Why Won't You Let me Be Hindu?

[Muffled]

And usually with bizarre twists of cognition added for what seems to be entertainment value.

Because your views do not remotely correspond to Hindu views?

I believe for that matter thee don't correspond all that well to Abrahamic views.

 

[Jainarayan]

I am not sure that Hinduism has an essence.

It does.

 

[YmirGF]

I believe for that matter thee don't correspond all that well to Abrahamic views.

Well, I'm glad we got that point settled.

 

[YmirGF]

You avoid the commentaries of learned scholars on theological grounds? These are men and women (there are women rishis and acharyas) who have spent their lives studying the scriptures. It's like saying the Supreme Court Justices are not qualified to write legal opinions on the Constitution or that rabbinic scholars are not qualified to write about the Talmud.

But, hey, we can believe @wizanda because he thinks he is an avatara.

 

[Jainarayan]

But, hey, we can believe @wizanda because he thinks he is an avatara.

I love Judge Judy.

 

[Curious George]

Find it really unfair that repeatedly I'm not accepted as being Hindu; when the majority of my beliefs have more Hindu connotations than any other religion.

I'm continually making posts that try to enlightened other religious understandings, to concepts that are currently only properly found in Hinduism, and yet I'm rejected for being Hindu on here.

So please explain where you do not feel I'm a Hindu?

In my Hindu opinion.

Let us set aside your childhood dreams of greatness.

You have spent many years studying different religions. It seems possible that in your later years of study you were trying to fit your understanding in context with your previous years of study.

Those who have only studied Hinduism or have emptied themselves to learn from Hinduism are going to be looking at a very different picture.

If I paint a Picasso on a blank canvass I will have a replica of a Picasso. If I first paint a Pollock, then a Dali, then a Picasso I am going to be looking at a very different picture than those who have only replicas of Picasso's.

Simply because you have a different picture does not mean that you don't better understand some of Picasso's techniques than those who only have Picasso's. Understanding does not work that way. So it is quite possible that some of your wisdom could benefit those trying to understand Hinduism. But if someone is looking at your picture and trying to draw a Picasso it will be difficult to discern what is Picasso, what is Dali, and what is Pollock.

But ultimately I won't let you be Hindu, because I am the authority on who is and who is not Hindu. And, in my opinion , you are not.

 

[wizanda]

There is nothing besides Brahman

There is nothing besides the CPU, which manifest reality at a quantum level.

there is no concept of Heaven and Hell like there is in those religions. "God" does not judge, reward or punish.

The religious Hindu text says otherwise, we're blessed for being righteous, and we're cursed for being demonic.... This gives us a karma balance that ultimately affects our destination.

One sees Brahman after moksha (liberation from samsara).

Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc have all seen Brahman, as they were there before there was form in the reality.

There are levels called Loka, that define multiple plains of existence; thus in Heaven there are levels, before the Core.

Haven't said it is a Hindu concept, these are my own personal experiences.

Shiva and Jesus have anything to do with the temple in Jerusalem.

Within the Kalki Purana, the rider on the white horse, shall have a theocracy that prospers in the ways of God, once the Adharmic behavior is removed... Matches Revelation.

It is a time of the change in ages in the cycle of ages of the universe because the universe is old, tired and worn out not because there is evil.

Mahapralaya Biblically doesn't happen until the very end... It is a time of judgement as only those that the CPU actually knows, will come back after the reformatting of reality.

(followers of Shiva) (followers of Vishnu).

Plus all the Hindus in between that have their own understanding of the texts.

Analogies of the nature of reality to movies like The Matrix and computers.

Really if we study some of the ideas that came from, a lot are Hindu originated; the idea reality comes from a single core, that manifest reality is clearly a Hindu concept.

No true avatar or incarnation of God has ever made such a claim. In fact, most of them have denied it or been unaware of it while on Earth.

Krishna did, Buddha knew, and implies a realm of the Buddhas; plus that avatars can keep coming back knowing (Bodhisattva).

And what makes your opinion any more valid than those scholars' opinions?

As a 4-5 year old, knew i was an avatar from another realm up there, could remember the Oneness surrounding the core, knew Christianity was false, the new testament corrupt, and at 25 would logistically understand it, and bring it to the worlds attention.... My name Zanda is spelled that way, as i knew it was prophetic as a child; just wasn't sure how or where.

Then having had a NDE my experience of the planes of Loka can be expanded to understand Quantum Physics more; yet considering can't even explain basic religious principles to people, really losing hope in that, and thus there is already a premeditated master plan in the form of Yeshua setting a snare, so we get rid of all the ungodly mockers and scoffers first.

