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Why there are Always More Conservatives than Liberals?

work in progress

Well-Known Member
I think isolation has a lot to do with it. If you live in a homogeneous society, you are not likely to be open to new ideas.

Take foreign travel. It's estimated that less than 50% of USians have a passport, but about 80% of Britons (who only need one to travel outside the EU!). And the most liberal states in the US are those with the most passport holders:
How Many Americans Have A Passport? | TheExpeditioner Travel Site
That's true, and I think it is also part of the liberal/conservative divide between city dwellers and rural/suburbanites.
I don't know if it was just a coincidence, but it seems that starting a family near age 30 and buying a home in the suburbs coincided with a shift in my politics to the right, and a greater aversion to non-whites and people who looked poor and unkept. When our economic fortunes changed (my wife having to quit working), the transition to one-income household made the move to an older city neighborhood inevitable. But in retrospect, it was the best thing that happened for me! It eliminated the financial albatross of a high mortgage, and I noticed my thinking on a lot of issues started shifting back to where I was in my youth. Today, I am likely more radical than I was at 18 on most issues.

One thing I am sure of is that when it comes to the hysteria generated on the right about Muslims and immigrants from Latin America or Asia, you are more inclined to fall for the propaganda if you live in an isolated, all-white community than if you live in a multicultural community, and actually meet people who are from the places the right is trying to scare us about!
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think isolation has a lot to do with it. If you live in a homogeneous society, you are not likely to be open to new ideas.

Take foreign travel. It's estimated that less than 50% of USians have a passport, but about 80% of Britons (who only need one to travel outside the EU!). And the most liberal states in the US are those with the most passport holders:
How Many Americans Have A Passport? | TheExpeditioner Travel Site

I hate to say this, but Americans in general are terribly parochial, typically only paying attention to international affairs or ideas when something massive breaks lose. Our t.v. news is pablum at best, and their main focus is entertainment, not real news.

On top of this, Americans tend to not be willing to pay attention to details, so anything that's remotely complicated escapes most of us. Instead, we want simple answers-- but make sure you also keep it as brief as possible.

I read not that long ago that most high schools here no longer have any required world history or world cultures classes, so don't ask us where anything is or how people live elsewhere.

Wanna see what really gets us going? Watch ESPN. If most Americans watch serious news sources as much as they watch sports, we'd be total geniuses.

BTW, whatever you do, don't ask us to read anything that's serious. Ya, we can buy all sorts of hunting, car, and "self-improvement" magazines, but don't expect us to read Scientific American or Time. Are you kidding-- they ain't entertaining enough!
 

work in progress

Well-Known Member
I hate to say this, but Americans in general are terribly parochial, typically only paying attention to international affairs or ideas when something massive breaks lose. Our t.v. news is pablum at best, and their main focus is entertainment, not real news.
Back about 15 years ago, when I got to know some new neighbors who were originally from Guatemala and El Salvador respectively, I got an education in the so called dirty wars conducted by paramilitary death squads, trained and financed by the U.S. Government. I had heard bits and pieces of war crimes committed under the regime of Rios Montt...an evangelical Christian and close friend of Pat Robertson, but these stories and others about The Disappeared in Chile and Argentina, all committed by proxies of U.S. administrations, hardly made the news. They were typically explained away as stopping the spread of communism, and the Catholic Church under JPII acted as a co-conspirator in the suppression of populist, leftwing priests and clerics all across Latin America in the 80's and 90's.

This was all just one aspect of how the USA became an empire in everything but name after WWII. England was upfront about it's imperialism, while the U.S. used the more subtle tactic of establishing banana republic dictators and controlling trade, banking and money supply through their own version of gunboat diplomacy!

Until the fall of the Soviet Union, a lot of this subversion and maneuvering was excused as fighting communism; but what about afterwards? What has the U.S. done since the fall of the Soviet Union and the conversion of China's economy to Neoliberal capitalism? They still have the proxy dictators, they still control international banking and trade, and they still use their oversized military forces as the stopgap, if smaller nations go rogue and try to break away from the New World Order.

