Why would I Loving God create Life?

[tarasan]

If God is love (1 John 4:8) why was I born?
I mean if I listen to half the religious centres within a few miles, I'm damned because I don't believe in their prophets, or I wasn't baptisted right, or one bit of more doctirnes are out of line, or for the Calvinists I never had a choice to begin with

Why was I even born then? I don't believe in eternal hell fire as it's unbiblical but I'd rather stay out of Gehenna. For all I know any one of these groups could be right, I might as well be damned. In that case, why did God make me? So I could struggle to find him my whole life and then end up damned? So I could fail myself and Him as much as possibly between now and my death bed? How can a loving God do that?

hmmm to me this seems rather convoluted. Are you asking why does a Good God condemn people? or what is the meaning of life? or both or none

 

[ForeverFaithful]

hmmm to me this seems rather convoluted. Are you asking why does a Good God condemn people? or what is the meaning of life? or both or none

To put it plainly
A) What is Truth and How do I know I have it (eg am I damned?
B)What's the meaning of life, and why should I keep drawing in air.

 

[jarofthoughts]

...why not consider that on averge Religious people are happier?

Sources for this? :sarcastic

According to the surveys I've seen countries such as Sweden, Denmark and Norway has come in at the top ten for years, and they are all countries where the majority are atheist or non-religious.

 

[jarofthoughts]

A) What is Truth and How do I know I have it (eg am I damned?

You don't and you never will know 'Truth'.
Sorry.
It's like that for everyone and you should be suspicious about anyone claiming to know any form of 'Universal Truth'.
The best we can do is to try to figure out this universe we find ourselves in, and the most efficient way we have found of doing that is through the Scientific Method.

B)What's the meaning of life, and why should I keep drawing in air.

Did you watch the video I posted?
You will have to decide what the meaning of your life is going to be and you should be suspicious of anyone claiming to know what 'The Meaning of Life' is.
As for drawing breath, that involves a somewhat complicated process in which oxygen is a requirement for your cells to burn nutrients and provide energy for the work that they do and for sustaining your body.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Sources for this? :sarcastic

According to the surveys I've seen countries such as Sweden, Denmark and Norway has come in at the top ten for years, and they are all countries where the majority are atheist or non-religious.

Is the Teaching of Religion Really a Form of Child Abuse?

 

[tarasan]

To put it plainly
A) What is Truth and How do I know I have it (eg am I damned?

do you mean this in a general way or something more christian specific?

I always enjoy going for the best explanation rather than what is "true". So when it comes to knowing if your damned or not, I would advise you do a careful exegesis of scripture, and see where you stand.

B)What's the meaning of life, and why should I keep drawing in air.

well your worldview is Christian is it not? what do you believe your religion teaches on the matter?

 

[ForeverFaithful]

do you mean this in a general way or something more christian specific?

I always enjoy going for the best explanation rather than what is "true". So when it comes to knowing if your damned or not, I would advise you do a careful exegesis of scripture, and see where you stand.

I've read the bible cover to cover, and came out with more questions then answers, Christ said the Truth would said you free, and the fruits of the spirit include Joy, yet I feel neither

well your worldview is Christian is it not? what do you believe your religion teaches on the matter?

That Christ is the meaning of all life, I'm troubled, what does that mean for little Abdul living in Saudi Arabia where Christianity is illegal and he'll never hear the gosepl? or Igor who grew up in Stallnist Russia where he was taught to hate God and never knew anything else? What about people today growing up in rural south east Asia, What is the meaning of their lives? Why where they born? Likewise what if I'm going down the wrong path, why was I born?

 

[Nakosis]

To put it plainly
A) What is Truth and How do I know I have it (eg am I damned?
B)What's the meaning of life, and why should I keep drawing in air.

Truth is temporary. The truth is always changing so it's not something you can hold onto and possess. Truth is in the moment. It has a fleeting existence which is replaced by the truth of the next moment that exists.

