Why the west leaving the Christainity ?

[839311]

is this a consequnce of modernity (technologie )
it's consequnce of secularism ( religion get away from the politics )
or it's the consequence that the Bible contian errors (edited by human )

I think it comes down to education. People who learn about evolution, the big bang, astronomy, genetics, biology, anthropology, geology - people like this are far less likely to be religious. Why? Because the facts of reality point to a much different picture than the one portrayed in the bible. And, ofcourse, the bible doesn't make any sense when studied objectively and considered by an open mind. How can someone being tortured and sacrificed take away anyones sins? Doesn't make sense. Why would the most intelligent being in the universe, who would be aware that our imperfections are much the result of flawed genetics, send people to hell, or otherwise reject them? Doesn't make sense. Whats with animal sacrifices? Doesn't make sense. How could faith be the most important criteria that determines whether God will accept or reject you? That, does not make any sense at all. Rational thinking trumps faith any day. In short, the concept of the Abrahamic God as described in the bible doesn't make sense. Thats why I know its not true, and why more and more people don't take the bible seriously.

 

[Godobeyer]

I think it comes down to education. People who learn about evolution, the big bang, astronomy, genetics, biology, anthropology, geology - people like this are far less likely to be religious. Why? Because the facts of reality point to a much different picture than the one portrayed in the bible. And, ofcourse, the bible doesn't make any sense when studied objectively and considered by an open mind. How can someone being tortured and sacrificed take away anyones sins? Doesn't make sense. Why would the most intelligent being in the universe, who would be aware that our imperfections are much the result of flawed genetics, send people to hell, or otherwise reject them? Doesn't make sense. Whats with animal sacrifices? Doesn't make sense. How could faith be the most important criteria that determines whether God will accept or reject you? That, does not make any sense at all. Rational thinking trumps faith any day. In short, the concept of the Abrahamic God as described in the bible doesn't make sense. Thats why I know its not true, and why more and more people don't take the bible seriously.

good point you post here . i guess the science is have double factor , maybe it's make some too religeous , and maybe some others deny the religion , i guess more the christians whom leave the christianity , because of this sentence (had no sense ) , they believe inside their seflves that the Bible ,it's just lies or blah blah .... the paradoxe here , insipte the developement and technologie in the west and media with make muslims terrosites , we found more people convert to Islam !!!

 

[839311]

the paradoxe here , insipte the developement and technologie in the west and media with make muslims terrosites , we found more people convert to Islam !!!

You mean westerners converting to Islam? I doubt theres many at all. I personally don't know a single person. Islam and Christianity are very similar to each other. If Christianity isn't good enough for people, why would Islam be good enough?

 

[Godobeyer]

Not really. The god of Americans is becoming sex more and more. When you hear people complain about Christianity, the strict sexual laws are usually at the top of the list. Often times, that's all the list is comprised of

that's true , it's not only in America , it's globle adultery companies , which want to make all the world naked and make the sex in the roads . (in public )
it's strategy to make the humans not less than animals .
i always told the people here that the women in the west became like a goods in the supermarket .
that's why they use her body in every publications , even it's PUB about the men stuff !!!

 

[Koldaramor]

I think it comes down to education. People who learn about evolution, the big bang, astronomy, genetics, biology, anthropology, geology - people like this are far less likely to be religious. Why? Because the facts of reality point to a much different picture than the one portrayed in the bible. And, ofcourse, the bible doesn't make any sense when studied objectively and considered by an open mind. How can someone being tortured and sacrificed take away anyones sins? Doesn't make sense. Why would the most intelligent being in the universe, who would be aware that our imperfections are much the result of flawed genetics, send people to hell, or otherwise reject them? Doesn't make sense. Whats with animal sacrifices? Doesn't make sense. How could faith be the most important criteria that determines whether God will accept or reject you? That, does not make any sense at all. Rational thinking trumps faith any day. In short, the concept of the Abrahamic God as described in the bible doesn't make sense. Thats why I know its not true, and why more and more people don't take the bible seriously.

Very true. Christians and Muslims, you make the science more than religion did not succeed under pressure.

The Western world gave up religion and science has advanced.

The world is still under pressure from Muslims religion, with the difference between the west occurred.

 

[Godobeyer]

You mean westerners converting to Islam? I doubt theres many at all. I personally don't know a single person. Islam and Christianity are very similar to each other. If Christianity isn't good enough for people, why would Islam be good enough?

what about the reports that i posted here in this thread ?
as you told the the Christians leave it's because the bibles context had no sense .

 

[mycorrhiza]

that's true , it's not only in America , it's globle adultery companies , which want to make all the world naked and make the sex in the roads . (in public )

What?

Except for a few hippies, I doubt that many people think everyone should be naked in the streets.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

that's true , it's not only in America , it's globle adultery companies , which want to make all the world naked and make the sex in the roads . (in public )
it's strategy to make the humans not less than animals .
i always told the people here that the women in the west became like a goods in the supermarket .
that's why they use her body in every publications , even it's PUB about the men stuff !!!

I've become convinced that many of these "atheists" and "agnostics" simply reject God because they want to indulge in the sexual behaviors forbidden to them and only afterward try to justify their behavior by saying God doesn't exist.

 

[mycorrhiza]

I've become convinced that many of these "atheists" and "agnostics" simply reject God because they want to indulge in the sexual behaviors forbidden to them and only afterward try to justify their behavior by saying God doesn't exist.

What made you draw that conclusion?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

What made you draw that conclusion?

