Why would god require human sacrifice?

[ruffen]

The above has got nothing to do with Jesus.
It is just a conjecture by somebody or an attempt to carve a new creed from a myth.

Regards

Did we just disregard the Bible? Then what remains about Jesus' death on the cross, resurrection, and the reason for it all?

 

[paarsurrey]

Did we just disregard the Bible? Then what remains about Jesus' death on the cross, resurrection, and the reason for it all?

Bible is neither authored by G-d nor by Jesus. Jesus never authorized anybody expressly to write anything on his behalf. He did not proof-read it.
Its contents are mix; most of it is therefore any unauthorized stuff.

Regards

 

[idav]

Did we just disregard the Bible? Then what remains about Jesus' death on the cross, resurrection, and the reason for it all?

Question. Do you believe that at the last supper that the eating the body and drinking the blood of christ is a metaphor? He didn't have to literally shed his blood at the supper, what was it for? I often think the whole thing is symbolic, since everything christ did was symbolic. It doesn't make me want to take what he said literally, everything would be symbolic except that blood stuff.

 

[ruffen]

Question. Do you believe that at the last supper that the eating the body and drinking the blood of christ is a metaphor? He didn't have to literally shed his blood at the supper, what was it for? I often think the whole thing is symbolic, since everything christ did was symbolic. It doesn't make me want to take what he said literally, everything would be symbolic except that blood stuff.

Well, that right there is the problem of cherrypicking. One selects whatever fits with one's own intuitions, and deselects everything else. It says clearly in the Bible that Jesus was sacrificed. Multiple times. You can of course say that this is symbolic or that you don't care what it says in the Bible, but it does say that Jesus was sacrificed.

Personally I believe that Jesus never existed. But according to the scripture as well as the religious doctrine of many major Christian churches, it was indeed a sacrifice to pay the ransom for man's sin. Payment of a blood price or "the ultimate sacrifice" where Jesus died so that anyone who follows him can have eternal life. So basically his death was a sacrifice, a payment.

 

[idav]

Well, that right there is the problem of cherrypicking. One selects whatever fits with one's own intuitions, and deselects everything else. It says clearly in the Bible that Jesus was sacrificed. Multiple times. You can of course say that this is symbolic or that you don't care what it says in the Bible, but it does say that Jesus was sacrificed.

Personally I believe that Jesus never existed. But according to the scripture as well as the religious doctrine of many major Christian churches, it was indeed a sacrifice to pay the ransom for man's sin. Payment of a blood price or "the ultimate sacrifice" where Jesus died so that anyone who follows him can have eternal life. So basically his death was a sacrifice, a payment.

Well as you quoted the important scripture, it is certainly what Paul believed. However Jesus accomplished it at the passover supper, without literally having to shed his blood so don't know why Paul would have taken that so literally, except that he wasn't really an apostle. The bread is symbolic of eternal life taken from Old Testament also.

Luke 22
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

John 6
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

I don't think he was talking about vampirism.

 

[Sleeppy]

Well as you quoted the important scripture, it is certainly what Paul believed. However Jesus accomplished it at the passover supper, without literally having to shed his blood so don't know why Paul would have taken that so literally, except that he wasn't really an apostle. The bread is symbolic of eternal life taken from Old Testament also.





I don't think he was talking about vampirism.

Paul took it literally, because it literally happened. Jesus was tortured, crucified, and died. His blood poured out from his side, and from the many wounds that were inflicted before he was hung up. Jesus knew what he was in for. He accepted his death, because he understood that what he stood for would have profit. His body would be broken, and his blood would spill. His death would produce guilt, and subsequent reformation. His prayer at Gethsemane expressed what any living thing would feel, knowing death was imminent; but his last prayer was an acceptance of God's will, which he understood is not subverted by the wills of men. And when his disciples were willing to fight (12 legions), he prevented them, acknowledging that he was above the worldly cycle of revenge (resisting evil with evil) which always proves inefficient, generation after generation.

Matthew 5

`Ye heard that it was said: Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth; but I -- I say to you, not to resist the evil, but whoever shall slap thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other; and whoever is willing to take thee to law, and thy coat to take -- suffer to him also the cloak. `And whoever shall impress thee one mile, go with him two, to him who is asking of thee be giving, and him who is willing to borrow from thee thou mayest not turn away. `Ye heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and shalt hate thine enemy; but I -- I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you falsely, and persecuting you, that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous.

People really don't get it, to this day.

 

[viole]

He wouldn't. Human sacrifice is forbidden.

So, Abraham had just a lucid dream when ordered to sacrifice Isaac?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Paul took it literally, because it literally happened. Jesus was tortured, crucified, and died. His blood poured out from his side, and from the many wounds that were inflicted before he was hung up. Jesus knew what he was in for. He accepted his death, because he understood that what he stood for would have profit. His body would be broken, and his blood would spill. His death would produce guilt, and subsequent reformation. His prayer at Gethsemane expressed what any living thing would feel, knowing death was imminent; but his last prayer was an acceptance of God's will, which he understood is not subverted by the wills of men. And when his disciples were willing to fight (12 legions), he prevented them, acknowledging that he was above the worldly cycle of revenge (resisting evil with evil) which always proves inefficient, generation after generation.

Matthew 5


People really don't get it, to this day.

Big deal.

He also knew He would come back soon.

Ciao

- viole

 

[paarsurrey]

Question. Do you believe that at the last supper that the eating the body and drinking the blood of christ is a metaphor? He didn't have to literally shed his blood at the supper, what was it for? I often think the whole thing is symbolic, since everything christ did was symbolic. It doesn't make me want to take what he said literally, everything would be symbolic except that blood stuff.

