Will Trump Supporters Finally Admit This Is A Step Too Far?

[Enoch07]

Ah, I see. So because Obama didn't do something, that releases Trump of any responsibility for his own words and actions? Absolute, 100% BS. It was a good deflection effort but in the end, it fell pathetically short.

Nope its just the truth. Of which you are in denial.

 

[Mister Silver]

Denial doesn't do anyone any good. Your blaming Trump for something Obama failed to do.

I didn't vote for Trump. Personally I think he is a bafoon. But when the left blames him for Obamas inadequacies it is ridiculous. Just like the travel ban. Obama came up with that in 2015, did not enact before leaving office. So it was one of the top issues left on the desk of the presidency for Trump when he came in.

You're defending a man you think is a buffoon while blaming a former president for the fact that the buffoon is a buffoon who twitters too much about the NFL rather than focusing on anything important. Yeah, I see it clearly now. Makes perfect sense to me. The hard-on you have for Trump is raging.

 

[Enoch07]

You're defending a man you think is a buffoon while blaming a former president for the fact that the buffoon is a buffoon who twitters too much about the NFL rather than focusing on anything important. Yeah, I see it clearly now. Makes perfect sense to me. The hard-on you have for Trump is raging.

Yeah my personal opinion of Trump is that I do not like him. I have never met him, but I suspect if I did. I would probably not get along with him. The only reason I approve of him at all, is because he gets under self righteous lefties skin. This I find hilarious, and almost worth the price of admission on it own merit.

The fact is Obama had the presidency for 8 years and did nothing to make Puerto Rico an official state. Yet you blame Trump for not wanting to help someone who is not an official state.

As I stated in my post originally. We should help Puerto Rico with disaster relief/rebuilding. But while we are at it go ahead and make it an official state so that its not an issue in the future. We can work on its infrastructure and improve the quality of life for everyone there. But as long as it is not an official state. There will be issues everytime a devastating natural disaster stikes, or they need federal assistance for anything.

You are just so blinded by hatred and irrationality of Trump you cannot see facts clearly. If you can't tell everyone can clearly see you lefties raging hard for Trump. Because you alll never shut up about it. You guys ***** about him having 2 scoops of ice cream ffs! This was a breaking news story on CNN and MSNBC. Ever heard the tale of the boy that cried wolf? You guys are that boy now. And bobody will care when the time comes and you actually see a wolf!

 

[Mister Silver]

Yeah my personal opinion of Trump is that I do not like him. I have never met him, but I suspect if I did. I would probably not get along with him. The only reason I approve of him at all, is because he gets under self righteous lefties skin. This I find hilarious, and almost worth the price of admission on it own merit.

Translation: Trump is making 'Murica great again.

Yeah, so great that those on the right don't care how he's destroying the country. What's it matter so long as he's getting under the skins of the leftists, right?

 

[Enoch07]

What's it matter so long as he's getting under the skins of the leftists, right?

That's why I said it's almost worth the price of admission itself. He won't destroy the country, thats why we have checks and balances in place. The left sound like the KKK when Obama got elected. So over dramatic.

 

[sun rise]

You can blame Trump all you want to. But Obama had the white house for 8 years and did not make Puerto Rico an official state. So you might want to take a long look in the mirror. Puerto Rico is a member of the U.S. by all other rights. They pay taxes, issued american drivers license and passports, they are the 51st state unofficially, but the vote to make it official just never happened.

That being said we should help them. And go ahead and add that 51st star to the flag and make it official. But don't blame Trump for Obama's and the dems inadequacies!

Since when is the President a dictator who can issue edicts. I know Trump feels that way. But such decisions are up to Congress and Congress did not act. If you want to blame someone, blame them.

 

[Enoch07]

Since when is the President a dictator who can issue edicts. I know Trump feels that way. But such decisions are up to Congress and Congress did not act. If you want to blame someone, blame them.

You didn't have a problem with Obama issuing executive order at an insane rate. Trump is just staying on par for the course.

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

Perhaps we should look at restricting the power of the president. Although its a bit disengious that dems only interested in that when someone who is not a democrat doing it. Because I heard no complaints of this the past 8 years.

But I am all for it. The Presidential power has grown unchecked for far too long.

 

[Twilight Hue]

My my....

How some people do forget about Obama and the Katrina disaster.

Of course there's no parallel to be drawn.

There's a big difference of course between Democrat disasters, and Republican disasters.

Democrat presidents handle it soooo much better.

Down with evil Trump!!!!!

 

[sun rise]

You didn't have a problem with Obama issuing executive order at an insane rate. Trump is just staying on par for the course.

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

Perhaps we should look at restricting the power of the president. Although its a bit disengious that dems only interested in that when someone who is not a democrat doing it. Because I heard no complaints of this the past 8 years.

But I am all for it. The Presidential power has grown unchecked for far too long.

That has nothing to do with the issue. It's an attempt to change the subject. I won't bite.

 

[Quetzal]

How some people do forget about Obama ...

So sick of this comparison on every single thread that has anything to do with Trump.

For the last time...

