of 3k years ago could have correctly told us the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. (Gen. 2:4) That Adam, the first human was made long BEFORE our Solar system was made, (Gen. 2:4-7)... that every living creature, except humans, was created and brought forth from the water on Day 5, some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Only God knew and correctly showed that we live in a Multiverse. Gen. 1:6-8 and Gen. 2:4

Then, God gives us the Formula for passing Adam's superior intelligence to early man. When you mix the sons of god (Prehistoric man whose ERVs came from the common ancestor of Apes) and the descendants of Adam, today's modern humans are the offspring. That is HOW human civilization was spread to the whole Earth. Genesis 6:4

This event happened on the FIRST Heaven/Earth and it also happened on our present Earth when Noah's grandsons found - like Cain - that they had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced today's humans with the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived. This reveals that we will find life throughout the Universe where we find liquid water.

To be specific about ERVs, they show that prehistoric man did evolve from the common ancestor of Apes.....BUT....Humans did NOT. Humans were made billions of years BEFORE prehistoric man proving that we did Not evolve from any Ape. Humans are the descendants of Adam. Only Adam's descendants and God have the highest form of intelligence. Gen. 3;22

The Theory of Evolution is opposite of God's Truth and reveals that mankind will dream up anything in order to avoid facing God's Truth that ever man is appointed once to die and after that the Judgment. God is real and evolution is nothing more than Adaptation. Godless men have twisted scientific facts and are currently teaching their religious foolishness to our children. They don't believe God now, but soon, their knees will bow. That's God's Truth about ERVs. Refute it at your own peril for God is not mocked.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ONLY God could have possibly Authored the Book of Genesis and got all the scientific details correct. No man of 3k years ago could have correctly told us the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. (Gen. 2:4) That Adam, the first human was made long BEFORE our Solar system was made, (Gen. 2:4-7)... that every living creature, except humans, was created and brought forth from the water on Day 5, some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Only God knew and correctly showed that we live in a Multiverse. Gen. 1:6-8 and Gen. 2:4

Then, God gives us the Formula for passing Adam's superior intelligence to early man. When you mix the sons of god (Prehistoric man whose ERVs came from the common ancestor of Apes) and the descendants of Adam, today's modern humans are the offspring. That is HOW human civilization was spread to the whole Earth. Genesis 6:4

This event happened on the FIRST Heaven/Earth and it also happened on our present Earth when Noah's grandsons found - like Cain - that they had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced today's humans with the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived. This reveals that we will find life throughout the Universe where we find liquid water.

To be specific about ERVs, they show that prehistoric man did evolve from the common ancestor of Apes.....BUT....Humans did NOT. Humans were made billions of years BEFORE prehistoric man proving that we did Not evolve from any Ape. Humans are the descendants of Adam. Only Adam's descendants and God have the highest form of intelligence. Gen. 3;22

The Theory of Evolution is opposite of God's Truth and reveals that mankind will dream up anything in order to avoid facing God's Truth that ever man is appointed once to die and after that the Judgment. God is real and evolution is nothing more than Adaptation. Godless men have twisted scientific facts and are currently teaching their religious foolishness to our children. They don't believe God now, but soon, their knees will bow. That's God's Truth about ERVs. Refute it at your own peril for God is not mocked.

Instant fail. Genesis is full of errors. That is why we know it to be myth.

And your views need to be supported by evidence, though you do not seem to understand the concept.

 

[Seve]

Instant fail. Genesis is full of errors. That is why we know it to be myth.

And your views need to be supported by evidence, though you do not seem to understand the concept.

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Those Chimps have been trained by humans to play the game. The Chimps are NOT showing human intelligence because they did NOT inherit the human intelligence of Adam, no matter what games they play. IF Chimps were humans, they could type us a post and tell us how to play the game. ALL intelligence is invisible since it happens in the innermost parts of the brain which mankind has NOT yet understood.

