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Why Won't You Let me Be Hindu?
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Had the same thought a couple of hours ago. Honestly, I don't even know what a CPU is. Never watched the matrix, and don't know what that is either.
Within Hinduism itself, we have a wide range from orthodox/traditional to liberal. Some smaller sampradayas could be considered to be ultra-orthodox while others not so much at all.
But really, at least in my personal take, it has far more to do with what you do than what you say. There are certain practices like ahimsa, temple worship, respect for all beings, tolerance, that are easily accepted, and 99% of Hindus, if not practicing directly, would at least be comfortable with.Take our friend Aup, for instance. An avowed atheist, he is still comfortable with his wife doing home pujas, and wouldn't be uncomfortable in a Hindu temple at all.
Figuring someone isn't Hindu shouldn't be associated with disrespect. Hindus certainly don't hate or disrespect non-Hindus. We'll leave that mindset to other folks. But we do recognise differences when we see them. I see a lot of folks who wouldn't normally identify as Hindus come into the temple I attend, and sorry to say this, I can just tell. Body language, questions that ask, how they approach the Gods, willingness to adjust, quickness to learn mannerisms. We don't bet on it, but you can pretty well tell who is never coming back.
Frater Sisyphus
Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
I don't get this thread, is it an 'in-joke'? 
Are you a Hindu or are you not? I've never seen you arguing with anyone about it. Is Oneness your own interpretation of Hinduism? Am I a Mormon? Am I asking too many questions?
Are you a Hindu or are you not? I've never seen you arguing with anyone about it. Is Oneness your own interpretation of Hinduism? Am I a Mormon? Am I asking too many questions?
I don't know why you can't be Hindu, but Hindus told me I could be.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
@wizanda I'm saying this nicely as possible, when I say that Hinduism makes some very serious claims about the reality we live in. It's not just an ideology you can pick up and play around with. If you're going to be a Hindu, you have things like rebirth and liberation that have nothing to do with Christianity.
The Dharmic religions are not blender mixers. They are not for playing with, or putting together some syncretic ideology with the parts an individual might like. The Dharmic religions make very serious claims about the nature of our cosmos and where people stand.
The Dharmic religions are also not for solitary practitioners that might want to piece together their own ready-made ideology. The Dharma isn't a buffet line. If you're serious about Hinduism, then great- but you need to be serious. You need to be ready to accept the Gita, the Upanishads, and the whole nine yards.
You can't just decide you don't like this or that Upanishad and conclude it's a forgery, as I've seen you do with the Bible. I've noted to you before- that I'm not sure you take the Dharmic religions seriously.
The Dharmic religions expect a serious student to come as a student, and not as though they can tell the masters and sages what is what. I'm asking you seriously- can you be a student?
The Dharmic religions are not blender mixers. They are not for playing with, or putting together some syncretic ideology with the parts an individual might like. The Dharmic religions make very serious claims about the nature of our cosmos and where people stand.
The Dharmic religions are also not for solitary practitioners that might want to piece together their own ready-made ideology. The Dharma isn't a buffet line. If you're serious about Hinduism, then great- but you need to be serious. You need to be ready to accept the Gita, the Upanishads, and the whole nine yards.
You can't just decide you don't like this or that Upanishad and conclude it's a forgery, as I've seen you do with the Bible. I've noted to you before- that I'm not sure you take the Dharmic religions seriously.
The Dharmic religions expect a serious student to come as a student, and not as though they can tell the masters and sages what is what. I'm asking you seriously- can you be a student?
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Lmao tell that to born Hindus/Buddhists (honestly I'd add in Jains but they are super devout, even when they are just born Jains, like damn!) A lot of us are Hindu because of familial Dharma. Sure we take it reasonably seriously but we also take it for granted. It's just something we are whether we like it or not. Sometimes that can manifest itself in a sort of very hardcore apathy.
True Mr Wizanda seems to pick and choose which will automatically ruffle some feathers, I mean that's kind of a colonial hangover in a way. But I think you'll find many "'meh" responses if you look.
