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Will the Religions Ever be Completely Driven out by the Sciences?

True spirituality and science compliment each other. There has not been much studies and experiments done in the metaphysics and the Occult, but I believe everything spiritual, unexplained and the unknown can be scientifically explained.
 

Baroodi

Active Member
(verily We will show them our signs in the horizons and in themselfs until they discern that it is the Truth) Quran 41;53(Fussilat.
modern science asserted many of the scientific facts as narrated in Quran
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Though I rather doubt that it will happen, clearly it could, I know many individuals who have no religion, in either a conventional or even unconventional sense. I guess it will depend on how rationally human perceptions evolve.
True spirituality and science compliment each other. There has not been much studies and experiments done in the metaphysics and the Occult, but I believe everything spiritual, unexplained and the unknown can be scientifically explained.
That might be because the studies and experiments done in metaphysics and the occult have demonstrated that such work is rather an abysmal waste of time and effort.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Drive by poster here...

With religions like scientology, and even early Bahaiism promoting science, how can you expect them to separate completely?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Will the religions ever be completely driven out by the sciences? Why or why not?

BONUS QUESTION: What will the relationship of the religions to the sciences be in 100 years? Will religions become increasingly aligned with the sciences by discarding notions that are contradicted by the sciences?
I don't think that faith will ever be removed as it appears that the vast majority of people not only have had spiritual experiences but enjoin it with worship (a spiritual act)

Science will slowly align itself with Biblical truths. Likewise, Biblical interpretation has improved because of science.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
The universe is there to display the glory of God... so the more that is discovered the more effort it takes to ignore the creator

Ignoring it isn't so much a head issue but a heart issue
Perhaps you say Richard Dawkins saying how we should laugh at judges who impose sentences on criminals because the evolutionary world has no real values.... not that's a heart problem on his part that affected his thinking.
 

arthra

Baha'i
Will the religions ever be completely driven out by the sciences? Why or why not? BONUS QUESTION: What will the relationship of the religions to the sciences be in 100 years? Will religions become increasingly aligned with the sciences by discarding notions that are contradicted by the sciences?

I think there can be more harmony between science and religion...

Science by itself can be exploited toward unethical ends... Examples include the following:

What Are Science's Ugliest Experiments?

Aborting female foetuses:

Where are India's millions of missing girls? - BBC News

Chemical weapons issues:

Chemical warfare - Wikipedia

Religion offers humanity a proper use of science instead of misuse..

Baha'i concepts of harmony between science and religion:

Religion and Science are inter-twined with each other and cannot be separated. These are the two wings with which humanity must fly. 29 One wing is not enough. Every religion which does not concern itself with Science is mere tradition, and that is not the essential. Therefore science, education and civilization are most important necessities for the full religious life.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 28)

God has endowed man with intelligence and reason whereby he is required to determine the verity of questions and propositions. If religious beliefs and opinions are found contrary to the standards of science they are mere superstitions and imaginations; for the antithesis of knowledge is ignorance, and the child of ignorance is superstition. Unquestionably there must be agreement between true religion and science.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 239)
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Will the religions ever be completely driven out by the sciences? Why or why not?
Nah fam. The thing about modern religions is they take into account science into their theology, so liberal Christianity and Wicca and Reform Judaism will only adapt their beliefs so that it is more in line with what science teaches.

BONUS QUESTION: What will the relationship of the religions to the sciences be in 100 years? Will religions become increasingly aligned with the sciences by discarding notions that are contradicted by the sciences?
I think science is going to actually clarify religion instead of erase it. I respect Muslims, but I am concerned that if the form of Islam that teaches the time span of Muhammad's life was the golden age of humanity and that we should revert back to that the opposite would happen.
 

soulsurvivor

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Will the religions ever be completely driven out by the sciences? Why or why not?

BONUS QUESTION: What will the relationship of the religions to the sciences be in 100 years? Will religions become increasingly aligned with the sciences by discarding notions that are contradicted by the sciences?
Religion will not be driven out by science. Religion itself will become more scientific, so superstition and silly ideas will be removed from it.

This will be possible because the Christ will return to the world soon and he tell us what is true and what is false in our beliefs. It will not be the 'end of the world' as many believe, but religion will be reformed (and in some way the scientific method may also be reformed)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I don't think that faith will ever be removed as it appears that the vast majority of people not only have had spiritual experiences but enjoin it with worship (a spiritual act)

Science will slowly align itself with Biblical truths. Likewise, Biblical interpretation has improved because of science.

I believe that religion will slowly align with science, as the Baha'i Faith teaches the Harmony of Science and Religion, where the evolving knowledge of Science is accepted as the interpreter of the physical world, and religion provides the guidance and compassion for the application of science to the advancement of civilization. The ancient religions are presently divided and in contention with science in various degrees from rejection to conditional acceptance to comply with ancient scripture, with only a minority accepting science as the objective verifiable evidence leads human knowledge. These conflicting views become increasingly unacceptable over time.

The overwhelming desire for the sense of community and cultural identity does demonstrate that religion will remain central to most as their fortress of well being.
 
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Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Will the religions ever be completely driven out by the sciences? Why or why not?

