Why would God send good people to Hell just because they dont believe he exists?

[Heathen Hammer]

But, isn't there adversity in suffering?

How would you handle what Job endured ?

Isaiah chapter 53 foretold some of the suffering Jesus would go through,
and at Isaiah [50v6] mentions Jesus persecutors even plucking off his beard.

-Matthew chapter 27

I'd handle it fine.

Having what you lost restored afterwards, is nothing.

 

[Muffled]

First we have to ask why he would be compared to the wild creatures that God made since animals in general are not perceived as crafty. If they were then I would understand the comparison. Secondly, I would have to say that since the serpent in the garden was an animal, the comparison was of one animal to the others. And as I pointed out to URAVIP2ME, if the serpent in the garden was in fact not one of the wild creatures, why did God choose to curse the wild creature?

The text seems to indicate a change from a cognitive creature to a wild creature. However it would seem to be more symbolic than actual. A similar symbol is that of the snake on a pole to ward off snakebite. (And Jesus on the cross to ward off sin)

The appearence of the serpent is that of a wild creature that is not cognitive so the comparison is made to show that the serpent is not a wild creature because of its cognition. If man did not have cognition He would be a beast of the field also.

 

[Muffled]

The Serpent in the garden of Eden is misconstrued as evil. No, Its not evil. It`s the Cain present in all of us.

In the Greek New Testament, Cain is referred to as εκ του πονηρου. In at least one translation this is rendered "from the evil one", while others have "of the evil one." Some interpreters take this to mean that Cain was literally the son of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. A parallel idea can be found in Jewish tradition, that the serpent (Hebrew nahash נח&#1513 from the Garden of Eden was father to firstborn Cain.

The Bible quite clearly states that Cain is the son of Adam and Eve. If the serpent is actually Hel, He/she already had children. It is also apparent that there was enmity between the races since Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden.

Hel is a shapeshifter. Normally he/she is in human form as a man or woman but changes into the shape of an animal to play tricks on people.

 

[waitasec]

But, isn't there adversity in suffering?

How would you handle what Job endured ?

Isaiah chapter 53 foretold some of the suffering Jesus would go through,
and at Isaiah [50v6] mentions Jesus persecutors even plucking off his beard.

-Matthew chapter 27

are you that naive that you actually beleive people are not suffering...
really?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

waitasec-

Didn't Job suffer ?

Didn't Jesus suffer ?

Doesn't the news show suffering?

So where do you get the idea anyone would say people are not suffering?

 

[waitasec]

waitasec-

Didn't Job suffer ?

in the account of job in the hebrew text, yes
doesn't mean anything though...as far as i'm concerned he's a fictitious character

Didn't Jesus suffer ?

in the gospel account yes
but so do characters in fictitious stories...what's your point?

Doesn't the news show suffering?

oh yes plenty and i would argue part of the reason is because of
the insistence of defending bronze age ideals

So where do you get the idea anyone would say people are not suffering?

then explain why you brought up job?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Ghost, yours is too long for me to go point by point. I got kind of burnt out doing that with 3 or 4 people.

I understand completely. You get involved in too many discussions you get overwhelmed to a point where you just don't want to reply in any of them.

I think we were at an impasse anyways, or so it seemed. Plus I can only go so far in most of these discussions - we're getting into really specific stuff and I'm just not smart enough yet or spiritually mature enough yet to have the kind of information and understanding required of me. You're talking about ancient Jewish beliefs of Satan and other things that I really don't have any business commenting on.

I do like the issues you raise about salvation and unconditional love as well as the whole Satan in the presence of God in Job thing. I guess I just don't see any inconstancies there.

We will all stand guilty before the judgement seat of God, so obviously God will be in the presence of sinful people and sin. I guess when Christians say that God cannot be in the presence of evil, maybe it has something more to do with relationship and intimacy rather than simply proximity. I'd never thought of it that way but it would give even more meaning to the fact that we can find reconciliation through Christ - not only will we be in God's presence but we will actually be in relationship with Him. There's a BIG difference between being in the same room with someone and having a relationship with them.

