Will you believe that Jesus will be a father in the future?

[David T]

With their eyes. Methinks you are a JW. Good people. I have studied with them for years, good friends. Their theology is wrong, thatś all. So, bring it. Perhaps you have a new angle I can´t refute

Isnt theology by definition wrong? Or more precisely written opinion on top of written opinion on top of multily generations of written opinion based on writing that started out before it was written, and was direct experience? Not much really going on there except confusion as far as i can tell.

I see the problem manifesting in ecopsychology. Which started out experiencially its rather simple that way now bogged down in accedamia.

 

[shmogie]

Isnt theology by definition wrong? Or more precisely written opinion on top of written opinion on top of multily generations of written opinion based on writing that started out before it was written, and was direct experience? Not much really going on there except confusion as far as i can tell.

I see the problem manifesting in ecopsychology. Which started out experiencially its rather simple that way now bogged down in accedamia.

No. Theology is simply the study of God. Theos, Greek for God.

 

[shmogie]

I'm not sure how this responds to what I posted. I'm not a JW, never have been, never will be. Though I agree they are good people, I've studied with them for years myself and use their literature as a primary (almost exclusive) source. The only one I trust, but I don't agree with them entirely.

Any time you want to refute me, please feel free to do so.

So, you are not a JW but use their literature, thus reflecting their belief structure, OK. My mistake, but if you hear quaking you assume it came from a duck.

My JW friends are Arians, are you as well ?

 

[David T]

No. Theology is simply the study of God. Theos, Greek for God.

And comicon is the study of comic books with all kinds of theology called extended universe. I hace yet to read a theologian write without referencing writing. So referencing writing in writing 100 generations makes for a very stupid generation.

 

[shmogie]

The Gospel gave the details. They saw him ascend into a cloud and he was gone.

Then the angels who appeared like men spawned besides them and told them that he will return like they saw him ascend into a cloud.

Correct, it was as literally written. Our JW friends have a different view however. I think this is what our friend whose nom de plume is a German duchy was referring to.

 

[Earthling]

So, you are not a JW but use their literature, thus reflecting their belief structure, OK. My mistake, but if you hear quaking you assume it came from a duck.

If you wish to labor under that assumption it has nothing to do with me. The mistake was understandable.

My JW friends are Arians, are you as well ?

Arians? A person born under the sign of Aries?! Now it's my turn to be confused.

You will have to forgive my ignorance of religious terminology. I try to avoid it if possible. If by Arian you mean this (link), I'm not going to investigate what it means to be one, as it may mean only in part my beliefs. It's much simpler to say I believe in the Bible.

 

[j1i]

My attitude to this response is reflected in this scripture, sir! Acts of the Apostles 17:11

So, it is indeed fair, and admirable. To answer your questions, is it possible to attach Bible texts to the use of Joseph's semen with Mary? No. It isn't. It is presumed on the part of the reader for the reasons I gave. It can't be said for sure with scriptural support.

In the second case, that of Jesus with God before mankind there is ample scriptural evidence. Of course, the King James Version used here is woefully inadequate in establishing much of anything other than what a poor translation the King James Version is, so I advise you to compare these verses in other translations.

Colossians 1:15-17 / John 17:5 / John 8:23 / Revelation 3:14 / John 1:10 / John 8:58

My brother apologized

I thought you were a Christian

The Christian must abide by attaching the evidences of their Scriptures

The non-Christian is entitled to vote and participate according to what is believed

Sincerely yours

 

[Earthling]

My brother apologized

I thought you were a Christian

The Christian must abide by attaching the evidences of their Scriptures

The non-Christian is entitled to vote and participate according to what is believed

Sincerely yours

Perhaps you misunderstood me? I agree with you that we must abide by attaching the evidences of scripture, and I did so where that was possible, in the case of Jesus' prehuman existence, but in some matters the Bible doesn't give the specific information needed, so, in such cases you can speculate as to a possible explanation, though unsupported in scripture.

For example, the pictures of Jesus having long hair isn't supported by scripture. The Bible doesn't give the length of Jesus' hair, but we can assume, from the custom of the early Christians, as mentioned by Paul that he didn't have long hair. At one time the Jehovah's Witnesses portrayed Jesus as being clean shaven because they don't like beards for some reason. They changed this when they realized that as was the custom of the Jewish men, Jesus would likely have had a beard.

Also, it is only helpful to give scripture with others when discussing the Bible with others who wouldn't know it. For example, in Jesus' time they didn't have chapter and verse division, so Jesus might say something like "For it is written." If anyone questioned or disputed that it had been written then they could be shown, but ultimately it was their responsibility to determine such things.

 

[j1i]

Have you ever read the Gospel? What does the Quran in 2:285, 5:47 and 5:68 say?

I am Muslim and read the Quran but i also read and believe the Greek New Testament.

