rightly so. yes this is what i'm talking about. these rules were made up to explain the unexplainable...
today we know what causes diseases, and we have been able to find cures for some..
so if in fact disease is a consequence of sin why are we able to cure them?certainly not with gods blessing since he created the circumstance of disease because of the original sin...therefore going to the doctor and taking meds would be going against gods will...right?
Not at all - like I said, God didn't make the choice to allow sin into Creation - He had to make the choice available because true love involves a choice. I love my wife but I don't keep my wife locked up in the closet so she can't leave me - she loves me too which is why she stays despite the time I spend talking on forums on the internet, eating Doritos and playing video games. She could leave at any moment - she has that option but chooses to stay because that is how real love works.
We can cure diseases for the same reason a tree can lose some limbs in an ice storm and grow new ones or any other example that I can't think of right now - we can cure the diseases but we can't seem to cure the hatred or the bigotry or the violence and we certainly can't cure death.
that is a rule man made up...
we are more aware of what causes certain diseases and we have learned how to prevent them, yet still be sinful...
another rule man made up
oh i see what you mean but since we are not guilty of it we are subjected to it, so what is the difference?
I disagree about the rule stuff, I'm just presenting what I believe to be true. I believe it came outside of man, you don't. We can agree to disagree.
are we then created sick and then demanded to be healed?
Not sick, lets say a weak immune system. We aren't guilty of sin until we commit a sin, which involves us making a choice. A lot of people don't demand to be healed - they like doing their own thing and don't want anything to do with God. Some people realize they are sick and want a cure.
if you take the original sin story literally, you would have to concede that god in his omniscience knew a & e were going to fail...
which puts god in a position of intent. meaning he intended for us to suffer
I agree God knew what was going to happen. I disagree that God intended for us to suffer. God intended for us to freely choose to love Him and accept the love He gives us. I wish I could come up with a good metaphor...Ok, you know that if you have a child that child will suffer, get hurt, probably have its heart broken, get sick and then die - so why would you have the child?
1) Because you have a great love for the child because it is yours - you created it.
2) Because you want the child to experience all the beautiful things in life, you want the child to grow up and be a good person, you want to give life because you have so much love.
3) It's a two way street - if you had a kid just to have a slave and forced it to do everything you say and kept it chained up in the closet until it died and brainwashed it to believe everything you said, there would be NO LOVE. But if you teach the kid, discipline the kid, love the kid and then at 18 or 21 let him live his own life in the world, he can choose to never come back to you or speak to you again - or he could come visit and call and hang out and reciprocate the love you gave him - that is real love.
So why did God make humanity, knowing they would turn from Him, suffer, get sick, get hurt, have broken hearts and then die?
See 1, 2 and 3 above. He hoped they would come back to Him - and He knew that X amount of them would.