And just because Adam and Eve were eternal doesn't mean that all the plant and animal life around them was eternal. It is assuming too much to say that they did not understand life and death - they could have understood it very clearly by observing it in the world around them. I don't know if they did or not.

I only want to comment on one thing here: if you don't know if they did or did not understand life and death then isn't it possible that by believing they did, you yourself may be assuming too much?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Good thinking question and 'no', A&E are not in hell [sheol]
They were not created with human imperfection.
Their sin could only be deliberate.
No resurrection was offered to them.
In Bible speak that would put them in 'Gehenna'.
[Gehenna is a symbol of destruction/ second death]

First let me say that though they weren't created with imperfection, they were imperfect when they died, correct? And, you say that when they ate the fruit their DNA was changed to the point that their bodies would age and die. That being the case, our DNA today is exactly like theirs was after the fall, right? In every way that matters, they were no different than us yet they were not judged the same?

Second, where does it say any of this in scripture?

Adam and Eve were never meant to be 'born again' because they were created to live physically forever on Earth.
Heaven was never their destination.

Think about it, we were never meant to be born again either. We were supposed to live forever on Earth and Heaven (or hell) was never supposed to be our destination.

So, in other words, if Adam had not eaten the fruit he would be alive on earth today in a perfectly sound healthy human body.

I don't think you understood the question. What if Adam had not eaten but Eve still had?

We are Not held responsible.
If we were there would be No hope of a resurrection for us.
[If we could stop sinning we would not die. Because we can't, we die]
Because we are Not held responsible, through Jesus, he now has the keys to unlock death and hell [sheol] for us according to Revelation 1v18.

We are held responsible in that God chose to curse all of mankind with death for the actions of two people.

As far as scientific explanation: We know everything wears down.
So, apparently it was God's protection and blessing is what maintained Adam and Eve's human perfection as long as obedient. [Psalm 102vs25-28]

That's hardly a scientific explanation. Besides, saying "We know everything wears down" would be like saying God blew snot over the entire planet and answering a skeptic with: "Well, we know grass is green." It is a non-sequitur.

Aren't we 'threatened' with everlasting life ?
'Obey and live forever' does not sound very threatening to me.

From another perspective it looks like "Obey or else." Eternal damnation is not punishment or discipline, it's revenge.

Eve gives as an explanation [Gen 3v13] not their nakedness,
but that she was beguiled or deceived. [2nd Cor 11v3]

Huh? I'm not sure I see your point here. You said Adam was responsible yet it was Eve whom God questioned about it. As for the issue of their nakedness, it's pretty obvious to me that after their eyes were opened to good and evil, they became aware of their nakedness and were ashamed and covered up. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.

Finally, you have yet to answer the question about the serpent's craftiness. Why was the wild animal serpent's craftiness brought up if it had nothing to do with what transpired?

 

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God sends people to hell because...

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[St Giordano Bruno]

As a Catholic kid I felt I would have to live such an impossibly virtuous life it would be impossible for me to avoid Hell no matter how hard I tried, so I might as well not believe God exists at because I felt I was doomed anyway.

 

[InChrist]

As a Catholic kid I felt I would have to live such an impossibly virtuous life it would be impossible for me to avoid Hell no matter how hard I tried, so I might as well not believe God exists at because I felt I was doomed anyway.

