Will you believe that Jesus will be a father in the future?

[columbus]

It still is not known where babies come from. We know what it looks like, but that's deceptively irrational.

Nonsense.
We don't know everything, but we know lots more than the Gospel authors did.
Lots.
Including that they were quite ignorant.
Tom

 

[shmogie]

No and no. Is there a point?

Sure there is a point. The resurrected Christ always appeared to the Apostles and Disciples in a physical body. He ate, presumably drank, and he was flesh to Thomas. So, either He was hoaxing the boys and girls, or your contention that after the resurrection He was a spirit is false.

 

[David T]

Christians don't believe God has a wife. That kind of belief is probably insulting to most of them.

How the original post reads out for me:

"Dr Who comes back in multiple forms and has returned as a female!! So the question really is, is dr who female or male?"

Jumi, I wrote the statement above to reflect the oddness in how the original post reads out for me. I continously keep seeing this here in a variety of forms in context to the bible from believers and non believers.

You are most correct l, and yet, what would be expressed in response inside the faith is mostly confused as well. FR. Thomas Berry said "the narrative is broken and we await a new narrative" i think is correct.. To me That brokeness is reflected in the original posting.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Sure there is a point. The resurrected Christ always appeared to the Apostles and Disciples in a physical body. He ate, presumably drank, and he was flesh to Thomas. So, either He was hoaxing the boys and girls, or your contention that after the resurrection He was a spirit is false.

I think he appeared to them in the flesh/new body. Some people wont believe that.

Remember that God is not the God of the death, but of the living. The Gospel is very clear about the Resurrection, a Judgement Day, and Paradise and Hell. etc.


Believe it or not, but we will be resurrected after our death, and we will be Judged on Judgement Day, and we will have Eternal Life and be in the place we deserve to be in.

 

[Earthling]

Sure there is a point. The resurrected Christ always appeared to the Apostles and Disciples in a physical body. He ate, presumably drank, and he was flesh to Thomas. So, either He was hoaxing the boys and girls, or your contention that after the resurrection He was a spirit is false.

Well, before we get down and dirty with the research I would like to hear your explanation of how they saw him ascend up to the heavens.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Well, before we get down and dirty with the research I would like to hear your explanation of how they saw him ascend up to the heavens.

The Gospel gave the details. They saw him ascend into a cloud and he was gone.

Then the angels who appeared like men spawned besides them and told them that he will return like they saw him ascend into a cloud.

 

[WalterTrull]

explanation of how they saw him ascend up to the heavens.

Ahh, the old subjective/objective universe question. In a bit, quantum may just answer your question.

 

[12jtartar]

Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother
The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons
Do you think that this desire will pass to the son?
That it was the rights of the Lord to have a son
Will it be a son's right to be a father in the future?

I mean, in fifty million years, will the offspring of God multiply?

This is a question for Christian brothers

If this question is causing a nuisance, I will remove it
with full respect
GOD bless you

j1i,
I really never thought about Jesus actually having children, in the same way that his Father, had him, as a human being. Thoughtful!!!
When Jesus died for all mankind who would believe on, and follow him, Jesus becomes the Father of all those resurrected. Jesus gave all life, so he actually becomes their Father. Without Jesus, all who died would stay in the ground, because there would have been no justification to resurrect sinners. Jesus also becomes the Father of all who live through the Great Tribulation, because of his faith, they have the chance of Never dying, he took away their sins, by his death. The wages sin pays is death so he actually died for them, Romans 6:23.
This is not just my opinion, the Bible actually tells us that Jesus becomes our Eternal Father, Isaiah 9:6.
When Created mankind, they were not supposed to die, so there was not way provided for anyone to return from the grave. God did not want everyone to be lost forever, because He knew that many of mankind would put their faith in Him and want to obey His commandments, because they would realize that their Heanenly Father loved them, and wanted only the best for them. Therefore God provided a way for mankind who died to have a chance to live forever. They just had to believe in Jesus and love him and his Father, John 3:16, Matthew 22:36-40. Agape!!!

 

[Into the Night]

Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother
The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons
Do you think that this desire will pass to the son?
That it was the rights of the Lord to have a son
Will it be a son's right to be a father in the future?

I mean, in fifty million years, will the offspring of God multiply?

This is a question for Christian brothers

If this question is causing a nuisance, I will remove it
with full respect
GOD bless you

It is quite possible that Jesus DID have a wife, but she remains hidden, along with any offspring that may have occurred.

As far as the offspring of God, are they not already multiplying? Are they not us? Is there a reason Christians refer to each other as brothers and sisters and God the Father more than a simple convention?

 

[shmogie]

Nonsense.
We don't know everything, but we know lots more than the Gospel authors did.
Lots.
Including that they were quite ignorant.
Tom

Well, before we get down and dirty with the research I would like to hear your explanation of how they saw him ascend up to the heavens.