The context of the text decided which is to be taken symbolic and which is literal; or the whole of it is just a myth.

Regards

 

[Sleeppy]

Big deal.

He also knew He would come back soon.

Ciao

- viole

Ok. Is there a problem?

 

[viole]

Ok. Is there a problem?

No problem. It just does not look like much of a sacrifice.

A weekend off for our sins?

Does not share the same drama as death for our sins, but it is what happened according to the legend.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Knight of Albion]

I think you'll find it's only a love 'sacrifice' (i.e. Service) God requires ...

 

[Sleeppy]

No problem. It just does not look much of a sacrifice.

A weekend off for our sins?

Does not share the same drama as death for our sins, but it is what happened according to the legend.

Ciao

- viole

It's an example. People all over the world are living torturous lives, and dying- many of them children. Jesus is not the only sacrifice. These deaths should be helping people understand the importance of treating one another as we would want to be treated. But if no one accepts these sacrifices and feels guilt or responsibility, it has no effect, and the cycle continues indefinitely. The specific Scripture Jesus affirmed/testified of, in relation to his resurrection, also says that everyone dying in this manner will be raised to eternal life, within days. Jesus lives spiritually on Earth, through the example- but the gospels also say that these sacrificed individuals live elsewhere physically, in paradise.

 

[viole]

It's an example. People all over the world are living torturous lives, and dying- many of them children. Jesus is not the only sacrifice. These deaths should be helping people understand the importance of treating one another as we would want to be treated. But if no one accepts these sacrifices and feels guilt or responsibility, it has no effect, and the cycle continues indefinitely. The specific Scripture Jesus affirmed/testified of, in relation to his resurrection, also says that everyone dying in this manner will be raised to eternal life, within days. Jesus lives spiritually on Earth, through the example- but the gospels also say that these sacrificed individuals live elsewhere physically, in paradise.

What do you mean with dying in that matter? If I get crucified, will I resurrect to eternal life in a matter of days?

If that is the case, Heaven is full of Roman criminals.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Curious_Cat]

And in this case it was God catching a bullet for us to make us see how stupid our actions can be.

This is why I have no interest in christianity.. If there is a God, I would imagine one attribute would be immortality. Personally I doubt Jesus was real, if he was real, a peacemaker no God or son of God.

Im glad I read your post..will steer clear of christianity and its illogical reasonings and myths.

I am an Atheist because christianity does not make any sense at the most fundamental level to me.

 

[Robert.Evans]

In the bible god says not to in the OT but the founder is said to have been asked to sacrifice his first son Isaac. God said just kidding.

Then god finishes the task by sacrificing his own human son.

Why would such archaic barbaric means be necessary? Human sacrifice of a perfect innocent and blood is the real means. Is that some sort of satanic type worship or something with baby sacrifice, not to say satanists do that but sure makes sense to many christians.

So far all I have seen is excuses for his sacrifice. In Cannan they were practising such things, things which forbidden, and yet, that very place where 'El' was seen before Yahh, we then find the very same thing carried out on his own son, the son of God. Either animal or human sacrifice has been carried out in many parts of the world. There is no surprise to this, it is part of the Consciousness that makes up everything and is part of us one way or another.

People die every day just from old age. That is your own personal sacrifice of yourself to God. Everything has to die, as it is the dying that releases what is within. It is not as simple as to say 'God could forgive, he does not need to do this', it is far more complicated.

There are many heavenly powers that fight one another- they are replicated here on earth. In killing one, the enemy, (just as the Jews saw it), they actually performed the sacrifice that we had been waiting for. This is the changing of what is within, the shaping of Self. It is the only sacrifice that was pure, as it did not touch the lower realms that were unclean.

Without separation there is no Freewill and therefore no life. Without death, there is no separation and therefore no Freewill and therefore no life. We leave the body to return to the body. What dies will live.

 

[Sleeppy]

What do you mean with dying in that matter? If I get crucified, will I resurrect to eternal life in a matter of days?

If that is the case, Heaven is full of Roman criminals.

Ciao

- viole

Dying in, and oftentimes, because of innocence -even humility.. Dying with the intention of love, which is peace -even pacifism. Everyone will be resurrected to life, but those who have been regarded as the least and the last, will be first and greater than all others. These men, women, and children will teach, and baptize the rest into paradise.

 

[Sleeppy]

This is why I have no interest in christianity.. If there is a God, I would imagine one attribute would be immortality. Personally I doubt Jesus was real, if he was real, a peacemaker no God or son of God.

Im glad I read your post..will steer clear of christianity and its illogical reasonings and myths.

I am an Atheist because christianity does not make any sense at the most fundamental level to me.

Christianity isn't the only religion; it doesn't make much sense to go from considering Christianity, to considering nothing at all. There are plenty of other religions capable of satisfying such a small prerequisite list; plenty of other immortal gods and goddesses you can consider. Although- Christians still regard God as being immortal; we just also believe God is capable of limiting Himself to various forms, including that of humans, and dying in human form, while still existing with enough power to resurrect himself, and whomever He determines to.

 

[viole]

Dying in, and oftentimes, because of innocence -even humility.. Dying with the intention of love, which is peace -even pacifism. Everyone will be resurrected to life, but those who have been regarded as the least and the last, will be first and greater than all others. These men, women, and children will teach, and baptize the rest into paradise.

Cool, if that means I will just stay dead a bit longer than the others.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Sleeppy]

Cool, if that means I will just stay dead a bit longer than the others.

Ciao

- viole

Don't listen to the people condemning you, who haven't condemned themselves.