That is the reason Jesus Christ is the Savior... because it is impossible for humans to live a perfectly virtuous life. Yet, He did and His righteousness is applied to the life of those who put their trust in Him. I was raised Catholic, also. Now my faith is in Christ alone.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

First let me say that though they weren't created with imperfection, they were imperfect when they died, correct? And, you say that when they ate the fruit their DNA was changed to the point that their bodies would age and die. That being the case, our DNA today is exactly like theirs was after the fall, right? In every way that matters, they were no different than us yet they were not judged the same?
Second, where does it say any of this in scripture?
Think about it, we were never meant to be born again either. We were supposed to live forever on Earth and Heaven (or hell) was never supposed to be our destination.
I don't think you understood the question. What if Adam had not eaten but Eve still had?
We are held responsible in that God chose to curse all of mankind with death for the actions of two people.
That's hardly a scientific explanation. Besides, saying "We know everything wears down" would be like saying God blew snot over the entire planet and answering a skeptic with: "Well, we know grass is green." It is a non-sequitur.
From another perspective it looks like "Obey or else." Eternal damnation is not punishment or discipline, it's revenge.
Huh? I'm not sure I see your point here. You said Adam was responsible yet it was Eve whom God questioned about it. As for the issue of their nakedness, it's pretty obvious to me that after their eyes were opened to good and evil, they became aware of their nakedness and were ashamed and covered up. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
Finally, you have yet to answer the question about the serpent's craftiness. Why was the wild animal serpent's craftiness brought up if it had nothing to do with what transpired?

Satan used his craftiness to deceive Eve. [1st Timothy 2v14]
What does 2nd Cor.[11 vs3,14] say in connection to the serpent and Satan?
John makes his connection to the serpent and Satan at Rev. [12vs9,12].

A&E had to be created with human perfection in order to be offered everlasting life if obedient.
Only disobedience could change their circumstances for the worse. [Physically, mentally, spiritually]

Yes, they were imperfect when and by the time that they died.
Yes, they were Not judged the same because unlike perfect Adam and Eve we can sin out of our imperfect state.
They could only sin on purpose not by chance. They did not have to start sinning [disobeying] .
We, on the other hand, can Not stop sinning.
No matter how hard we might try to reject sin would not prove there is no sin. [Just like a broken thermometer would Not prove there is no fever].
Because we can not stop sinning we die.
Who can resurrect oneself or another?__________

It's chapter five of Romans that says through Adam sin entered the world,
death spread through sin, and death spread to all men.....all have sinned.

What if Adam had not eaten although Eve did. Adam would have retained his humanly perfect state.
Apparently perfection would over ride imperfection meaning their children would have been born with his sin-free perfection.
Adam, as our perfect family head, would have passed down to us his perfect DNA.
Between A&E only Eve would have had to pay the penalty of eat=death.

Just because everything wears down [mountains to sea] does not mean they are not replenished.
New mountains are formed. New trees spring up from old trees, etc.

Obey or else: death. Its capital punishment for committing the crime.
God can not lie [Titus 1v2]. If they would not have died God would be a liar.
Adam chose to 'curse', so to speak, us not God.
Adam's choice: to listen or disobey.
How is death revenge ? God never said there was post-mortem penalties.
Death was the penalty [Romans 6v7,23] not being damned anywhere.
Because Jesus will undo death, [Jesus has the keys to unlock death and the grave [Rev 1v18], except for those of Matthew [12v32],
all the rest of mankind will have a resurrection. Resurrected to heaven,
or resurrected to life right here on a paradisaic earth starting with Jesus messianic 1000-year reign over earth.
On a small scale [Noah and 7 others] the earth was made new by the Flood.
On a GRAND scale now the earth will be made new by the words from Jesus mouth.

-[Isaiah 11vs3-9; Rev. 19v15; Jeremiah 25vs31-33]

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Satan used his craftiness to deceive Eve. [1st Timothy 2v14]
What does 2nd Cor.[11 vs3,14] say in connection to the serpent and Satan?
John makes his connection to the serpent and Satan at Rev. [12vs9,12].

We're not talking about Satan's craftiness or his deception in the form of the serpent recounted elsewhere in scripture, we're talking about the wild creature that God had made and its craftiness that was specifically mentioned in Genesis. So this still does not answer the question as to why it was mentioned if it had nothing to do with the situation. Can you answer the question or not?