You have to read between the lines of what people are saying to make that judgement. Keep in mind that the type of person I'm talking about probably isn't even being honest with themselves so you're going to have to read between the lines. I listen to the gripes they have about Christianity. Sex is usually number one and often the only complaint. I see the respect most people have for Jesus' teachings that aren't regarding sexual behavior. I see how often couples engaged in fornication come to church once they get married.

 

[839311]

what about the reports that i posted here in this thread ?
as you told the the Christians leave it's because the bibles context had no sense .

The video that mentions 2 westerners? 2 people isn't exactly a lot.

I havn't seen any useful information here regarding westerners converting to Islam. As I see it, there are barely any westerners converting to Islam. Again, why would they convert to Islam if Christianity isn't good enough for them? Buddhism, on the other hand, I've noticed gets a lot of converts from among westerners. Islam just has nothing new to offer the western world, which to a great extent has already dismissed Christianity.

I honestly don't see much of a future for the Abrahamic religions in the west, and ultimately, the world. I think they will continue to shrink in size, perhaps until they fade away entirely in a few hundred years.

 

[Sunstone]

How big has the decrease in Christians been in America? I found that, between 1990 and 2008, the percent of people who identified themselves as Christians dropped about ten basis points -- from 86% of the population down to 76% of the population.

1990 to 2008 saw the political rise of Christian Fundamentalism in America. I can't prove it, but I would be willing to gamble that a significant proportion of the decline in Christianity is the result of people getting sick and tired of Fundamentalists.

 

[Sunstone]

A while back, I read an article that said most of the Americans who are currently converting to Islam are Hispanic women. I forget why, though.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Not really. The god of Americans is becoming sex more and more. When you hear people complain about Christianity, the strict sexual laws are usually at the top of the list. Often times, that's all the list is comprised of

that's true , it's not only in America , it's globle adultery companies , which want to make all the world naked and make the sex in the roads . (in public )
it's strategy to make the humans not less than animals .
i always told the people here that the women in the west became like a goods in the supermarket .
that's why they use her body in every publications , even it's PUB about the men stuff !!!

I've become convinced that many of these "atheists" and "agnostics" simply reject God because they want to indulge in the sexual behaviors forbidden to them and only afterward try to justify their behavior by saying God doesn't exist.

You have to read between the lines of what people are saying to make that judgement. Keep in mind that the type of person I'm talking about probably isn't even being honest with themselves so you're going to have to read between the lines. I listen to the gripes they have about Christianity. Sex is usually number one and often the only complaint. I see the respect most people have for Jesus' teachings that aren't regarding sexual behavior. I see how often couples engaged in fornication come to church once they get married.

Sounds like a couple of people have a bit of an infatuation with others sex lives.

Agnostics and atheists have the lowest divorce rates in America.

Barna survey: Baptists have highest divorce rate

 

[839311]

How big has the decrease in Christians been in America? I found that, between 1990 and 2008, the percent of people who identified themselves as Christians dropped about ten basis points -- from 86% of the population down to 76% of the population.

In another 18 years, I would be willing to bet that the % will drop by more than 10%. I would say that by 2026 the percentage will be somewhere between 50%-60%.

1990 to 2008 saw the political rise of Christian Fundamentalism in America. I can't prove it, but I would be willing to gamble that a significant proportion of the decline in Christianity is the result of people getting sick and tired of Fundamentalists.

Especially some of the televangelists out there. Some of them are unbereable to watch, with their emotional outbursts and emphasis on "THE LORD!", and every second sentence its praise Jesus this, Amen that... I can see a lot of people being turned away from Christianity by watching them.

 

[mycorrhiza]

You have to read between the lines of what people are saying to make that judgement. Keep in mind that the type of person I'm talking about probably isn't even being honest with themselves so you're going to have to read between the lines. I listen to the gripes they have about Christianity. Sex is usually number one and often the only complaint. I see the respect most people have for Jesus' teachings that aren't regarding sexual behavior. I see how often couples engaged in fornication come to church once they get married.

Maybe they can't believe in a God that imposes rules on sex between consenting adults?
A few probably are like that, but I doubt that it's very many.

Not being allowed to have premarital sex isn't the main reason I've heard from atheists why they left Christianity. So I guess the stories vary. Try listening to what they're saying rather than trying to read between the lines. Their reasons might be different than you percieve them.

 

[839311]

By 2044 the percentage of americans who are Christians I'll predict will be between 20%-30%. Just an educated guess based on the patterns of many other western countries like France and Sweden.

 

[Sunstone]

Especially some of the televangelists out there. Some of them are unbereable to watch, with their emotional outbursts and emphasis on "THE LORD!", and every second sentence its praise Jesus this, Amen that... I can see a lot of people being turned away from Christianity by watching them.

I know more Fundamentalists who have left Christianity (usually to become atheists) than I know more liberal Christians who have left Christianity. But there could be all sorts of reasons why I know more Fundamentalists. My personal experience is not necessarily a good guide to what's going on.

 

[839311]

I know more Fundamentalists who have left Christianity (usually to become atheists) than I know more liberal Christians who have left Christianity. But there could be all sorts of reasons why I know more Fundamentalists. My personal experience is not necessarily a good guide to what's going on.

I would have expected it to be the other way around. I think fundamentalists are generally more closed-minded than liberal Christians. On the other hand, the fundamenalist world view makes a lot less sense than the liberal worldview, so the fundamentalist's faith may be more likely to suddenly collapse, like a jenga structure if you pull out the wrong piece.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Sounds like a couple of people have a bit of an infatuation with others sex lives.

Agnostics and atheists have the lowest divorce rates in America.

Barna survey: Baptists have highest divorce rate

Yeah I'm infatuated with people's sex lives because I stress how big of a component it is in people's spiritual lives.