Thus after all that you don't have to trust my opinion, mine is like any other persons it is a perspective on the data; go look at the data, and ask for supporting evidence from a person suggesting something that is illogical, to what you already know from the data.

Which runs the risk of interpreting it completely incorrectly, possibly dangerously.

We shouldn't ignore opinions from scholars, we should collect them all together, and compare them to the data.

Hinduism is not legalistic.

Was referring to any religious doctrine, that puts forward concepts that people have to follow, within it, it creates legal ceremony to that specific religions principles.

To claim to be more spiritually advanced than one such as Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Adi Shankara and

For one i see my self as their humble servant, to help in the ways of Oneness, and thus like how your list starts with people who've borrowed our name, because of their devotion to such principles.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Yeah my opinion is just the same as anyone's, same as any religious text comes from opinion, so only by correlating all data for ourselves can we ever be certain....Scientific method used on theology.

In my opinion.

 

[Rival]

I believe you are saying that wisdom is as wisdom does. Is that so?

It wasn't my intention. I have never heard that phrase before.

 

[oldbadger]

Hinduism is an umbrella term for an extremely vast and varied collection of beliefs systems, though united by several common elements:

• The existence of an overriding, all-encompassing source of being, i.e. Brahman. There is nothing besides Brahman; the Upanishads (part of the Vedas) say sarvam khalvidam brahma, "all this [we see] verily is Brahman". By definition that also means there is only one Truth, though it may be known variously.
• That the Vedas are apaurusheya, lit. "not of man" in Sanskrit. Revealed to the rishis (by what we really don't know). After intense meditations and spiritual practice. they perceived the truths in the Vedas.
• Karma and the cycle of rebirth (samsara).

There are a number of other common beliefs in Hinduism:
Core Beliefs of Hindus - dummies
Basics of Hinduism

One can call themselves anything they want, but that doesn't make it so. If a person calls themself X and spouts nonsense relative to the accepted beliefs of X, they better be prepared to catch flak... lots of flak.

What is not Hindu are the patently false claims that:

• Hindu soteriology is anything like Christianity or Islam... there is no concept of Heaven and Hell like there is in those religions. "God" does not judge, reward or punish.
• One sees Brahman after moksha (liberation from samsara).
• Shiva and Jesus have anything to do with the temple in Jerusalem.
• The term mahāpralaya (lit. "great dissolution") incorrectly used: it is not a time of judgement or "destruction". It is a time of the change in ages in the cycle of ages of the universe because the universe is old, tired and worn out not because there is evil. That Kalki, the final avatar of Vishnu will come and clean up the mess of this world is uniquely Vaishnava. Pralaya is most likely always occurring through Lord Shiva. He destroys the old and makes way for new creation... think of super- and hypernovae. Old worn out stars explode and die, they spew their elements into space, those elements are the basis for new life.
• Jesus being an avatar of any form of God in Hinduism, e.g. Vishnu or Shiva. Shaivism (followers of Shiva) doesn't even subscribe to the belief in avatars. That's uniquely Vaishnava (followers of Vishnu).
• Analogies of the nature of reality to movies like The Matrix and computers.
• No true avatar or incarnation of God has ever made such a claim. In fact, most of them have denied it or been unaware of it while on Earth.
• Basically every claim and comment made by the o.p. in this thread makes a mockery of the beliefs of over 1 billion Hindus.

Wow! You took a lot of trouble with that post. Thankyou.

I have copied 'Hindu for Dummies' and 'Hindu Basics' and now I actually have a file on Hindu in my religious section.

At first glance (I would need hours on any preview) it looks as if Hindu might be the most complex religion ever.

I've always appreciated the OP's posts about Yeshua's life and mission, and that's why I took interest in this thread.

Thankyou again.

 

[Jainarayan]

There is nothing besides the CPU, which manifest reality at a quantum level.

I can't... I just can't.

The religious Hindu text says otherwise, we're blessed for being righteous, and we're cursed for being demonic.... This gives us a karma balance that ultimately affects our destination.

Completely twisted and misunderstood.

Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc have all seen Brahman, as they were there before there was form in the reality.

Vishnu and Shiva ARE Brahman.

I am the Self, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings.BG 10.20

And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is immortal, imperishable and eternal and is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness. BG 14.27

Know Me to be the Supreme Brahman, the all-pervading Supersoul through whom the sleeping living entity can understand his dreaming condition and his happiness beyond the activities of the material senses. That is to say, I am the cause of the activities of the sleeping living being. SB 6.16.55

There are levels called Loka, that define multiple planes of existence; thus in Heaven there are levels, before the Core.

Yeah, uh no... that's not how it works or how it's meant. Loka means world. They are the so-called "heavenly planets" or hellish planets". They are within the material plane.