A lot of the reason why Americans are clued out to the fact that they have benefited economically from the trappings of empire and exploiting most of the rest of the world, is because it is a subject only found on the radical left and libertarian fringes of American media. It is never part of the mainstream discussion of either conservatives or liberals, because the liberals only seek to make the empire less ruthless, not to abolish it!
 

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
I get the impression the mainstream American news media is as subserviant and compliant as China. A supine press is a sure sign of a subjugated society.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I get the impression the mainstream American news media is as subserviant and compliant as China. A supine press is a sure sign of a subjugated society.

Explain why is it that the majority of the written press and broadcast/cable press is left of center. Therefore it would seem to mandate that there were more liberal/progressives than conservatives.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Back about 15 years ago, when I got to know some new neighbors who were originally from Guatemala and El Salvador respectively, I got an education in the so called dirty wars conducted by paramilitary death squads, trained and financed by the U.S. Government. I had heard bits and pieces of war crimes committed under the regime of Rios Montt...an evangelical Christian and close friend of Pat Robertson, but these stories and others about The Disappeared in Chile and Argentina, all committed by proxies of U.S. administrations, hardly made the news. They were typically explained away as stopping the spread of communism, and the Catholic Church under JPII acted as a co-conspirator in the suppression of populist, leftwing priests and clerics all across Latin America in the 80's and 90's.

This was all just one aspect of how the USA became an empire in everything but name after WWII. England was upfront about it's imperialism, while the U.S. used the more subtle tactic of establishing banana republic dictators and controlling trade, banking and money supply through their own version of gunboat diplomacy!

Until the fall of the Soviet Union, a lot of this subversion and maneuvering was excused as fighting communism; but what about afterwards? What has the U.S. done since the fall of the Soviet Union and the conversion of China's economy to Neoliberal capitalism? They still have the proxy dictators, they still control international banking and trade, and they still use their oversized military forces as the stopgap, if smaller nations go rogue and try to break away from the New World Order.

A lot of the reason why Americans are clued out to the fact that they have benefited economically from the trappings of empire and exploiting most of the rest of the world, is because it is a subject only found on the radical left and libertarian fringes of American media. It is never part of the mainstream discussion of either conservatives or liberals, because the liberals only seek to make the empire less ruthless, not to abolish it!

I fully agree with you, and you would have been probably interested in a conversation I had in the late 1980's with a Catholic priest who was the pastor of the two lay missionaries and two nuns who were raped and killed by death squads in El Salvador that were sponsored by the government there-- a government that we supported. The State Department under Reagan never even ask him any questions dealing with that case even though the guys who committed this atrocity were clearly connected to the government, which was easily established after their government was out of power.

The priest also got into how we were leaving weapons there for that terribly oppressive government even though it was against U.S. law to do so. The reality is that we were supporting oppression, and doing so because many of the companies there had U.S. connections.
 

work in progress

Well-Known Member
I fully agree with you, and you would have been probably interested in a conversation I had in the late 1980's with a Catholic priest who was the pastor of the two lay missionaries and two nuns who were raped and killed by death squads in El Salvador that were sponsored by the government there-- a government that we supported. The State Department under Reagan never even ask him any questions dealing with that case even though the guys who committed this atrocity were clearly connected to the government, which was easily established after their government was out of power.

The priest also got into how we were leaving weapons there for that terribly oppressive government even though it was against U.S. law to do so. The reality is that we were supporting oppression, and doing so because many of the companies there had U.S. connections.
Yes, I had heard a little of these stories, because I paid a little more attention to the news than most people back in the 80's, but I think the real difference for me was hearing about the death squads that cleared Mayan rural villages from northwest Guatemala directly from someone who lived it....someone who, at age 13 was woken in the middle of the night and had to flee with most of his family into the jungle ahead of armed mercenaries bent on raping and killing any stragglers. Think about this next time you hear that term: counter-insurgency - this is what counter-insurgency was all about!

The big difference between Vietnam and Guatemala, and other nations where counter-insurgency was applied, was that the Americans and Vietnamese allies in Vietnam did not have a coherent plan for dealing with uncooperative farmers, and were not willing to terrorize the locals. There were rogue elements who did rape and murder and look for revenge as they went through villages, but it was after Vietnam that the generals and military strategists worked out the plan for how to prop up unpopular local despots who act on behalf of wealthy and mostly foreign interests.