A&E had to be created with human perfection in order to be offered everlasting life if obedient.
Only disobedience could change their circumstances for the worse. [Physically, mentally, spiritually]

Yes, they were imperfect when and by the time that they died.
Yes, they were Not judged the same because unlike perfect Adam and Eve we can sin out of our imperfect state.
They could only sin on purpose not by chance. They did not have to start sinning [disobeying] .

They sinned on purpose but we only sin by chance yet we are the ones being judged and who require salvation? Doesn't this seem a little bass ackward to you?

What if Adam had not eaten although Eve did. Adam would have retained his humanly perfect state.
Apparently perfection would over ride imperfection meaning their children would have been born with his sin-free perfection.

What do you mean "apparently"? There's nothing apparent about anything. It was a hypothetical and never happened so there is no precedent upon which to say that anything is apparent. So being that there was no precedent like this prior to the events in the garden and that nothing like it has happened since, for all you know, the DNA of Adam's perfection may not have superseded Eve's imperfection and we would be in the same situation we are today, correct?

Adam, as our perfect family head, would have passed down to us his perfect DNA.
Between A&E only Eve would have had to pay the penalty of eat=death.

Are we still talking about DNA or are we talking about magic? Because any biologist will tell you that if you mix perfect DNA with imperfect DNA, the results will be, by default, imperfect. Meaning that, even if imperfection or mutation is not evident in the first generation, the possibility for mutation now exists and will arise eventually in a future generation.

If you want to talk science then let's talk science and stick to what we know about how DNA works. What we know about DNA is that it doesn't work like that.
If you want to talk about divine magic then let's talk about divine magic and leave DNA out of it. Because DNA would only be relevant insofar as God is the one who made it imperfect through magic.

Just because everything wears down [mountains to sea] does not mean they are not replenished.
New mountains are formed. New trees spring up from old trees, etc.

Okay, but I never argued that things that wear down are not replenished, that was not my point. My point was that using the argument that things wear down does not support the belief that entropy was initiated in the Garden of Eden. By the same token, saying that grass is green does not support the idea that God blew his cosmic nose on the planet.

Obey or else: death. Its capital punishment for committing the crime.
God can not lie [Titus 1v2]. If they would not have died God would be a liar.
Adam chose to 'curse', so to speak, us not God.
Adam's choice: to listen or disobey.
How is death revenge ? God never said there was post-mortem penalties.
Death was the penalty [Romans 6v7,23] not being damned anywhere.
Because Jesus will undo death, [Jesus has the keys to unlock death and the grave [Rev 1v18], except for those of Matthew [12v32],
all the rest of mankind will have a resurrection. Resurrected to heaven,
or resurrected to life right here on a paradisaic earth starting with Jesus messianic 1000-year reign over earth.
On a small scale [Noah and 7 others] the earth was made new by the Flood.
On a GRAND scale now the earth will be made new by the words from Jesus mouth.

-[Isaiah 11vs3-9; Rev. 19v15; Jeremiah 25vs31-33]

Revelations 20:15: If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Daniel 12:2: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt

Matthew 25:45-46: He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

John 5:28: Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 23:33: [FONT=&quot]You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Shall I go on?
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[URAVIP2ME]