With their eyes. Methinks you are a JW. Good people. I have studied with them for years, good friends. Their theology is wrong, thatś all. So, bring it. Perhaps you have a new angle I can´t refute

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

It is quite possible that Jesus DID have a wife, but she remains hidden, along with any offspring that may have occurred.

As far as the offspring of God, are they not already multiplying? Are they not us? Is there a reason Christians refer to each other as brothers and sisters and God the Father more than a simple convention?

Lets not speculate....

 

[Prestor John]

Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother
The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons
Do you think that this desire will pass to the son?
That it was the rights of the Lord to have a son
Will it be a son's right to be a father in the future?

I mean, in fifty million years, will the offspring of God multiply?

This is a question for Christian brothers

If this question is causing a nuisance, I will remove it
with full respect
GOD bless you

I believe that God's work and glory is to conceive children and lead them to immortality and eternal life.

 

[j1i]

No, no, no, Mud . . . goddammit!

God was a spirit being. Spirit, in the Bible, is something that is invisible to us but produces some visible result. Examples of spirit: Wind, breeze, breath, mental inclination, Holy Spirit and spirit beings. The spirit of the horse was broken. He was a mean spirited man.

Spirit beings don't reproduce. There was God, and then God created his only begotten (meaning the only part of creation created by God exclusively) first born (meaning first act of creation, first created being) son, Michael, who was also a spirit being, then God, with Jesus as his master worker and his Holy Spirit (meaning God's invisible active force) created a myriad of spirit creatures, or, as we commonly call them angel (angel actually meaning messenger).

Michael was the chief of angels, or arch angel. Only two other figures in the Bible besides Jehovah God have authority over the angels. Michael and Jesus.

Michael was the Logos, or word (meaning spokesperson, representative) of Jehovah. So, when an angel came to earth and took on the form of a human man in order to represent God to other men, it was likely Michael. In human form Michael was likely the one who wrestled with Jacob, who led the Israelites out of Egypt, who appeared with two other angels to Lot and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

So, having no genitalia, no means of producing sperm in the human capacity, as a spirit being, God likely used Joseph's sperm and, so to speak, artificially inseminated Mary, thus producing the human baby Jesus. Fully human.

When Jesus died his body was dead and gone. His former spirit form was taken to the abyss for parts of three days, and then he returned with another body just as he had appeared many times in the past. That's why some of his followers didn't recognize him at first upon his return. He had also gone to heaven to speak to the other spirit beings who had took human form to have sex with human women and produce the Nephilim who influenced people to act like animals with the hydrophobia.

Then eventually Michael returned to heaven in spirit form.

See? Isn't that simple enough?!

Thanks for sharing my brother
It is also important to prove what you write from the Scriptures Bible or gospel

I do not accept that the stories are fabricated without proof, especially the use of Joseph semen with Mary
Is it possible to attach Bible texts to it?

As well as references from the Bible or gospel that God created Jesus with Him before mankind
Without evidence from the Scriptures, I have the right to reject these stories

is that fair ? (^_^)
Is this justice for Christians brothers (^_^)?

 

[j1i]

Yes and no. “Follow me” would make no sense if he weren’t. On the other hand, I believe he inhered the Christ. That he was chosen to bring the bread and wine.

I've always looked on the coupling as god and Mary having sex out of wedlock (well Mary was married to Joseph, so I guess that would make her an adulteress) which makes Jesus . . . . . .

I also fail to see the reasoning behind "The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons" as claimed in the OP. However, it has been asserted that Jesus did hook up and have offspring.

ETC.

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Thanks for sharing my brother
you lasts fine and happy

 

[j1i]

If Jesus returns to Earth as promised? Sure, why not I suppose. Is marriage a bad thing in God's eyes? Is marriage a sin?
I imagine most Christian don't think it through. I don't see any reason Jesus couldn't get married . Probably had sex when he was here the first time. Can't imagine in the 33 years on earth he didn't try it at least once. I suspect as a Holy Man he had a lot of willing female followers.

The reason that the Virgin Birth story made sense is because the scripture authors were so primitive. They simply didn't know where babies come from.

We now know that the baby is essentially in the female, all the male does is transfer a bit of genetic material from his mother to the new mother. The father is quite unimportant and dispensable, from the reproductive standpoint.
It rather shows in their instinctive behavior .

Back then, they thought a male planted his seed in a "vessel". Rather like planting a seed in a field, and sometimes he got "fruit" . That's why they referred to "the fruit of your womb", meaning a baby. Basically, they had it all backwards.
It's another instance of a Bible legend based on a profound misunderstanding of reality.
Tom

Have you ever read the Gospel? What does the Quran in 2:285, 5:47 and 5:68 say?