BONUS QUESTION: What will the relationship of the religions to the sciences be in 100 years? Will religions become increasingly aligned with the sciences by discarding notions that are contradicted by the sciences?
If as atheists believe - there is no god and all that is religion is mumbo jumbo, then gradually religion will fade away in most places.

If there is a religious teaching from a real god, from an Almighty God, then science cannot trump religion since God's teachings will be shown to be according to science that avoids the pitfalls that exist in today's so-called science.

In the so called sciences that pertain and touch on evolution, we have a biased system that isn't open to being challenged fairly. There is too much personal agenda involved in the issues. The dating methods themselves contain problems nobody is ready to admit or address for fear of a paradigm shift and irreparable damage to this. It's kind of like the Catholic church was with its inquisition but with a different moniker that supervise this.
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It may be interesting to state that in the Bible, we are told that soon the nations shall attack religion and shut organized religion down as much as is possible. This is not a slow matter of attrition that is due to scientific superiority over religion; it is a need must be due to the ever increasing religious problems in the world, the terrorism by some belief systems, the sexual misconduct by others, etc. Thus, this action taken by governments is an attempt at creating peace among oil and water social elements.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
The religions of the future will be more sophisticated, and science will serve as a guidepost to future faiths and future speculations.

What if the religion of the past already is very sophisticated?

Just think of it: For thousands of years, humans all over the world have watched the rhythms of the Earth and the Sky and gained empirical knowledge of it all?

What if modern humans have hugely underestimated the physical and spiritual observable skills of our ancestors?

What if the creation itself speaks to humans, giving us direct knowledge of the creation?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Will the religions ever be completely driven out by the sciences? Why or why not?

BONUS QUESTION: What will the relationship of the religions to the sciences be in 100 years? Will religions become increasingly aligned with the sciences by discarding notions that are contradicted by the sciences?
No.

Bonus Question: No.

Religions have their own reason for existence and popularity. Science has its own. Some religions will have ideas that contradict science, others will not. Hopefully both science and religion will remain and flourish and accommodate each other. Science cannot replace a religion. Only another religion (or a comprehensive philosophical worldview with inbuilt ethical oughts) can replace a religion and science is not such an entity.
 

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
No, because we cannot disprove god.
You cannot disprove that which has no evidence to disprove. You may as well ask scientists to disprove the existence of invisible flying Elephants. That is as equally illogical as asking me to disprove the existence of Allah or Jehova or Thor or Horus etc. The burden of proof lies on the initial claimant.
 
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Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
In response to the OP. I hope science chases away all the shadows of ignorance. In my view the universe is vast and deeply uncaring. Subjective and parochial human Gods are meaningless, in the face of the abyss that is the cosmos. I am a nihilist and a scientist, and in that is total freedom.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
What if the religion of the past already is very sophisticated?

Just think of it: For thousands of years, humans all over the world have watched the rhythms of the Earth and the Sky and gained empirical knowledge of it all?

What if modern humans have hugely underestimated the physical and spiritual observable skills of our ancestors?

What if the creation itself speaks to humans, giving us direct knowledge of the creation?

The anthropological evidence indicates that human have always been intelligent, innovative and creative, but empirical knowledge evolved over time, and there is no evidence that they had the knowledge of science that has developed in the past ~160 years.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Ideally and basically, religion is law from God -based on that which we do not yet know -which governs behavior, so that catastrophe might be averted while new beings master reality.

The "problem" with religion is that we must choose to obey that law.
We are not pre-programmed to do so, because it is necessary for many reasons that we do the work ourselves.

Because we are essentially born ignorant and each generation must learn the same lessons while also inheriting the state of affairs caused by the previous generations, it is at least nearly impossible for humanity to live as it should -and to prevent increasingly great catastrophes.

The religion of the bible accounts for these things, and explains that by this present experience we will be perfected so that we never make the same mistakes -and will then be given permanence, great creative power and all else we lack.

Our present state essentially limits our ability to affect the universe until it is certain we will not affect it adversely. We live long enough to get the general idea and then a new generation does the same.

Science and religious law cannot themselves solve the problems of the present situation, because they cannot make the necessary changes to the present situation.

True religion in its broadest sense, however, is based on the existence of one with the power to make the necessary changes.
The first change that is necessary is to make newly-created beings obedient to the laws which make peace and happiness a certainty.

That will come by experience of that which is contrary to such -and by education in righteousness (doing things right) after all have been prepared to accept the government of God by realizing its necessity.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
You cannot disprove that which has no evidence to disprove. You may as well ask scientists to disprove the existence of invisible flying Elephants. That is as equally illogical as asking me to disprove the existence of Allah or Jehova or Thor or Horus etc. The burden of proof lies on the initial claimant.

Well, I completely agree with you. Religioners don't exactly follow the same logic and we don't control them so they are free to believe what they want.
 

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
Science and religious law cannot themselves solve the problems of the present situation, because they cannot make the necessary changes to the present situation.
Science changes this world every day. Science is that which sustains our civilization, science is the key to the future, it is the only thing that can feed the world or cure diseases. Empirical evidence based theoretical knowledge is the doorway to actual real salvation. The modern world is unrecognisable from what it was before the scientific method was established, it will be unrecognisable in the distant future too. The power of Science and all the technological applications there of, is now collosal.
 
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