We're not talking about Satan's craftiness or his deception in the form of the serpent recounted elsewhere in scripture, we're talking about the wild creature that God had made and its craftiness that was specifically mentioned in Genesis. So this still does not answer the question as to why it was mentioned if it had nothing to do with the situation. Can you answer the question or not?
They sinned on purpose but we only sin by chance yet we are the ones being judged and who require salvation? Doesn't this seem a little bass ackward to you?
What do you mean "apparently"? There's nothing apparent about anything. It was a hypothetical and never happened so there is no precedent upon which to say that anything is apparent. So being that there was no precedent like this prior to the events in the garden and that nothing like it has happened since, for all you know, the DNA of Adam's perfection may not have superseded Eve's imperfection and we would be in the same situation we are today, correct?
Are we still talking about DNA or are we talking about magic? Because any biologist will tell you that if you mix perfect DNA with imperfect DNA, the results will be, by default, imperfect. Meaning that, even if imperfection or mutation is not evident in the first generation, the possibility for mutation now exists and will arise eventually in a future generation.
If you want to talk science then let's talk science and stick to what we know about how DNA works. What we know about DNA is that it doesn't work like that.
If you want to talk about divine magic then let's talk about divine magic and leave DNA out of it. Because DNA would only be relevant insofar as God is the one who made it imperfect through magic.
Okay, but I never argued that things that wear down are not replenished, that was not my point. My point was that using the argument that things wear down does not support the belief that entropy was initiated in the Garden of Eden. By the same token, saying that grass is green does not support the idea that God blew his cosmic nose on the planet.
Revelations 20:15: If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Daniel 12:2: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt
Matthew 25:45-46: He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
John 5:28: Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 23:33: [FONT=&quot]You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Shall I go on?
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Ghost- Please go on.........

Why do you say the serpent had nothing to do with the situation?
I am saying that it did because it was the object used in deceiving Eve.

The reason why I say Adam would have had children born with human perfection is because of Mary. Mary was imperfect but her first-born Son was born with perfection because Jesus had a perfect Father.

Why did you just use Rev. [20v15 ] when verse 14 already gives the definition of the lake of fire as being the 'second death' ?

Daniel [12v2] the everlasting abhorrence or contempt is Not saying burning flames.
Proverbs [10v7] mentions the name of the wicked will rot. Rot not burn.
The desire of the wicked will 'perish' according to Psalm 112v10

Proverbs [2vs21.22; 10v30; 21v18] shows the wicked cut off: not burning.
The transgressors being rooted out of the earth. Not burned out of earth.

Matthew [25v46] That 'everlasting punishment' again is Not saying burning.

*Please notice 2nd Thess. [1v9] there punishment is connected to: everlasting destruction.

2nd Peter [3vs7 B, 9] also mentions perdition [destruction] of ungodly,
and perish also as in perish in destruction.

Psalms [92v7; 145v20] connects the wicked with annihilation or being destroyed forever.

Psalm [27v20] says hell [sheol] and destruction are never full.
Again sheol [the biblical hell] and destruction are mentioned: Not burning.

The fiery furnace of Matthew [13v42] is connected to Daniel [3v6]
Daniel would have been destroyed if not for divine protection.

Matthew [13v30] mentions burn them. When weeds are burned up they are destroyed.
Even weed-like Satan is to be destroyed according to Hebrews [2v14 B] Destroyed in 'second death' [Rev 21v8].

The English words hell and hellfire comes from the words:
sheol, haides and Gehenna.

Those religious serpents [Jewish religious leaders] of Matt [23v33]
Jesus shows they will end up in 'Gehenna'. [sheol nor haides is used there]
Gehenna was the word also used at Matt 10v28; Luke 12v5.
They receive the heavier judgment.-Mark 12v40 B.
Heavier or greater over hell [sheol]

Jesus was resurrected out of the Bible's hell. -Acts 2vs27,31; Psalm 16v10.
No one is resurrected out of Gehenna but destroyed forever.

Whereas sheol is just the common grave of mankind.
But Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed Not kept burning forever.
So, Gehenna is a fitting symbol of destruction.

John [5v29] 'rise to be condemned' [KJV resurrection of damnation] is in connection to a resurrection of judgment.
[Greek: anastasin kriseos; Latin: resurrectionem iudicii ].

That ties in with there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. [just and unjust] -Acts 24v15.

Only those that commit the unforgivable sin [Matt 12v32; Hebrews 6vs4-6]
will have no resurrection anywhere to heaven or on earth.