Within the Kalki Purana, the rider on the white horse, shall have a theocracy that prospers in the ways of God, once the Adharmic behavior is removed... Matches Revelation.

Kalki - Wikipedia

In the Kalki Purana, Kalki marries princess Padmavati, the daughter of Brhadratha of Simhala.[36] He fights an evil army and many wars, ends evil but does not end existence. Kalki returns to Sambhala, inaugurates a new yuga for the good and then goes to heaven.[36]

Many cultures have and "end times" mythos. End time - Wikipedia

Mahapralaya Biblically doesn't happen until the very end...

I don't give a hair from Kalki's horse's tail about the Bible, nor do 1 billion other Hindus. The Bible is irrelevant in Hinduism.

Krishna did, Buddha knew, and implies a realm of the Buddhas; plus that avatars can keep coming back knowing (Bodhisattva).

Krishna is the exception, I'll give you that ("Oh ... It's definitely the End Times."). Rama was not aware he was Vishnu; Narasimha didn't have to declare himself to be Vishnu, Prahlada did that; It was clear that the Dasavatara are Vishnu, but Vishnu has 24 avatars in total, some human, some semi-divine, some theriomorphic. 24 Avataars of Lord Vishnu Only a few of them are purnavatara, full avatars, as compared to anshavatara, partial incarnations; Buddha denied being a god or God. Moreover, Buddha is not universally accepted as being an avatar of Vishnu, nor is the avatar concept universally accepted. I'm not sure how many times or in how many ways I can say that.

As a 4-5 year old, knew i was an avatar from another realm up there, could remember the Oneness surrounding the core, knew Christianity was false, the new testament corrupt, and at 25 would logistically understand it, and bring it to the worlds attention.... My name Zanda is spelled that way, as i knew it was prophetic as a child; just wasn't sure how or where.

Not even going to touch that one.

Thus after all that you don't have to trust my opinion,

I don't. Not after all that tripe you're peddling that is supposed to be Hinduism.

 

[Jainarayan]

Wow! You took a lot of trouble with that post. Thankyou.

I have copied 'Hindu for Dummies' and 'Hindu Basics' and now I actually have a file on Hindu in my religious section.

Very cool!

At first glance (I would need hours on any preview) it looks as if Hindu might be the most complex religion ever.

It can be... or it can be as simple as one's heart desires. That's the beauty of it.

Thank you again.

 

[wizanda]

Loka means world.

The 7 levels below and 7 above are scientifically called dimensions.

The Bible is irrelevant in Hinduism.

Nothing is irrelevant; everything has a reason...

The affect of bigotry towards Abrahamic beliefs, has shown the true colors of many claiming they're interested in the Divine.

The Bible is a tool to remove Asura to a lower Loka, and is very well done.

Buddha is not universally accepted as being an avatar of Vishnu, nor is the avatar concept universally accepted.

I know Buddha from the 24 Elders around the Core of reality, as was Lao Tzu; so clearly some people are not even referenced who should be.

Not after all that tripe you're peddling that is supposed to be Hinduism.

It isn't meant to be Hinduism as a religious tradition, find it very limited in many comprehensions.

In my opinion.

 

[Jainarayan]

Nothing is irrelevant; everything has a reason...

The affect of bigotry towards Abrahamic beliefs, has shown the true colors of many claiming they're interested in the Divine.

The Bible is a tool to remove Asura to a lower Loka, and is very well done.

The Bible is a worthy scripture for those who believe it is. But it is irrelevant in Hinduism and is a virtually polar opposite. Hinduism has more than enough scriptures and texts. Hell, we could finance the clean up of Gangā Mā with the proceeds from selling some puranas to other religions!

I know Buddha from the 24 Elders around the Core of reality, as was Lao Tzu; so clearly some people are not even referenced who should be.

So, Lao Tzu is an avatar of Vishnu? Or is it Shiva? Buddha is one of the 24 Elders. You'll have to excuse me since I get my avatars mixed up these days. I'm so confused now.

It isn't meant to be Hinduism as a religious tradition, find it very limited in many comprehensions.

But you want to post in the Hinduism DIR as a Hindu, right?

 

[oldbadger]

Hi @wizanda......
This thing about 'post-exclusive' forums only arises occasionally; at least, I only read this thread about such exclusions because you initiated it.

I can see that various groups wish to discuss amongst themselves, not that I would even post in a 'BadgersDIR', because where a group is exclusive in any way, for any reason, then I'm not even arriving, let alone 'gone'.

But where you read about an issue about anything, in any DIR, I expect that it's acceptable to initiate an open forum thread about the same subject matter in order to put your own questions and answers, although I don't know if you can copy posts out of a DIR into it... ? Probably not.