Mary was chosen to carry Gods Son. Her child was not the result of having sex with any one.

She was a mother unlike any before, or after her, not to be compared to anything practiced or known by humans.

Thanks for sharing my brothers
you lasts fine and happy

GOD BLESS YOU
AMEN ​

 

[j1i]

j1i,
I really never thought about Jesus actually having children, in the same way that his Father, had him, as a human being. Thoughtful!!!
When Jesus died for all mankind who would believe on, and follow him, Jesus becomes the Father of all those resurrected. Jesus gave all life, so he actually becomes their Father. Without Jesus, all who died would stay in the ground, because there would have been no justification to resurrect sinners. Jesus also becomes the Father of all who live through the Great Tribulation, because of his faith, they have the chance of Never dying, he took away their sins, by his death. The wages sin pays is death so he actually died for them, Romans 6:23.
This is not just my opinion, the Bible actually tells us that Jesus becomes our Eternal Father, Isaiah 9:6.
When Created mankind, they were not supposed to die, so there was not way provided for anyone to return from the grave. God did not want everyone to be lost forever, because He knew that many of mankind would put their faith in Him and want to obey His commandments, because they would realize that their Heanenly Father loved them, and wanted only the best for them. Therefore God provided a way for mankind who died to have a chance to live forever. They just had to believe in Jesus and love him and his Father, John 3:16, Matthew 22:36-40. Agape!!!

I believe that God's work and glory is to conceive children and lead them to immortality and eternal life.

It is quite possible that Jesus DID have a wife, but she remains hidden, along with any offspring that may have occurred.

As far as the offspring of God, are they not already multiplying? Are they not us? Is there a reason Christians refer to each other as brothers and sisters and God the Father more than a simple convention?

How the original post reads out for me:

"Dr Who comes back in multiple forms and has returned as a female!! So the question really is, is dr who female or male?"

Jumi, I wrote the statement above to reflect the oddness in how the original post reads out for me. I continously keep seeing this here in a variety of forms in context to the bible from believers and non believers.

You are most correct l, and yet, what would be expressed in response inside the faith is mostly confused as well. FR. Thomas Berry said "the narrative is broken and we await a new narrative" i think is correct.. To me That brokeness is reflected in the original posting.

Dear brothers
I do not want to cause any differences between our surroundings
I hope we have a friendly feeling while retaining the right to disagree

thanks all for sharing
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHERS
AMEN AMEN ​

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Dear brothers
I do not want to cause any differences between our surroundings
I hope we have a friendly feeling while retaining the right to disagree

thanks all for sharing
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHERS
AMEN AMEN ​

Have you ever read the Gospel? What does the Quran in 2:285, 5:47 and 5:68 say?

I am Muslim and read the Quran but i also read and believe the Greek New Testament.

 

[Earthling]

Thanks for sharing my brother
It is also important to prove what you write from the Scriptures Bible or gospel

I do not accept that the stories are fabricated without proof, especially the use of Joseph semen with Mary
Is it possible to attach Bible texts to it?

As well as references from the Bible or gospel that God created Jesus with Him before mankind
Without evidence from the Scriptures, I have the right to reject these stories

is that fair ? (^_^)
Is this justice for Christians brothers (^_^)?

My attitude to this response is reflected in this scripture, sir! Acts of the Apostles 17:11

So, it is indeed fair, and admirable. To answer your questions, is it possible to attach Bible texts to the use of Joseph's semen with Mary? No. It isn't. It is presumed on the part of the reader for the reasons I gave. It can't be said for sure with scriptural support.

In the second case, that of Jesus with God before mankind there is ample scriptural evidence. Of course, the King James Version used here is woefully inadequate in establishing much of anything other than what a poor translation the King James Version is, so I advise you to compare these verses in other translations.

Colossians 1:15-17 / John 17:5 / John 8:23 / Revelation 3:14 / John 1:10 / John 8:58

 

[Earthling]

With their eyes. Methinks you are a JW. Good people. I have studied with them for years, good friends. Their theology is wrong, thatś all. So, bring it. Perhaps you have a new angle I can´t refute

I'm not sure how this responds to what I posted. I'm not a JW, never have been, never will be. Though I agree they are good people, I've studied with them for years myself and use their literature as a primary (almost exclusive) source. The only one I trust, but I don't agree with them entirely.

Any time you want to refute me, please feel free to do so.

 

[David T]

Dear brothers
I do not want to cause any differences between our surroundings
I hope we have a friendly feeling while retaining the right to disagree

thanks all for sharing
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHERS
AMEN AMEN ​

Atheism is generally based on religious perspective of its own text. So if its presented to them as bigfoot they are naturally going to assume the topic is big foot. The text is not bigfoot.