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Why would God send good people to Hell just because they dont believe he exists?
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otokage007
Well-Known Member
Because God isn't a good being at all. In fact, did you know that according to the Bible, God have killed almost 34 million of people? I don't think he cares a s**** if you go to Hell baby.
blueman
God's Warrior
Although we were created in God's image and certainly have capacity to do goods things, sin was imputed on mankind. The Bible states that there is no one righteous in the site of God, no not one. From God's perspective, there is no one who is innocent as a result, but through the free gift of salvation that rests in Jesus Christ, we have the opportunity to be redeemed and have a relationship with God.
Does God really send people to hell or do people make that decision for Him as a result of their rejection of Him? Hell represents eternal separation from God and in reality, people who live all of their lives separated from God to pursue whatever other interests that please and consume their lives, God just makes permanent at the end of the day.
Does God really send people to hell or do people make that decision for Him as a result of their rejection of Him? Hell represents eternal separation from God and in reality, people who live all of their lives separated from God to pursue whatever other interests that please and consume their lives, God just makes permanent at the end of the day.
waitasec
Veteran Member
not according to gen 8:21...
it's an interesting notion that with all this unrighteousness in the world, god would offer the most unethical solution, to take ones own responsibility and culpability...
are you going to destroy your offspring when they second guess you?
i certainly hope not...
This is exactly why I find Judaism to be so unique in this regard. We are (at least to my knowledge) the only religion that states that you do NOT have to be a member of our religion to find favor before God and earn a special place in the Afterlife. We believe that the Torah is a truth for all humanity, and God has laid out an Instructions for Living manual for ALL people. This is precisely what the 7 Noahide Laws are all about. It is very hard for everyone to keep 613 commandments; lucky for you, only Jews are required to keep them. God gave humanity 7 simple laws that would ensure that the world lives in a peaceful and harmonious way, and that the world united with the Jewish People in serving the One True God. For God to create somebody and place that person into a certain family and then expect him to follow one way or be doomed is too sadistic, and God certainly is not a sadist.
This is an excerpt from a great article about this:
The Jewish idea is that the Torah of Moses is a truth for all humanity, whether Jewish or not. The Torah (as explained in the Talmud - Sanhedrin 58b) presents seven mitzvot for non-Jews to observe. These seven laws are the pillars of human civilization, and are named the "Seven Laws of Noah," since all humans are descended from Noah. They are:
- Do not murder.
- Do not steal.
- Do not worship false gods.
- Do not be sexually immoral.
- Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
- Do not curse God.
- Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.
Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these laws earns a proper place in heaven. So you see, the Torah is for all humanity, no conversion necessary.
As well, when King Solomon built the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, he specifically asked God to heed the prayer of non-Jews who come to the Temple (1-Kings 8:41-43). The Temple was the universal center of spirituality, which the prophet Isaiah referred to as a "house for all nations." The service in the Holy Temple during the week of Sukkot featured a total of 70 bull offerings, corresponding to each of the 70 nations of the world. In fact, the Talmud says if the Romans would have realized how much they were benefiting from the Temple, they never would have destroyed it!
Today, there are many active groups of non-Jews called "B'nai Noach" who faithfully observe the Seven Laws of Noah.
There is an excellent book on the topic, called:
"The Path of the Righteous Gentile"
by Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky.
The link to this article is: The 7 Noachide Laws
waitasec
Veteran Member
The main issue with all these threads are, why worry where a God you don't believe in will send you?
My main objection with religious folks is judging others.
It is not up to us to decide what God does or does not do. If you believe in him, you should not question his judgement. If you do not believe, why worry about it?
My main objection with religious folks is judging others.
It is not up to us to decide what God does or does not do. If you believe in him, you should not question his judgement. If you do not believe, why worry about it?
waitasec
Veteran Member
i'm just curious why anyone would worship a god they think is capable of doing such a thing...
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
The gist of what Jesus teaches is that God expects perfection. The problem is that we are incapable of acheiving that. Because we have all transgressed to some degree, God offers forgiveness through believing in Jesus. It is only through this that man can be considered righteous and innocent according to Jesus. Therefore all of our efforts to achieve righteousness on our own by trying to keep our sins to a minimum or by abstaining from "the big sins" are in vain. We're still guilty, at least according to Jesus. If you've violated one part of God's law, you've violated all of it according to him.