Because the unjust, or unrighteous, are also resurrected is showing there is also hope for them because of Jesus ransom. -Matthew 20v28.
They are not part of the heavenly first or earlier resurrection of Rev. [5vs9,10;14v4; 20v6], but they will be part of the earthly resurrection starting at the time of Jesus millennial reign over earth.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Ghost- Please go on.........

Why do you say the serpent had nothing to do with the situation?
I am saying that it did because it was the object used in deceiving Eve.

I didn't say the serpent had nothing to do with the situation, I said that the serpent's craftiness had nothing to do with the situation. As I said before, if what you say is true and the serpent was possessed or being used by Satan, why mention how crafty the serpent is?

The reason why I say Adam would have had children born with human perfection is because of Mary. Mary was imperfect but her first-born Son was born with perfection because Jesus had a perfect Father.

Jesus' DNA and indeed, Jesus himself, was not perfect. The significance of the whole salvation story is that Jesus was capable of sin but resisted temptation. If there was never any possibility for him to sin then there’s nothing to emulate and Satan’s temptation in the wilderness would have been a waste of time. Besides all that, unless I’m mistaken, the Bible only says that Jesus was perfect in the sense that he was sinless, it doesn't say his DNA was perfect.

Why did you just use Rev. [20v15 ] when verse 14 already gives the definition of the lake of fire as being the 'second death' ?

If hell is merely a second death, why make it a lake of fire? What is the point of lakes and flames when all God has to do is snap his fingers and wink them out of existence? Also, if the purpose of the fire is to destroy the wicked in a second death, logic says that after this there will be no more need of the lake of fire. So why is it everlasting?

Daniel [12v2] the everlasting abhorrence or contempt is Not saying burning flames.

Matthew [25v46] That 'everlasting punishment' again is Not saying burning.

The key word here is “everlasting”. Even if it’s not burning, if they are truly dead and their souls have been expunged from existence, they can’t very well be subject to everlasting contempt can they? Also, from whence comes the contempt, God? I thought God was all about love, mercy and forgiveness. If it comes from him or the angels or from those who have been saved then I’d say that heaven is no different from the world we live in.

Proverbs [10v7] mentions the name of the wicked will rot. Rot not burn.
The desire of the wicked will 'perish' according to Psalm 112v10

Proverbs [2vs21.22; 10v30; 21v18] shows the wicked cut off: not burning.
The transgressors being rooted out of the earth. Not burned out of earth.

*Please notice 2nd Thess. [1v9] there punishment is connected to: everlasting destruction.

2nd Peter [3vs7 B, 9] also mentions perdition [destruction] of ungodly,
and perish also as in perish in destruction.

Psalms [92v7; 145v20] connects the wicked with annihilation or being destroyed forever.

Psalm [27v20] says hell [sheol] and destruction are never full.
Again sheol [the biblical hell] and destruction are mentioned: Not burning.

Mark 9: 47-49: And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.' Everyone will be salted with fire.

The fiery furnace of Matthew [13v42] is connected to Daniel [3v6]
Daniel would have been destroyed if not for divine protection.

Where are you getting this from?

Matthew [13v30] mentions burn them. When weeds are burned up they are destroyed.
Even weed-like Satan is to be destroyed according to Hebrews [2v14 B] Destroyed in 'second death' [Rev 21v8].

So again, why fire?

 

[Sumit]

Im going to get straight to the point.

I am no Athiest. I believe there IS a higher power but I do not believe he is as wrathful as most Church's make him/her out to be.

What gets me angry about alot of Church's is that unless you follow their particular way of worship you will go to hell. What kind of rubbish is this? I thought Jesus taught people to love thy neighbor not judgeing them on Race or Religion? Or am I wrong here?

Nearly all people who participate in Church are very Judgemental, I have been told numerous times by Christians I will go to Hell if I dont change my ways..