So, by the time they get to Guatemala and engineer a military coup that brings Ephraim Rios Montt to power...the man willing to do anything and everything to be top dog, the strategy becomes one of soldiers and hired mercenaries taking off their uniforms and thinly disguising their appearance, as they lead an assault to clear out all of the villages, so that the guerillas have no civilian cover.

As my friend describes the situation in his home - most of the Mayans did not see themselves as taking sides in the war between the plantation owners to the south and the marxist insurgents who were often coming from the Yucatan - across the Mexican border. The key difference is one that I have heard from Vietnamese in the restive south during the Vietnam War - the guerillas were well-trained by their officers to respect the locals and try to win their trust. They usually stayed outside of a settlement and only the leaders entered to ask about troop movements and request some food. They were careful not to be greedy, and only take as much as necessary for the coming days. Any guerilla who committed rape or similar crimes would be taken out and shot by his own leaders.

Whereas the military units were made up of Spanish-speaking soldiers from the cities in the south (most of the Mayans did not speak Spanish, so there was a language barrier same as existed for the Americans in Vietnam). So, it was not a matter of the Mayans becoming communists and wanting a revolution; since their lives were largely unaffected by events in the south and they wanted it to stay that way. Just as in Vietnam, Iraq and every other example where we hear about the mistakes of American forces and their proxies in these Neocolonial wars - the leaders never bother to learn much of anything about the people they are trying to control. So, they have gone the route of counter-insurgency, and using terror and mass surveillance to maintain oppressive regimes....what else is new?

My friends' wife - who was from El Salvador, tells a different...though similar themed story of her youth as happened to her husband. In her case, her family was a comfortable middle class family living in the capital - San Salvador when the revolution started. Her father was a doctor who became a professor at the University in the capital. Although he was teaching in the medical department, all of the staff and students of the University were considered suspect by a series of military regimes. So, when one night, the front door was busted down and unidentified men wearing masks grabbed him out of his bed and took him away, his family spent days and weeks not knowing where he was taken, or why, or what was happening to him. All they knew was that the Government took him away and would not tell them anything. In their case, they were lucky, because her father was returned about five or six weeks later....many who were disappeared in the night were never seen again...and the sense of angst - not knowing if or when some paramilitary forces would come for you in the night made everyone who was educated totally paranoid. So, after that, it was an easy decision to get out of the Country as soon as possible. Her father became a doctor in Mexico, where she met her future husband, and the two of them eventually found their way to Canada, rather than trying to go to the U.S., like many of their relatives have done or tried to do over the years.

Well, that's their personal testimonials in a nutshell, and hearing the stories first hand leaves you with a different impression of these situations than when you read some little blurb about it in Time Magazine or Newsweek at the time...usually in the waiting room of the dentist office in my case.

What I forgot to get to is how they see religion and the Catholic Church - because I would have expected back when I first started talking to them about these stories, that the cooperation of Pope John Paul II and the Catholic hierarchy would drive them out of the Catholic Church and lead them to some other religion or no religion at all. But, although they have some differences on the merits of Catholicism (which they still belong to) they make a clear distinction between the Vatican and what they see as the Church: the local priests and fellow worshipers. Worth noting that one of the few top clerics who refused JPII's order to abandon Liberation Theology and follow the orders of the anti-communist dictators, was Archbishop Oscar Romero - who became such an important moral leader of the opposition in El Salvador, that the only way the Regime (and the CIA) could deal with him was to hire an assassin to shoot him!

But, in many other cases, the roles and behaviours of the top clerics is either muddled or on the side of the dictators. In the case of this new pope - Francis, he is on both sides of the ledger...as his supporters can point to circumstances where he interceded on behalf of detained priests and others; while on the other side, there are lots of pictures of him shmoozing with the Dictator and his henchmen, and the fact that he was considered an asset by the CIA-sponsored regime. So, who knows! He may have been opposed to the dictators and working as best he could for the people. One thing was for sure, the Catholic clerics who were truly courageous and held to their convictions, were either shot or disappeared in the night like so many thousands of others during the Dirty Wars.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for the above and what I have run across fits in nicely with what you say. BTW, Romero originally was quite conservative-- until they started killing and jailing his priests, nuns, and lay.
 

work in progress

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the above and what I have run across fits in nicely with what you say. BTW, Romero originally was quite conservative-- until they started killing and jailing his priests, nuns, and lay.
Thanks. I don't know a great deal about Oscar Romero, other than the fact that he was one of the few leaders who had the courage of his convictions. It only stands to reason that he would be a conservative, since he entered the priesthood and rose to high office in the Church.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Right now there are two schools of thought, government is the solution to our problems or government is standing in the way of progress.