This thread is different because the OP believes in God. Therefore they should be more interested in a personal relationship with God instead of worrying about what self righteous church members think.
My understanding is, no one is worthy of everlasting life. Believing and accepting the gift of salvation has more to do with going to heaven than deeds here on earth.
Christians are forgiven not above others, therefore they are saved by grace not works.
James makes an excellent point however that anyone saved by grace cannot help but have works.
As I understand things, going to heaven is about faith and accepting the gift of salvation and forgiveness not about anything else.
Why on earth would anyone spend any time worrying about God and his judgement?
I don't worry about the flying spaghetti monster swooping down and eating me at night.
You either believe in God or you don't. You either accept the gift of salvation or you don't.
People get confused with God and the son of God.
The son of God was all about love.
God the father was feared because he is a jealous vengeful God.
If you believe, you have nothing to worry about.
If you don't believe, what are you worrying about, that you could be wrong?
Making statements about how wrong a God is you don't believe in makes no sense.
It really does not matter if God is great or cruel now does it? If he is real, you will deal with him regardless.
I'm trying to make sense of people who say they don't believe in God because they don't like something about him.
My understanding is, no one is worthy of everlasting life. Believing and accepting the gift of salvation has more to do with going to heaven than deeds here on earth.
Christians are forgiven not above others, therefore they are saved by grace not works.
James makes an excellent point however that anyone saved by grace cannot help but have works.
As I understand things, going to heaven is about faith and accepting the gift of salvation and forgiveness not about anything else.
Why on earth would anyone spend any time worrying about God and his judgement?
I don't worry about the flying spaghetti monster swooping down and eating me at night.
You either believe in God or you don't. You either accept the gift of salvation or you don't.
People get confused with God and the son of God.
The son of God was all about love.
God the father was feared because he is a jealous vengeful God.
If you believe, you have nothing to worry about.
If you don't believe, what are you worrying about, that you could be wrong?
Making statements about how wrong a God is you don't believe in makes no sense.
It really does not matter if God is great or cruel now does it? If he is real, you will deal with him regardless.
I'm trying to make sense of people who say they don't believe in God because they don't like something about him.
waitasec
Veteran Member
the concept of creating us sick and then presented with an ultimatum for not finding a cure
stumps me....
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You cannot base your belief on what you like and don't like.
God is either real and we all will have to deal with him regardless of what we personally think, or he is not real and we don't have anything to worry about.
How silly is it to worry about the attributes of a God you don't believe in?
How silly would it be to challenge an all powerful God if he was real?
waitasec
Veteran Member
well it's not a belief it's an opinion about belief.
really i don't see it as silly because this belief justifies injustices.
aren't you glad i'm here to tell you that...?
blueman
God's Warrior
A sovereign God has done it before and through justification will do it again.
well it's not a belief it's an opinion about belief.
really i don't see it as silly because this belief justifies injustices.
aren't you glad i'm here to tell you that...?
We have always had good dialog waitasec. I believe we have always maintained a healthy respect for one another.
I don't condone injustice and I respect a difference of opinion.
I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong. All I am saying is if you follow the logical conclusion to either side of this subject, there is nothing to worry about.
I hope I am wrong here, and I hope you are not saying that everyone should believe as you do because you don't like the God that some folks believe in.
waitasec
Veteran Member
but within the process of a discourse ideals are challenged... and hopefully the faulty one will change course.
no...
i'm here to have my ideals challenged too.
waitasec
Veteran Member
not according to gen 8:21
no, this passages says there is absolutely no inclination to do good...
our imagination is evil...not a part of it...if you can present to me a passage that says god thinks we have the potential to be good...i'll concede.
so far from what i have read is that we are lowly creatures who are not capable of being good...the only thing that is good in us is jesus in us...
do you tell your children, 'no matter how hard you try, if you are not just like me you failed'?
I don't believe either of us can prove what is faulty and what is not.
If God does not exist, there is no issue.
If God does exist, we will all have to deal with him on his terms not ours.
I personally trust that God will do what is just. I don't judge people and try my best to treat everyone like I would want to be treated.
The more I study religion, the more I believe that the word of God has been perverted over time to reflect the desires of man not God.
If there is a God, I believe he will be fair and just. The thing is, an all powerful God will not be challenged with much success. The devil comes to mind, I would not want to be him.