I Don't Smoke
I Don't Gamble
I Do Partake in Alcohol but I Don't get drunk or drink to get drunk
I am a Virgin so no Sex either
I do not commit crimes

I guess they judge me wicked because I don't go to Church?
But why should I go to Church? How does going to Church make me more good?

I think God doe's Exist but I dont believe he will send people to Hell (If that place even exists) simply for " not believing in him " or not following a specific Church's practice.

Heres a Scenario.
(None of this is real it is made up as an example)

Jeff is a 43 year old man with 3 Kids aged 3,9 and 16 and a 39 year old Wife named Brenda.

Jeff is driveing home from work on a rainy night and a Truck who is driveing too fast lose's control and Smashes into Jeff's car. Killing him Instantly.

The Driver of the Truck is Arrested, Trialed and Sent to Prison for Manslaughter.

Jeff was a loveing Husband and Father and a great Friend to many.

Jeff was involved in many Charitys and raised lots of money to help Kids with disabilitys.

Jeff was an Athiest and did not believe in any god.

Uh Oh! Jeff did not believe God existed! Any Church Zealot would condemn him to Hell for this ungodly Sin...

My point is I cannot imagine God saying this.

Jeff. " But im not a Bad Person! ive made mistakes in life like a normal Human being but ive given most of my life to help people! "

God. " To bad you didn't believe in me so now you will burn in Hell for all Eternity "
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God would not Punish anyone for being a Good Person. Never.
Shame on you for believing he would.
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And for anyone who is too lazy to read this the Question is pretty much.

Why would God send people to Hell for being Good Careing Decent people?

God never send those to hell those who perform good deeds and also neither heaven nor hell is permanent,it does not matter weather you believe him or not.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

God never send those to hell those who perform good deeds and also neither heaven nor hell is permanent,it does not matter weather you believe him or not.

Didn't Jesus perform good deeds?__________

Yet Jesus was in the 'biblical hell' according to Acts 2vs27,31; Psalm 16v10

Doesn't it matter what the Bible really teaches about the words [sheol; haides; Gehenna] translated into English as hell and hellfire?
I matters if one wants to know what the Bible really teaches.

 

[Sumit]

Didn't Jesus perform good deeds?__________

Yet Jesus was in the 'biblical hell' according to Acts 2vs27,31; Psalm 16v10

Doesn't it matter what the Bible really teaches about the words [sheol; haides; Gehenna] translated into English as hell and hellfire?
I matters if one wants to know what the Bible really teaches.

If jesus performed good deeds he will be in heaven,or may have attained salvation which is rare.Dont want to talk about bible as I can point out several mistakes there.Also every creature is children of god.Einstein attained God through his Actions,Jesus through Devotion,Buddha through Meditation.All way leads to him.:rainbow1:

 

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I didn't say the serpent had nothing to do with the situation, I said that the serpent's craftiness had nothing to do with the situation. As I said before, if what you say is true and the serpent was possessed or being used by Satan, why mention how crafty the serpent is?
Jesus' DNA and indeed, Jesus himself, was not perfect. The significance of the whole salvation story is that Jesus was capable of sin but resisted temptation. If there was never any possibility for him to sin then there’s nothing to emulate and Satan’s temptation in the wilderness would have been a waste of time. Besides all that, unless I’m mistaken, the Bible only says that Jesus was perfect in the sense that he was sinless, it doesn't say his DNA was perfect.
If hell is merely a second death, why make it a lake of fire? What is the point of lakes and flames when all God has to do is snap his fingers and wink them out of existence? Also, if the purpose of the fire is to destroy the wicked in a second death, logic says that after this there will be no more need of the lake of fire. So why is it everlasting?
The key word here is “everlasting”. Even if it’s not burning, if they are truly dead and their souls have been expunged from existence, they can’t very well be subject to everlasting contempt can they? Also, from whence comes the contempt, God? I thought God was all about love, mercy and forgiveness. If it comes from him or the angels or from those who have been saved then I’d say that heaven is no different from the world we live in.
Mark 9: 47-49: And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.' Everyone will be salted with fire.
Where are you getting this from?
So again, why fire?