These two opposing views cannot compromise.

Most Conservatives are happy with their lives while most liberals are discontent.

My biggest issues are most Liberals are generous with other folks money.

Most change requires sacrifice. Liberals do not want to sacrifice anything to get something else.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Right now there are two schools of thought, government is the solution to our problems or government is standing in the way of progress.

And, just like anytime complex issues are reduced to two, simplistic, opposing schools of thought, they both end up being wrong.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
And, just like anytime complex issues are reduced to two, simplistic, opposing schools of thought, they both end up being wrong.
Lol, it is often said if you are not Liberal when you are young you have no heart.

If you are not Conservative when you are older, you have no brain.
 

work in progress

Well-Known Member
Right now there are two schools of thought, government is the solution to our problems or government is standing in the way of progress.
Well, my school of thought is that the campaign by the right against Big Government was a scam to reduce the power of the average citizen, in favor of a system where money = power. The taxes we pay to support the government have been used to fund maintaining roads, water and sewer systems, public education, parks and recreation services, medical insurance...in Canada and most of the civilized world...regulatory agencies to maintain food, product and environmental safety etc.....and except for roads, the rest are services that wealthy rightwingers have no use for, for a variety of reasons. So, they have been hard at work since Reagan first sold this fraud and centrist Democrats bought in to most of its propaganda; so what have you got now? A huge military-industrial complex, crumbling roads and bridges, underfunded ineffective regulators, public schools that are grossly underfunded in poorer neighborhoods...just where they are needed the most!

No surprise that all of this adds up to rising levels of inequality and wealthy citizens buying politicians and choosing the legislation that best suits their financial needs. For the rest of us, the crippling of the effectiveness of government, has meant we have lost our leverage to enforce the democratic process in favor of rule by the rich.

These two opposing views cannot compromise.
Right.
Most Conservatives are happy with their lives while most liberals are discontent.
Liberals will have to speak for themselves, but there are a lot of things I'm not happy about today, and happy conservatives are oblivious to growing levels of poverty and suffering going on around them and around the world.
My biggest issues are most Liberals are generous with other folks money.
Oh! Not a liberal...more of a radical leftist...but now that you mention it, I'm a skilled tradesman who, being an hourly wage earner, earns a relatively high income in this day and age, while not having access to the tax loopholes that small business owners have...not to mention the very large business owners - who can register their corporations in foreign tax havens and keep their profits in Ireland or the Cayman Islands, and away from the U.S. and Canadian taxman!

So, I'm not complaining about my relatively high tax rates, because I am willing to spend a little more to maintain a social safety net and public services for everyone. What I'm not happy about is people who make a lot more money than I do, and have no social conscience and just want their accountants to use whatever means necessary so that they can duck paying the taxes they should be paying to justify their high living.

Most change requires sacrifice. Liberals do not want to sacrifice anything to get something else.
Conservatives expect to have roads, city services, and police and fire, without having to pay their share of the taxes needed to support public services!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, my school of thought is that the campaign by the right against Big Government was a scam to reduce the power of the average citizen, in favor of a system where money = power. The taxes we pay to support the government have been used to fund maintaining roads, water and sewer systems, public education, parks and recreation services, medical insurance...in Canada and most of the civilized world...regulatory agencies to maintain food, product and environmental safety etc.....and except for roads, the rest are services that wealthy rightwingers have no use for, for a variety of reasons. So, they have been hard at work since Reagan first sold this fraud and centrist Democrats bought in to most of its propaganda; so what have you got now? A huge military-industrial complex, crumbling roads and bridges, underfunded ineffective regulators, public schools that are grossly underfunded in poorer neighborhoods...just where they are needed the most!
No surprise that all of this adds up to rising levels of inequality and wealthy citizens buying politicians and choosing the legislation that best suits their financial needs. For the rest of us, the crippling of the effectiveness of government, has meant we have lost our leverage to enforce the democratic process in favor of rule by the rich.
Liberals will have to speak for themselves, but there are a lot of things I'm not happy about today, and happy conservatives are oblivious to growing levels of poverty and suffering going on around them and around the world.