You seek the truth but you are part of it. You make the truth with your decisions and actions. Your are part of it however tomorrow you won't be exactly the same person the same truth as you are now.

I think it's best to accept the truth as it comes along but not try to hold onto it. Just be ready to accept the next moment/revelation of truth.

Are you damned, well yeah if you continually seek to possess the truth.

The meaning of life is to achieve bliss. Bliss is being the perfect person in the moment.

How do you know if I'm right? Try to be the perfect person at each moment in your life. Hard to do on a continual basis but the rare moments you can achieve it are worth it. If you reach one of these moments of bliss and decide it's not for you then I'll give you your money back.

How to be the perfect person, I think Jesus offered a lot of insight on that. Just don't let others interpret Jesus for you.

 

[Renji]

If God is love (1 John 4:8) why was I born?
I mean if I listen to half the religious centres within a few miles, I'm damned because I don't believe in their prophets, or I wasn't baptisted right, or one bit of more doctirnes are out of line, or for the Calvinists I never had a choice to begin with

Why was I even born then? I don't believe in eternal hell fire as it's unbiblical but I'd rather stay out of Gehenna. For all I know any one of these groups could be right, I might as well be damned. In that case, why did God make me? So I could struggle to find him my whole life and then end up damned? So I could fail myself and Him as much as possibly between now and my death bed? How can a loving God do that?

If you really believe that your God is a loving God, that He loves you and stuff, shouldn't this love be your inspiration and the center of your faith instead of fear? Just sayin'...

 

[waitasec]

Brainwashed? I'm sorry but ad homnems don't convince anyone, would you care to use a rational arrangement, on top of that before you generalize this all towards my religious affiliations, why not consider that on averge Religious people are happier? (with the expections of certains sects I shall not bring up)

I don't care about the negative stuff, I could handle that, I can't fathom the idea that there is a life after this and that this one some how retains meaning, I was brought into a world and now I have a choice bet life and damnation, what was the point of being born in the first place?

Sources for this? :sarcastic

According to the surveys I've seen countries such as Sweden, Denmark and Norway has come in at the top ten for years, and they are all countries where the majority are atheist or non-religious.

Is the Teaching of Religion Really a Form of Child Abuse?

talk about ad hominems ...

 

[jarofthoughts]

Is the Teaching of Religion Really a Form of Child Abuse?

While I hesitate to call that source biased, if I were you I'd look at international surveys that cover more people and compare different countries as well.
This one seems rather narrow.

 

[cablescavenger]

If God is love (1 John 4:8) why was I born?
I mean if I listen to half the religious centres within a few miles, I'm damned because I don't believe in their prophets, or I wasn't baptisted right, or one bit of more doctirnes are out of line, or for the Calvinists I never had a choice to begin with

Why was I even born then? I don't believe in eternal hell fire as it's unbiblical but I'd rather stay out of Gehenna. For all I know any one of these groups could be right, I might as well be damned. In that case, why did God make me? So I could struggle to find him my whole life and then end up damned? So I could fail myself and Him as much as possibly between now and my death bed? How can a loving God do that?

What makes you think God is loving? Did someone tell you that?

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Keep your chin up. Life can be scary if you allow it be and remember your not the only one who has these questions. It's important to find others who are as inquisitive as you are. This is a great site for doing just that. Study with them and with a humble heart. You will soon find what your looking for. You just have to keep on trying like the rest of us.

I taught people how to play drums, ski and fly-fish. They don't become masters over night. It takes time and the will to fail at times. But failure is not a damnable curse, it's a great opportunity if you reflect on what it's trying to teach you.

So take heart, be strong and stop worrying. Worrying will only eat you up in the end.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

What makes you think God is loving? Did someone tell you that?