Satan's line of reasoning was crafty. Gen [3v1 Satan crafty statement says that God said you shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Did God say they could not eat of every tree at Gen 2v17 or just one tree?
At Gen [3v4] Satan crafts or schemes the first lie: You will not die.

Where does it say Jesus was not capable of sinning?
If that was true there would have been no reason for Satan to offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in exchange for an act of worship.
Adam was created with human perfection and fell away.
Satan was created with angelic perfection and fell away.
Perfection does not mean immortal or can not sin.
Obey God and retain a sinless nature.
Having a sinless nature would mean no death because sin=death.

The 'biblical hell' is Not 'second death'
The definition of the lake of fire is: 'second death'
What is the Bible's death?
Everyone that sins dies.
Jesus taught death is to be in a deep sleep-like state at John 11vs11-14.
The dead do not know bliss nor pain but are unconscious. Ecc 9v5
The dead sleep the sleep of death.-Psalms 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4
The difference between 'death' and 'second death' is that there is no resurrection from second death. Because there is no resurrection for those committing the unforgivable sin [Matt 12v32] their destruction according to 2nd Thess. 1v9 is everlasting destruction, as Psalm [92v7] says destroyed forever. Contempt is not fire. Contempt in the sense of Matt 12v32.

According to Scripture those resurrected to heaven have two jobs to do.
They serve as kings and priests with Jesus for a thousand years over resurrected earthly subjects. [Psalm 72v8; Rev 5vs9,10;14v4; 20v6]

The 'king' part of the job is to take care of governmental needs of earthly subjects. The 'priest' part is to care for earthly subjects spiritual needs.

Besides Mark chapter 9, Isaiah 's last verse mentions their worm will not die.
Isaiah was not saying worms have everlasting life,
but what was not burnt up would be eaten by the worms.
What the fire would not consume, the worms would consume.

That is consistent with the word 'Gehenna' which was translated into English as hell fire. Remember: Gehenna was garbage incinerater in that it was a trash pit where things were 'destroyed' not kept burning forever.
'Fire' eliminates contents not preserves it.

Isaiah [34v10] mentions that the smoke from Edom will go up forever.
Does anyone see Edom smoking today?
No because that 'smoke' represents how permanent Edom's destruction was.

In Bible times the most through means of destruction was in fire.
[Joshua 6v24; Deut. 13v16]
'Fire' was Jesus illustrative way of showing: destruction.
[Matt 13vs4-42,49,50] [Isaiah 66v24; Matt 25v41]
At Mark [9v47] Jesus used the word: Gehenna.
So, by saying 'everyone' that would mean everyone who does not listen to what was just warned against in the previous verses.
Those are the ones that would be 'salted with the 'fire' of Gehenna.
Gehenna [English hellfire] meaning or being destruction.
-Psalm 92v7

Those that are destroyed by Jesus [Isaiah 11vs3,4] are warned first.
Before any destruction God gave warning.
That is why 2nd Peter [3v9] says God desires No one to perish [be destroyed] but to repent. That is why the 'conditions to be met' are mentioned at Zephaniah 2v3.

 

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Didn't Jesus perform good deeds?__________

Yet Jesus was in the 'biblical hell' according to Acts 2vs27,31; Psalm 16v10

Doesn't it matter what the Bible really teaches about the words [sheol; haides; Gehenna] translated into English as hell and hellfire?
I matters if one wants to know what the Bible really teaches.

jesus went to hell for those who wish to trade in their culpability for a sense of acceptance...
it makes sense this way. so instead of feeling like hell for doing something awful that you truly regret, you get to feel forgiven as one sweeps it under the heavenly rug