I could query that with @Jainarayan 'cos he might be prepared to put his mod hat on for that one?

 

[wizanda]

But you want to post in the Hinduism DIR as a Hindu, right?

Other than being polite asking questions, wouldn't want to be part of your gang, found quite a few very badly mannered, and none disciplined in Dharma,

Think it proves the point that a lot of religious orthodoxy provides some of the most hypocrisy.

Thus as one of Hinduism's god's thanks for making it clear we're not welcome in your religion; which is fine will pass it on to the rest.

So, Lao Tzu is an avatar of Vishnu? Or is it Shiva? Buddha is one of the 24 Elders.

Around the Core there are 24 energy patterns giving them names is where it gets confusing, they've all been down here many times in many forms.

There is only One at the end of it all.

The Bible is a worthy scripture for those who believe it is. But it is irrelevant in Hinduism and is a virtually polar opposite.

Do you listen properly; the Bible is a snare, it is meant to be upside down Dharma in many places, to catch out those that would go contrary...

This is what i spend my time doing talking with Christians, explaining how they don't follow the Dharma, and due to this Hindu bigotry towards Abrahmic beliefs of not even listening, you all think i'm a Christian.

Hinduism has more than enough scriptures and texts.

Another person with this beauty pageant mentality; there is only one religion, one God, one reality, there is not two...

Hinduism means a large body of water; not a small puddle.

The Rishi would have questioned reality if presented to them, do not find what you lot talk about the same; you choose consciously to be ignorant, and then continue even when guided to be more knowledgeable.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

This thing about 'post-exclusive' forums only arises occasionally

Depends who we're speaking about, certain religious groups with more scholarly layering, get offended if you don't follow their scholars before what is in the religious texts...

Thus i've found issue with quite a few in someway, and it is annoying getting your post deleted, when you're only trying to help share what you know.

Thanks for your idea of posting additional threads.

In my opinion.

 

[Jainarayan]

Other than being polite asking questions

Which is permissible. Polite and respectful questions are permitted, commenting, debating or discussion are not unless one has X religion on their profile for that DIR. So I don't see what the problem has been or what your squawk is about.

Think it proves the point that a lot of religious orthodoxy provides some of the most hypocrisy.

It's your right to believe that.

Thus as one of Hinduism's god's thanks for making it clear we're not welcome in your religion; which is fine will pass it on to the rest.

Which god? How can a Hindu god not be welcomed by Hindus or in Hinduism?

Do you listen properly; the Bible is a snare, it is meant to be upside down Dharma in many places, to catch out those that would go contrary...

So? What does the Bible have to do with Hinduism? Why should Hindus be concerned with it? I already said we have more than enough scriptures and texts to guide us, without the Bible.

This is what i spend my time doing talking with Christians, explaining how they don't follow the Dharma, and due to this Hindu bigotry towards Abrahmic beliefs of not even listening, you all think i'm a Christian.

No, it's because you seem hellbent on conflating the Bible and Abrahamic beliefs with Hinduism. Oil and water.

The Rishi would have questioned reality if presented to them

Yeah well, they did. Their conclusions are called Vedas, Upanishads, Samhitas, Aranyakas, Brahmanas, Puranas, Agamas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Tirumurai, Sutras and a bazillion more.

 

[Jainarayan]

not that I would even post in a 'BadgersDIR'

Is that like Groucho Marx's quip “I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”?

 

[wizanda]

Picasso, Pollock, Dali

Amazing post, i loved the metaphors; it really was reaching out with brush strokes...

Each was an abstract artist, and I'm more trying to be a construction engineer, systematically dissecting what is taking place, using a more scientific method.

So not to cherry pick as we go along, as my own theology existed before started looking at religions.

Yet the methodology for me is to make an accurate representation of the structure; where the paint of the enlightened writers globally, makes it beautiful as art from every side.

Yet what is happening with religiously minded people, they know a brush without a canvas, they know to paint before they can draw; so we have lack of comprehension in design plans first.

So since all they know is abstract art, some say that is too precise and thus we can't understand it.

In my opinion.

 

[Jainarayan]

Depends who we're speaking about, certain religious groups with more scholarly layering, get offended if you don't follow their scholars before what is in the religious texts...

OK, let's take two verses from Bhagavad Gita, and interpret them without an ācārya's commentary:

9.23 "O [Arjuna], even those devotees who faithfully worship other gods also worship me. But they do so by the wrong method."

9.30 "Even if the vilest sinners worship me with exclusive devotion, they are to be considered righteous, for they have made the proper resolve."

What do each of those verses mean?