I'm very reading and I care a lot about science
My mind is stuck

I read it little little

 

[Into the Night]

Lets not speculate....

People are already speculating. Why pick on one member?

 

[shmogie]

If you wish to labor under that assumption it has nothing to do with me. The mistake was understandable.



Arians? A person born under the sign of Aries?! Now it's my turn to be confused.

You will have to forgive my ignorance of religious terminology. I try to avoid it if possible. If by Arian you mean this (link), I'm not going to investigate what it means to be one, as it may mean only in part my beliefs. It's much simpler to say I believe in the Bible.

Arianism, named after a very early bishop named Arius, is the concept that Christ is a created being, and not an eternal one. This, of course, has serious implications re the Trinity. The idea at that time was branded a heresy.

 

[shmogie]

And comicon is the study of comic books with all kinds of theology called extended universe. I hace yet to read a theologian write without referencing writing. So referencing writing in writing 100 generations makes for a very stupid generation.

Huh ? Everyone has the right and obligation to go to the source and establish their own belief system. No one is compelled to take the opinions of others, no matter how scholarly, as law regarding faith

 

[Earthling]

Arianism, named after a very early bishop named Arius, is the concept that Christ is a created being, and not an eternal one. This, of course, has serious implications re the Trinity. The idea at that time was branded a heresy.

Yes, I know. From the link I gave, but I don't agree with their beliefs entirely so I wouldn't identify myself as Arian.

 

[1213]

Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother
The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons
...

Bible doesn’t tell God has wife from human mother.

Bible tells God has children, but they are spiritual children.

Jesus answered him, "Most assuredly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most assuredly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God! That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don't marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.'
John 3:3-7


But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13

It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
John 6:63

 

[paarsurrey]

Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother
The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons
Do you think that this desire will pass to the son?
That it was the rights of the Lord to have a son
Will it be a son's right to be a father in the future?
I mean, in fifty million years, will the offspring of God multiply?
This is a question for Christian brothers
If this question is causing a nuisance, I will remove it
with full respect
GOD bless you

"Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother" Unquote.
Jesus never did sat that G-d needs a wife. Right, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I apologize I did not mean to offend
I apologize to my brothers

Mohammed married a girl fifty years younger

But God forced an unmarried girl to give birth

Which is more harsh ?

Abu Bakr is the daughter of the girl who repeatedly offered marriage to Muhammad because Muhammad was a prophet and he wanted his daughter to be with the Prophet

Such as if Jesus came down and all the girls would like to marry Jesus

And God is wise and chose Mary for procreation because she were the Most purity and pure womens in the world

Even in Islam Mary is the first lady in the all world

I want to write this thing so that we understand each other and even temper the differences and that we humans associate our human aspects

we must think positively about how everyone wins and not in planting differences

I love to be all brothers and I pray for it

Thank you brother, may God bless you

take care (^_^)

"But God forced an unmarried girl to give birth" Unquote.
There was no "force" involve, please. Please quote the source for the word "force".

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

this is what wrote in quran about marry
42. The angels said, “O Mary, God has chosen you, and has purified you. He has chosen you over all the women of the world.

Muslims love Mary, peace be upon her, as well as Jesus
Had Jesus and Mary lived in this time
The Muslims would fight for them
Our beloved

GOD bless you

"42. The angels said, “O Mary, God has chosen you, and has purified you. He has chosen you over all the women of the world." Unquote.

The angels just informed or give a tidings to Mary that she was going to give birth of a child.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Hmmm. Not that I disagree with you, but, who is this God and who is the wife? If you answer Jehovah is the God and the faithful Christian congregation is his wife from a human mother then I very well might agree if you could provide scripture to support it, otherwise where would you have heard such a thing?



I personally think that your question is an interesting one, delivered with all due respect and sincerity and quite possibly supported by the an accurate knowledge of the Bible, depending upon your interpretation.

The thing is, Jesus was a man who died and so will never have children. He existed in spirit form in heaven prior to coming to earth as Jesus and he returned to heaven as he came, in spirit form. Spirit being don't multiply.

"He (Jesus) existed in spirit form in heaven prior to coming to earth as Jesus and he returned to heaven as he came, in spirit form." Unquote.

Where Jesus body was buried, please?

Regards

 

[Earthling]

"He (Jesus) existed in spirit form in heaven prior to coming to earth as Jesus and he returned to heaven as he came, in spirit form." Unquote.

Where Jesus body was buried, please?

Regards

Initially in a tomb outside of Jerusalem near the place of his execution, Golgotha. His body was later removed to an unknown location.

 

[shmogie]

Initially in a tomb outside of Jerusalem near the place of his execution, Golgotha. His body was later removed to an unknown location.

No, He was resurrected and he walked out of his tomb, alive. He was witnessed alive after his burial by manny people.