You either have human intelligence or you do not. ALL humans on Earth today have inherited the human intelligence of Adam because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) who was created and brought forth from the water, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago. Cain did the SAME on the first world which was destroyed in the Flood.

That is How and When prehistoric man evolved human intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, sexually and intellectually (Gen 6:1-4). It's the ONLY way to get it, since you MUST be descended from Adam, and NOT evolved from some Ape, which is NOT human and NEVER will be.

I have thoroughly refuted the silly ideas that we evolved from some unknown, common ancestor of Chimps and Humans no matter what Godless men tell us about ERVs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

**mod edit**

Those Chimps have been trained by humans to play the game. The Chimps are NOT showing human intelligence because they did NOT inherit the human intelligence of Adam, no matter what games they play. IF Chimps were humans, they could type us a post and tell us how to play the game. ALL intelligence is invisible since it happens in the innermost parts of the brain which mankind has NOT yet understood.

You either have human intelligence or you do not. ALL humans on Earth today have inherited the human intelligence of Adam because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) who was created and brought forth from the water, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago. Cain did the SAME on the first world which was destroyed in the Flood.

That is How and When prehistoric man evolved human intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, sexually and intellectually (Gen 6:1-4). It's the ONLY way to get it, since you MUST be descended from Adam, and NOT evolved from some Ape, which is NOT human and NEVER will be.

I have thoroughly refuted the silly ideas that we evolved from some unknown, common ancestor of Chimps and Humans no matter what Godless men tell us about ERVs.

I am sorry but you need a lot more than an inability to understand articles that refute your beliefs.

And it is a lie to claim that you refuted anything. People here could help you to learn it you really wanted to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

**mod edit**

Those Chimps have been trained by humans to play the game. The Chimps are NOT showing human intelligence because they did NOT inherit the human intelligence of Adam, no matter what games they play. IF Chimps were humans, they could type us a post and tell us how to play the game. ALL intelligence is invisible since it happens in the innermost parts of the brain which mankind has NOT yet understood.

You either have human intelligence or you do not. ALL humans on Earth today have inherited the human intelligence of Adam because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) who was created and brought forth from the water, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago. Cain did the SAME on the first world which was destroyed in the Flood.

That is How and When prehistoric man evolved human intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, sexually and intellectually (Gen 6:1-4). It's the ONLY way to get it, since you MUST be descended from Adam, and NOT evolved from some Ape, which is NOT human and NEVER will be.

I have thoroughly refuted the silly ideas that we evolved from some unknown, common ancestor of Chimps and Humans no matter what Godless men tell us about ERVs.

I am sorry but you need a lot more than an inability to understand articles that refute your beliefs.

And it is a lie to claim that you refuted anything. People here could help you to learn it you really wanted to.

 

[Seve]

I am sorry but you need a lot more than an inability to understand articles that refute your beliefs.

And it is a lie to claim that you refuted anything. People here could help you to learn it you really wanted to.

There is no such "Article" that have refuted my Biblical Stand directly, since, my doctrinal teachings are not a traditional view nor a popular belief by many others... That another blatant LIE to assume without a link to prove your claim. Perhaps, that another misdirection because you have nothing to show for a rebuttal, because, you remain IGNORANT of God's Truth, written in the Scripture.

If you disagree, then tell us How and When mindless nature changed Apes into humans and WHY there are NO TRAITS of modern humans for the past 195k years, until some 10k years ago, when the first Farmers arrived, in the mountains of Ararat.

Since ALL natural animals live in the wild and chase other creatures and sleep in whatever hole they can find, tell us WHY man waited until Noah arrived before he settled down, built himself a house, and planted something to eat so he wouldn't have to live like an animal anymore.