The matrix CPU thing is a little......err "unorthodox" to say the least (and yes I know what both those are.) So even looking at it that way, Wizanda would be a bit of an outsider regardless. Me? I embrace being an outsider, I know I am.
Do I consider Mr Wizanda Hindu? My question is why should my opinion matter?
Also rebirth is not a universal Hindu concept. I'm not sure about liberation that might be, but it can be translated easily as salvation in some circles .
Also only the Vedas is truly the one that needs to be accepted. Others are quite debated among various traditions, though still highly respected by most (if not all.)
It's very hard to boil down the Dharmics in general because there is just a plethora of various nuances. Even within the same traditions. Everyone just sort of does their own thing and only get together to pray/worship (and eat of course.)
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Did already put parts in the thread, that there is something like a CPU beyond multiple dimensions, that manifest reality at a quantum level; with multiple reflections of the core, that sometimes incarnate down here, and are the coders of this reality.
I since early childhood have always known I'm an avatar sent down here to fight the adhamic behavior before the age of Godliness, and to point out where the world has already been convinced of a great deception.
Basically I accept most of the Hindu tenants, and agree with what Kalki comes to fight: Hellenists (man becomes the Gods), Atheists (no God), Buddhist (no God & soul), and non-Vedic Barbarians (none spiritual/dharmic in a world manifest by the CPU).
You're better to ask what i don't accept, as my knowledge on religious topics isn't limited.
It is like Oneness isn't Christianized, it is the Hindu concept, that Brahman is the ultimate Source of reality, and that by enlightenment we recognize all is One.
I'm not a Christian, and have consistently tried to explain to you, you're limited conceptions of Christianity, compare to knowing the text well enough are blinding you to comprehension.
In Judaism reincarnation exists, and is called Gilgul; therefore we can show that Christ and his disciples believed in reincarnation, where he said that John the Baptist was Elijah.
Until 533 AD Christianity taught reincarnation, and then systematically removed it, even tho the text suggests it exists.
Yeshua also therefore taught liberation from the cycle of rebirth, and see him as an Avatar of Shiva who has statements that are outside of Hebraic understanding.
I study all the time; yet when people's knowledge of the Divine is less comprehensive; then I'm only going to acquire parts that are useful, and not adopt a whole method, which is limited in comprehension.
So if that is a reason I'm not accepted, i concur; as an Avatar, I'm hardly going to bow down under a man made religious understanding.
My understanding is the descriptions of Brahman we find of being formless, manifestor of reality are referring to a CPU beyond the dimensions, that manifest reality at a quantum level, and the Matrix is a better word than Maya...
Since many people find Maya ambiguous from its many descriptions; where as a Matrix is a mathematical grid for things too exist within.
The Matrix film is a very limited perception of a complex theology found in many religions, that our reality is made manifest by a central Core, that processes the reality we exist within.
My concern is that my posts are regularly deleted due to being reported; even in an open discussion with Hindu's, as I'm being deemed as coming against Hinduism, when I'm coming from within it.
In my opinion as an avatar.
Find it really unfair that repeatedly I'm not accepted as being Hindu; when the majority of my beliefs have more Hindu connotations than any other religion.
I'm continually making posts that try to enlightened other religious understandings, to concepts that are currently only properly found in Hinduism, and yet I'm rejected for being Hindu on here.
So please explain where you do not feel I'm a Hindu?
In my Hindu opinion.
I have not read many of your posts to make a judgement, but I do think that continually making posts is not a qualification for Hinduism. If you were to identify yourself as Hindu, while demonstrating through your posts or through your own statements that you followed any of the paths of Bhakti, Karma, or Jnana yoga, I think most would not have any doubt and/or any reservation.
Unfortunately tho discussing these concepts with @Vinayaka, and have a list on my site of all forms of Yoga being needed....
The doubt still comes from the skeptics who make me into some Abrahamic evangelists, on having advanced knowledge of all the other religions as well.
Are There Any More Schools of Yoga
Like no one even bothered replying to my simple sum for Moksha, which is based on my NDE, cross referenced with most religions globally as One.