We are speaking of course of the Christian concept of God, who is defined as love (1 John 4:8) if my God doesn't exist as you assert, well then I speak in vain but my God is Love

 

[waitasec]

We are speaking of course of the Christian concept of God, who is defined as love (1 John 4:8) if my God doesn't exist as you assert, well then I speak in vain but my God is Love

still...
where is the evidence that the christian god is a loving god?

you can't use the bible as evidence unless circular logic is the logic your content with

 

[tarasan]

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I've read the bible cover to cover, and came out with more questions then answers, Christ said the Truth would said you free, and the fruits of the spirit include Joy, yet I feel neither

well reading something like the bible "from cover to cover" rarely helps, firstly because there is so much stuff that things will likely get overlooked, significant repeats/themes are harder to notice. Overall studying the bible in an acedemic way is far more efficient at finding actual teaching whereas reading is good for finding support in verses.

That Christ is the meaning of all life, I'm troubled, what does that mean for little Abdul living in Saudi Arabia where Christianity is illegal and he'll never hear the gosepl? or Igor who grew up in Stallnist Russia where he was taught to hate God and never knew anything else? What about people today growing up in rural south east Asia, What is the meaning of their lives? Why where they born? Likewise what if I'm going down the wrong path, why was I born?

I think it means exactly the same for them as it does for me. In Romans it talks about how everyone has the opportunity one way or the other to have a relationship with Christ (now what the means is a conversation for another time?), however in order to have the kind of meaningful relationship that is in the bible you must have the opportunity to accept or reject it. So by making the very choice of whether or not you follow Christ, you have endowed yourself with meaning, the only thing that changes of course is the consequences.

 

[terryboy]

If God is love (1 John 4:8) why was I born?
I mean if I listen to half the religious centres within a few miles, I'm damned because I don't believe in their prophets, or I wasn't baptisted right, or one bit of more doctirnes are out of line, or for the Calvinists I never had a choice to begin with

Why was I even born then? I don't believe in eternal hell fire as it's unbiblical but I'd rather stay out of Gehenna. For all I know any one of these groups could be right, I might as well be damned. In that case, why did God make me? So I could struggle to find him my whole life and then end up damned? So I could fail myself and Him as much as possibly between now and my death bed? How can a loving God do that?

The nihilist believes that life has no meaning or value. After we die, nothing is left, our existence is insignificant.
The eternalist thinks that human soul is eternal, and thus the concept of heaven and hell.
There's also the middle way, Buddhism for example, teaches that we should avoid the extreme views of nihilism and eternalism.

Why would a Loving God create human?

I'd suggest that you explore Gnosticism or Buddhism, they could have the answers to your questions.

 

[chinu]

Why was I even born then? I don't believe in eternal hell fire as it's unbiblical but I'd rather stay out of Gehenna. For all I know any one of these groups could be right, I might as well be damned. In that case, why did God make me? So I could struggle to find him my whole life and then end up damned? So I could fail myself and Him as much as possibly between now and my death bed? How can a loving God do that?

Once a mother went to a park with her 3 year baby and she hided herself behind one tree watching the baby, after sometime the baby beganed searching her mother.

Now when the baby started searching her mother, the mother who was watching all this behind a tree was getting a strange pleasure out of this search/effort done by the baby.

So.. "God" also gets some strange pleasure, which is difficult to explain in words, when we start searching god.

Well.. after some time when the baby has done all its efforts searching her mother and failed, The baby started crying, instantly the mother picked the baby up.

Similarly... Brother: foreverfaithul -- when you will start crying, "He" will pick you up, or till then you can enjoy this world which is created by "Him".

 

[ForeverFaithful]

still...
where is the evidence that the christian god is a loving god?

you can't use the bible as evidence unless circular logic is the logic your content with

Christian's draw our concept of God from the Bible and from Christ's character, therefore Biblical verses are the best proof of our God's character

If we didn't use biblical verses we'd be speaking of a vague god, how we are speaking of our God who is love (1 John 4:8)

 

[Breathe]

IMHO everything is God experiencing Itself in many ways and forms.