The failure or mishaps of previous events that are similar, does not excuse the active, participating president from his own behavior. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

 

[Enoch07]

So sick of this comparison on every single thread that has anything to do with Trump.

For the last time...

The failure or mishaps of previous events that are similar, does not excuse the active, participating president from his own behavior. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Congratulations you finally caught up to the GOP sentiment of 2009! So you agree then that Bush "dindu nuffin"?

https://www.salon.com/2014/06/16/sorry_george_w_bush_but_this_whole_mess_is_still_your_fault/

 

[Enoch07]

That has nothing to do with the issue. It's an attempt to change the subject. I won't bite.

So your not interested in decreasing the amount of power the president has? But you were talking smack a few post ago.

Since when is the President a dictator who can issue edicts.

Why don't you want to decrease the power of the predidency? Is it because you still want that power there if the dems can regain the office? Me thinks so.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So sick of this comparison on every single thread that has anything to do with Trump.

For the last time...

The failure or mishaps of previous events that are similar, does not excuse the active, participating president from his own behavior. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Maybe the same reasons as to why Obama wasn't able adequately address disasters are essentially the same reasons that Trump hasn't done much better.

Does anybody stop to think it might be something more than just the/a president's ability or capability that's hindering a fast as possible response when it comes to tragic disasters?

There's more people than the president himself involved in responding to disasters, logisitics are complex and takes time, so blaming a president alone as the one solely responsible for an entire rescue involving disaster aid operations seems quite vindictive.

 

[BSM1]

Nonsense, a lame duck excuse at best.

Better than no excuse at all, wouldn't you say?

 

[BSM1]

You have given the very reasons federal help was essential.and quite beyond local abilities.
The Uk had to send ships and troops to help all the way from the Uk. They were on their way before the storm hit. The US has far more heavy lift helicopters and carriers in their own waters. Why were they not on thir way too.?

Couldn't find any stories referencing UK rescue efforts, but I did find this and many others:

Aid reaches Puerto Rico after Maria as threat from cracked dam recedes

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Couldn't find any stories referencing UK rescue efforts, but I did find this and many others:

Aid reaches Puerto Rico after Maria as threat from cracked dam recedes

We do not rely on tweets for our news.... nor do our leader communicate that way.
We get both news about the USA and The UK over here.
May be we are less insular.

 

[chickenranch]

My my....

How some people do forget about Obama and the Katrina disaster.

Of course there's no parallel to be drawn.

There's a big difference of course between Democrat disasters, and Republican disasters.

Democrat presidents handle it soooo much better.

Down with evil Trump!!!!!

Obama and the Katrina disaster?
Bush was president.

 

[Quetzal]

Obama and the Katrina disaster?
Bush was president.

HA! I didn't even notice that. See, this false narrative is so rampant that it has even tripped up folks here. Partisanship is a rough, isn't it?

 

[chickenranch]

You do realize that the government had already enacted rescue plans as much as possible. There was no airport to speak of, no safe docking facilities, and no way to move supplies from the main land to PR via truck. Couple this with the complete destruction of the power grid and you can see anyone's hands would be tied.

The military has troops trained for setting up airports, rebuilding power grids, using heavy machinery to clear and repair roads, and so on. Country (re)building is one of their missions, though not their primary one. They had been planning a response long before Maria hit;

HOWEVER

No matter what DoD's plans were, and how many resources were staged and ready, they cannot move in unless the president legally starts the process.

By day 11 after Katrina, there were 78,000 troops working to repair and support the area.
By day 9 after Maria there were 5,000 in the area (the 10,000 in news stories is on day 11 and includes more than soldiers - but it's still just 1/8 of the manpower in PR.

This series of tweets (attached) from 9/25 is true. I verified this by a trusted source. The WH had.no.plan. But all of the supporting organizations did - they could not do anything without WH direction. Things are moving now - but they weren't on the 25th other than a few relatively small resources.

To respond to the OP - I have no idea what it will take for Trump supporters at large to admit that he's a mistake. I can't figure out how he hasn't crossed that line so many times already.

 

[BSM1]

The military has troops trained for setting up airports, rebuilding power grids, using heavy machinery to clear and repair roads, and so on. Country (re)building is one of their missions, though not their primary one. They had been planning a response long before Maria hit;

HOWEVER

No matter what DoD's plans were, and how many resources were staged and ready, they cannot move in unless the president legally starts the process.

By day 11 after Katrina, there were 78,000 troops working to repair and support the area.
By day 9 after Maria there were 5,000 in the area (the 10,000 in news stories is on day 11 and includes more than soldiers - but it's still just 1/8 of the manpower in PR.

This series of tweets (attached) from 9/25 is true. I verified this by a trusted source. The WH had.no.plan. But all of the supporting organizations did - they could not do anything without WH direction. Things are moving now - but they weren't on the 25th other than a few relatively small resources.

To respond to the OP - I have no idea what it will take for Trump supporters at large to admit that he's a mistake. I can't figure out how he hasn't crossed that line so many times already.

It helped that there were roads into New Orleans, and the power grid in the entire country was mostly intact.