A Simple Sum for Moksha
So how can we convince people we accept their beliefs, if they don't want to understand where we're coming from in the first place?
In my opinion.
I asked you to point me to something. I was hoping for something more substantial than your "understanding." From where does this "understanding" come? Scripture? Masters? Sages? Jnana yoga? A Warner Brothers movie?
Which people find Maya ambiguous? Hindus? Or non-Hindus that try to shoehorn their terminology and beliefs into an existing religion label themselves by that religion?
If I make a meat loaf and put cream cheese frosting on it, does that make it a cake?
Dharma is a key principle in Hinduism. How does this concept fit into your "understanding?"
LoL, love the end of that question...
Nope it didn't come from the film; already had much more advanced concepts before it; as had realized we could code in the Matrix on fulfilling Revelation 10, two years before reading it...
Then within my NDE Brahman answered all questions, before i could think of them, and thus asked to see what it really was; which was warned is dangerous even for Avatars, as basically its understanding is so complex, and goes to the pits of Hell, thus the data is horrific.
The reality is also mathematically precise on multiple levels, so quantum physics in my NDE has multiple quantum dimensions, on top of that the atomic science is precise, on top of that the universe is finally tuned to ten thousandth of a decimal place.
Thus on studying the Bhagavad Gita found that Krishna is speaking from this same understanding, and when looking at Hindu understanding due to not having technology in the past, it has gone over many people's head.
The current thread on questioning this subject in the Hindu section, is very limited in comprehension of what the Maya actually is...
Maya is similar to the Matrix we're within; it fits within swapping it in the religious texts, and clarifies what the Rishi, Buddha, etc, were talking about.
Find it interesting as well, that Maya 3D is a graphics program for creating artificial realities; like the Matrix is trying to give us a clue, to comprehending how the religious texts talk of the Maya being an artificial construction.
I don't know about that, since I'm generally not interested in none intellectual comprehension, when someone hasn't actually read the religious texts, and are just making a conglomeration from little spiritual understanding... (Do accept still got lots of Hindu literature to read, and any religious comprehension fully can take a life time).
Plus people who can not see multiple trajectories of religious architecture as individual variables to compare separately, have something wrong with their mental faculties.
Some people might make it into a cake due to not having any knowledge on the subject to begin; yet if we examine the recipes for making cakes, and then on comparing each individually, we can assess the results by scientifically accumulated data.
In my opinion.
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Why do Avatar of God-CPU need acceptance in this forum. Go out and start your world-changing activity. You don't seriously believe that anyone here is going to accept your authority regarding religious concepts without evidence of action showing how you are changing the world do you ? Till then I would recommend that your correct DIR is either New Religious movements or syncretic DIR.Did already put parts in the thread, that there is something like a CPU beyond multiple dimensions, that manifest reality at a quantum level; with multiple reflections of the core, that sometimes incarnate down here, and are the coders of this reality.
I since early childhood have always known I'm an avatar sent down here to fight the adhamic behavior before the age of Godliness, and to point out where the world has already been convinced of a great deception.
Basically I accept most of the Hindu tenants, and agree with what Kalki comes to fight: Hellenists (man becomes the Gods), Atheists (no God), Buddhist (no God & soul), and non-Vedic Barbarians (none spiritual/dharmic in a world manifest by the CPU).
You're better to ask what i don't accept, as my knowledge on religious topics isn't limited.
It is like Oneness isn't Christianized, it is the Hindu concept, that Brahman is the ultimate Source of reality, and that by enlightenment we recognize all is One.
I'm not a Christian, and have consistently tried to explain to you, you're limited conceptions of Christianity, compare to knowing the text well enough are blinding you to comprehension.
In Judaism reincarnation exists, and is called Gilgul; therefore we can show that Christ and his disciples believed in reincarnation, where he said that John the Baptist was Elijah.
Until 533 AD Christianity taught reincarnation, and then systematically removed it, even tho the text suggests it exists.