Oh! Not a liberal...more of a radical leftist...but now that you mention it, I'm a skilled tradesman who, being an hourly wage earner, earns a relatively high income in this day and age, while not having access to the tax loopholes that small business owners have...not to mention the very large business owners - who can register their corporations in foreign tax havens and keep their profits in Ireland or the Cayman Islands, and away from the U.S. and Canadian taxman!

So, I'm not complaining about my relatively high tax rates, because I am willing to spend a little more to maintain a social safety net and public services for everyone. What I'm not happy about is people who make a lot more money than I do, and have no social conscience and just want their accountants to use whatever means necessary so that they can duck paying the taxes they should be paying to justify their high living.

Conservatives expect to have roads, city services, and police and fire, without having to pay their share of the taxes needed to support public services!
Conservatives aren't as presented here. They want to pay taxes for useful things like roads, regulation (which does good, not waste money or oppress us), a practical safety net, & defense just as you do. What they (& I) don't want to pay for is foreign adventurism (over $1,000,000,000,000 in 2 continual feckless wars), over-regulation, a welfare state, politicians jet setting around the world on our dime, etc. There's a big difference between the desired level of spending between lefties & righties, but not that big a difference on the goals.

Your beef might be with us Libertarians, who are more extreme. Anyway, I was comparing tax rates (income, property & other....local & national) with Wirey, the flatulent Canuckistanian. Our total rates were about equal, but he gets free health care, less abusive cops, & more entertaining mayors (at least in Toronto).
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Right now there are two schools of thought, government is the solution to our problems or government is standing in the way of progress.

These two opposing views cannot compromise.

Most Conservatives are happy with their lives while most liberals are discontent.

My biggest issues are most Liberals are generous with other folks money.

Most change requires sacrifice. Liberals do not want to sacrifice anything to get something else.

It's a shame that most self-proclaimed "conservatives" have to over and over again resort to nonsensical stereotypes. If you want a nonsensical stereotype back, how about this one: liberals care about other people, conservatives care only about themselves?

When I watch Fox "News" or listen to right-wing radio programs, I hardly run across the idea that "conservatives" are "happy with their lives", as their ******* and moaning is seemingly unending.

My experience is that so many of these self-proclaimed "conservatives" are really pseudo-conservatives because when they get the power they tend to ignore state's rights and individual rights to ramrod their agenda down people's and state's throats.

They say the want a balanced budget, but when they take office, there goes that idea out the window. They say they want to cut back on "big government", but yet they still want their Social Security, Medicare, and typically want even more defense spending even though we may not need it. Those are three of the four "legs" for the "big government" stool, making up 83% of our current budget when one includes Medicaid.

Speaking of which, they are oh so willing to cut Medicaid, but why? Oh, is it that it doesn't affect them? So, what they then do is to do what you have done, namely to use stereotypes. Yep, the poor are either lazy, ignorant, or both, so we have to cut Medicaid for them to get off their ignorant, lazy butts and go out and get a job. Of course the fact that we currently have three applications for every one job offering doesn't really matter to them, and honestly and objectivity don't appear to be very high on the pseudo-conservatives list.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, my school of thought is that the campaign by the right against Big Government was a scam to reduce the power of the average citizen, in favor of a system where money = power. The taxes we pay to support the government have been used to fund maintaining roads, water and sewer systems, public education, parks and recreation services, medical insurance...in Canada and most of the civilized world...regulatory agencies to maintain food, product and environmental safety etc.....and except for roads, the rest are services that wealthy rightwingers have no use for, for a variety of reasons. So, they have been hard at work since Reagan first sold this fraud and centrist Democrats bought in to most of its propaganda; so what have you got now? A huge military-industrial complex, crumbling roads and bridges, underfunded ineffective regulators, public schools that are grossly underfunded in poorer neighborhoods...just where they are needed the most!