That's NOT my Truth. It's in Scripture. It's God's Holy Word, whether you believe it or not. Noah was the FIRST human to step foot on this present "Planet of Apes" (Evol's Term)

Noah DID NOT evolve from any Ape and he does NOT have the common ancestor of Chimps and humans. Noah's common ancestor was Adam, and Adam had the superior intelligence which is like God's. ONLY Adam and his descendants have this intelligence level which is higher than ANY other living creature. It's because humans are destined to have dominion over EVERY other creature in Heaven. Genesis 1:28.

That's God's Truth, which is impossible to refute. Go ahead and try,

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no such "Article" that have refuted my Biblical Stand directly, since, my doctrinal teachings are not a traditional view nor a popular belief by many others... That another blatant LIE to assume without a link to prove your claim. Perhaps, that another misdirection because you have nothing to show for a rebuttal, because, you remain IGNORANT of God's Truth, written in the Scripture.

If you disagree, then tell us How and When mindless nature changed Apes into humans and WHY there are NO TRAITS of modern humans for the past 195k years, until some 10k years ago, when the first Farmers arrived, in the mountains of Ararat.

Since ALL natural animals live in the wild and chase other creatures and sleep in whatever hole they can find, tell us WHY man waited until Noah arrived before he settled down, built himself a house, and planted something to eat so he wouldn't have to live like an animal anymore.

That's NOT my Truth. It's in Scripture. It's God's Holy Word, whether you believe it or not. Noah was the FIRST human to step foot on this present "Planet of Apes" (Evol's Term)

Noah DID NOT evolve from any Ape and he does NOT have the common ancestor of Chimps and humans. Noah's common ancestor was Adam, and Adam had the superior intelligence which is like God's. ONLY Adam and his descendants have this intelligence level which is higher than ANY other living creature. It's because humans are destined to have dominion over EVERY other creature in Heaven. Genesis 1:28.

That's God's Truth, which is impossible to refute. Go ahead and try,

Of course there are. But until you understand the basics of science there is no chance at all tht you can understand the various articles that you do not understand.

Other apes aren't mindless. You should know that. There is not that much difference between one of their minds and yours. Remember, you are an ape too. You should not be so quick to insult your brothers.

And of course your history is terribly flawed.

If you refuse to learn you will never realize how embarrassingly wrong that you are.

 

[shunyadragon]

What are these scientists dissenting about the Theory of Evolution?

They say that non-life could not make living things.
It would take a living thing to make another living thing.

Non-life does not 'make' living things, and this foolishly anthropomorphic. Life evolved from non-life in what is called abiogenesis, and at present it is the only viable hypothesis based on the evidence.

 

[shunyadragon]

The bible has several sources, has been around for over 2000 years, etc.

. . . and not much older in its present form.

The bible is told and passed down stories.

True

I don't discredit something only because it's a book.

Neither do I.

Much of history is only in books and writings and stories.

No, most of history is cross-referenced from different sources, such as archaeology, and geology. First witness writings such as books (?) have not been around that long.

However there is no evidence of a great flood, creation, talking animals, water to wine, etc but what's in that book.

True.

 

[Polymath257]

ONLY God could have possibly Authored the Book of Genesis and got all the scientific details correct. No man of 3k years ago could have correctly told us the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. (Gen. 2:4) That Adam, the first human was made long BEFORE our Solar system was made, (Gen. 2:4-7)... that every living creature, except humans, was created and brought forth from the water on Day 5, some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Only God knew and correctly showed that we live in a Multiverse. Gen. 1:6-8 and Gen. 2:4

Does it hurt to stretch that much?

Nothing in Genesis mentions the Big Bang, the solar system, or a multiverse. How you get those out of the text is way beyond me.

 

[shunyadragon]

**mod edit**

Those Chimps have been trained by humans to play the game. The Chimps are NOT showing human intelligence because they did NOT inherit the human intelligence of Adam, no matter what games they play. IF Chimps were humans, they could type us a post and tell us how to play the game. ALL intelligence is invisible since it happens in the innermost parts of the brain which mankind has NOT yet understood.

The major contemporary research concerning chimpanzees and other primates is done in the wild, not in captivity.