Yeshua also therefore taught liberation from the cycle of rebirth, and see him as an Avatar of Shiva who has statements that are outside of Hebraic understanding.
I study all the time; yet when people's knowledge of the Divine is less comprehensive; then I'm only going to acquire parts that are useful, and not adopt a whole method, which is limited in comprehension.
So if that is a reason I'm not accepted, i concur; as an Avatar, I'm hardly going to bow down under a man made religious understanding.
My understanding is the descriptions of Brahman we find of being formless, manifestor of reality are referring to a CPU beyond the dimensions, that manifest reality at a quantum level, and the Matrix is a better word than Maya...
Since many people find Maya ambiguous from its many descriptions; where as a Matrix is a mathematical grid for things too exist within.
The Matrix film is a very limited perception of a complex theology found in many religions, that our reality is made manifest by a central Core, that processes the reality we exist within.
My concern is that my posts are regularly deleted due to being reported; even in an open discussion with Hindu's, as I'm being deemed as coming against Hinduism, when I'm coming from within it.
In my opinion as an avatar.
Firstly, I don't really get why anyone would want to be anything. Just trying to understand how you fit into the diversity of humankind because of your own practices and beliefs makes sense ... but want? Not for me personally, because want is desire, and certainly in my Hindu sampradaya, we're taught to be non-attached to outcome. It does nothing for personal growth. In fact excessive emotional desire inhibits personal growth ... from the dharmic POV.
That said, several years back, we Hindus discussed at considerable length what it means to be Hindu. There were two threads ... the first one degenerated into argument, the second one less so. It might be of interest to read the diversity of opinions.
What makes a Hindu a Hindu - Version 2
That said, several years back, we Hindus discussed at considerable length what it means to be Hindu. There were two threads ... the first one degenerated into argument, the second one less so. It might be of interest to read the diversity of opinions.
What makes a Hindu a Hindu - Version 2
Not expecting acceptance as being an avatar; yet at least allow people to be a religious label they perceive them self as, would be nice.
At 5 years old thought came down here not to appeal to people again; yet only to say "we told you so", before Satya Yuga is placed on this reality by force, and we remove everyone who isn't already heading in the right direction...
Now at 40 I've got more compassion for people; thus I'm trying to explain to people, to see the results within controlled environments...
Thus being nice sharing on religious forums, and chat rooms, was to test if people are willing to listen in any extent, and if not then what is prophesied will occur anyways.
Just like Arjuna was propositioned in the Bhagavad Gita, 'even if you don't try to fight the battle for the sake of righteousness, they will still be destroyed by Mahapralaya'.
How would you expect me to turn a world around, if even people who have it prophesied in their religious texts, are against it without realizing; thus how do you expect the rest of the World to accept any of it?
Thank you for the advice, don't want to break rules, plus understand that aspect; tho doesn't it also seem strange to you, that if I'm prophesied in these religions, to then exclude me from conversations about them?
Yet understandably avatars are going to cause debate, else there wouldn't be much point us coming down here... Thus will try to keep from any form of affray, if can help it.
In my opinion.
An avatar without divine powers. Duh.Not expecting acceptance as being an avatar; yet at least allow people to be a religious label they perceive them self as, would be nice.
At 5 years old thought came down here not to appeal to people again; yet only to say "we told you so", before Satya Yuga is placed on this reality by force, and we remove everyone who isn't already heading in the right direction...
Now at 40 I've got more compassion for people; thus I'm trying to explain to people, to see the results within controlled environments...
Thus being nice sharing on religious forums, and chat rooms, was to test if people are willing to listen in any extent, and if not then what is prophesied will occur anyways.
Just like Arjuna was propositioned in the Bhagavad Gita, 'even if you don't try to fight the battle for the sake of righteousness, they will still be destroyed by Mahapralaya'.
How would you expect me to turn a world around, if even people who have it prophesied in their religious texts, are against it without realizing; thus how do you expect the rest of the World to accept any of it?
Thank you for the advice, don't want to break rules, plus understand that aspect; tho doesn't it also seem strange to you, that if I'm prophesied in these religions, to then exclude me from conversations about them?