No surprise that all of this adds up to rising levels of inequality and wealthy citizens buying politicians and choosing the legislation that best suits their financial needs. For the rest of us, the crippling of the effectiveness of government, has meant we have lost our leverage to enforce the democratic process in favor of rule by the rich.


Right.

Liberals will have to speak for themselves, but there are a lot of things I'm not happy about today, and happy conservatives are oblivious to growing levels of poverty and suffering going on around them and around the world.

Oh! Not a liberal...more of a radical leftist...but now that you mention it, I'm a skilled tradesman who, being an hourly wage earner, earns a relatively high income in this day and age, while not having access to the tax loopholes that small business owners have...not to mention the very large business owners - who can register their corporations in foreign tax havens and keep their profits in Ireland or the Cayman Islands, and away from the U.S. and Canadian taxman!

So, I'm not complaining about my relatively high tax rates, because I am willing to spend a little more to maintain a social safety net and public services for everyone. What I'm not happy about is people who make a lot more money than I do, and have no social conscience and just want their accountants to use whatever means necessary so that they can duck paying the taxes they should be paying to justify their high living.


Conservatives expect to have roads, city services, and police and fire, without having to pay their share of the taxes needed to support public services!

Very nice post, and spot on.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
A survey of 13 Gallop polls conducted during 2013 reveals:

38% of Americans identify as Conservatives.

34% of Americans identify as Moderates

23% of Americans identify as Liberals
In other words, 2013 was, give or take a point, a pretty typical year in the US. That's to say, there are almost always more conservatives than liberals. But why?

Well, that's like asking why more people buy Toyota Corollas than Mercedes S-Class cars. Or like asking why McDonalds processed grease patties consistently outsell high quality no-hormone, no-antibiotic beef patties. Or why more people tune in Bill O'Reilly than Rachel Maddow. Or why cheap Chinese goods have come to dominate markets worldwide, often driving out of business higher quality goods.

With few exceptions, what the masses think of as "value" is either low or mediocre quality when compared to higher quality goods and services. So, face it, there will always be more conservatives of every stripe -- including libertarians -- than there will be liberals, let alone progressives.

My simplistic response:

1. Propagandists have successfully been able to paint the word "liberal" as a dirty word in today's society. Liberal/permissive parenting. Liberal spending. Liberal with sex. Liberally and conveniently with marriage and divorce. "Liberal" essentially now means out of control, which causes many people in this culture to cringe at the thought of being seen as being out of control.

2. The entire country has moved to the right after the anti-feminist movement led by Phyllis Schlafly and the Moral Majority led by Jerry Falwell usurped funding and media coverage of grassroots populism, and succeeded in culturally attaching Christian Conservatism with political Republican efforts. It was then seen as being "anti-Christian" if one didn't believe in Christian-America superiority in the world. IOW, if you didn't identify with the Moral Majority's version of patriotism, and using tax dollars to convert citizens and the rest of the world to Conservative Christianity, you weren't a real American.

So, don't spend America's citizens hard-earned tax dollars on useless anti-Christian things, but if America can spend the citizens' hard-earned tax dollars on the military-industrial complex's imperialistic efforts around the world, maintain the Empire's taking of the planets resources at will, and hopefully convert all those dirty Muslims and baby-eating atheists to the "real" Christianity...well, that's all well and good and patriotic.

Given that the majority of Americans identify as Christian...

Given that being thought of as "liberal" is taboo...

Given that the military engages in imperialistic measures exclusively for easier access to planetary resources instead of defending the Constitution...

And given that people naturally like having the creature comforts they currently own...

Politically and culturally, conservatives will win the hearts, the loyalty, and especially the money of the people.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why people feel entitled to refuse to learn in school, develop a skillset and live off their income without help.

They then bring children into the world they can't support and expect others to work hard and support them in a manner they have grown accustomed to.

Tell me who is the greedy one, a person who wants something for nothing or a person who wants to keep what they have earned?

Saying Conservatives are uncaring is just untrue. We donate to charity far more often than Liberals do.

Liberals want others to give to the less fortunate and do not lead by example.

Liberals are the biggest hypocrites of all. Always focusing on what others have and trying to take it away.

People will say they can't afford to give to charity. I cry B.S.

They could give of their time
 
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