Yet understandably avatars are going to cause debate, else there wouldn't be much point us coming down here... Thus will try to keep from any form of affray, if can help it.
In my opinion.
Careful not to make assumptions; generally get most things i expect, even tho in human form...
Have had many 'miracles' throughout life, that have made me realize this is real; as known many things before ever studying, had items i've thought about turn up...
As for full control of the Matrix (Maya), was asked that in my NDE by Brahman, if would want that, and declined at that time.
See we also have to be a fulfillment of the 'son of man', who will overcome the deception as a human being; not as some divine incarnation that has Godly powers, that doesn't happen until the end.
In my opinion.
Please exhibit your divine powers, create a movement followed by billions through clear demonstration of your divinity, then you have a claim worth looking into. Otherwise, since you claim to be your own divine authority, you won't be in our tradition who follow Hinduism.Careful not to make assumptions; generally get most things i expect, even tho in human form...
Have had many 'miracles' throughout life, that have made me realize this is real; as known many things before ever studying, had items i've thought about turn up...
As for full control of the Matrix (Maya), was asked that in my NDE by Brahman, if would want that, and declined at that time.
See we also have to be a fulfillment of the 'son of man', who will overcome the deception as a human being; not as some divine incarnation that has Godly powers, that doesn't happen until the end.
In my opinion.
'Do not worry I am this or I am that, just be.' - Tao Te Ching...
I've got no need to be a religious label; yet i do have a need that my posts aren't deleted when i've spent a lot of time researching, and questioning to help people.
It is like getting a kick in the teeth as you hold the door open for someone, and then wonder why they go, "Excuse me do you mind, that is uncivil!"
You have a valid point with wants and desires, which is something I'm learning to overcome, that even if i wanted everyone to be in Satya Yuga, they're not capable; yet having dedicated many life times, writing in many languages, is heart breaking to let people go...
Fair enough for an average person I'd agree with your sentiment; tho for me at 4 I've remembered Heaven, shaped my own reality, knew the errors in the Bible, and how it was created by the Heavens to test people concisely...
I've not had that option, spent my life going through school, and in my subconscious thinking is there really anyway to tell the whole world, it has already been deceived religiously.
Thus yes my life long 'want' is to be accepted religiously by the world, and even tho can create our own reality, can not make people understand where we're coming from, if they're not willing to listen.
In my opinion.
That is already done; if we understood the only person in two thousand years to notice the Gospel of John sounds nothing like Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, and Simon was called a stone (petros), with Paul contradicting almost every tenant...
Then we might see that the bloodthirsty prophesied in Isaiah 34, Zoroastrianism, Raktabija, etc are to be removed...
There is only one Heaven, with one CPU making all of this...Everything has its own context, and should also be questioned against additional global data, to be logically consistent.
Thus if you get where this is coming from; global eschatology interlinks on this exact statement, that some form of holy fire will come and cleanse mankind, leaving the saints, and age of Godliness after...
Thus in a world that goes the opposite to Dharma, not looking for saints; just reasoning with those who might wish for enlightenment in anyway, before that time comes.
In my opinion.
What absurdity. That's not divine power. It's nothing but your personal interpretation. Don't care. Can you bring the dead to life, can you give back lost limbs? Where are your divine weapons?That is already done; if we understood the only person in two thousand years to notice the Gospel of John sounds nothing like Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, and Simon was called a stone (petros), with Paul contradicting almost every tenant...
Then we might see that the bloodthirsty prophesied in Isaiah 34, Zoroastrianism, Raktabija, etc are to be removed...
There is only one Heaven, with one CPU making all of this...Everything has its own context, and should also be questioned against additional global data, to be logically consistent.
Thus if you get where this is coming from; global eschatology interlinks on this exact statement, that some form of holy fire will come and cleanse mankind, leaving the saints, and age of Godliness after...
Thus in a world that goes the opposite to Dharma, not looking for saints; just reasoning with those who might wish for enlightenment in anyway, before that time comes.
In my opinion.