Without God(s), what is the point?!

[muhammad_isa]

..you sound sad and as if you need help.

I am sad.
Covid hasn't helped. Neither has the thought of what lies in the future.
i.e. climate change .. cost of energy more than doubled etc.

..but mainly, I have deteriorating health, which cannot be controlled medicinally. I am able to get out and meet people atm, but often I'm not.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I am sad.
Covid hasn't helped. Neither has the thought of what lies in the future.
i.e. climate change .. cost of energy more than doubled etc.

..but mainly, I have deteriorating health, which cannot be controlled medicinally. I am able to get out and meet people atm, but often I'm not.

I'm sorry to hear it.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I'm sorry to hear it.

Well, life is up and down. I feel a lot better than I did a couple of weeks ago. I went to stay with my sister for a week.

She lives in a more rural area than me, but the company is the main thing.
Being alone all the time can drive you round the bend.

We went out to meet her friends for walks etc. .. she is 73.
She also lives alone, but is often busy, as grandmas are in demand.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, life is up and down. I feel a lot better than I did a couple of weeks ago. I went to stay with my sister for a week.

She lives in a more rural area than me, but the company is the main thing.
Being alone all the time can drive you round the bend.

We went out to meet her friends for walks etc. .. she is 73.
She also lives alone, but is often busy, as grandmas are in demand.

Could you live with her permanently?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Could you live with her permanently?

No .. she couldn't cope with that.

I'm thankful for what I get.

 

[KWED]

What, specifically, don't you understand?
In order to explain it fully I'd have to post practically the whole Bible.

You still don't get it.
I'm asking you to explain it without quoting the Bible.

 

[KWED]

Ghosts don't exist.

Prove it.

The spirit realm sometimes experienced by humans is not composed of dead people walking around.

Those are zombies, not ghosts.

It's composed of angels and demons and the Holy Spirit.

Which all sound similar to ghosts.

I'm sure some of the people seeing supernatural entities are seeing manifestations from demons.

Or maybe what people think are demon manifestations are actually ghosts.

 

[KWED]

I presume they find life worth living, and are not suffering intolerably.

As I say, I would kill myself if I thought that God does not exist.
My faith is the only thing that stops me.

So why do you think you wouldn't find life worth living? Millions of others don't have a problem.
Perhaps it is your faith that is causing you so much grief? The internal struggle to try to rationalise the irrational must be pretty gruelling.

 

[muhammad_isa]

So why do you think you wouldn't find life worth living? Millions of others don't have a problem.

I have a long-term health problem .. I have been on welfare for many years .. there is a growing number of people in Europe who opt for euthenasia .. I am not alone.

 

[KWED]

I have a long-term health problem .. I have been on welfare for many years .. there is a growing number of people in Europe who opt for euthenasia .. I am not alone.

Finding life unbearable because of chronic suffering is not the same as finding life meaningless because there is no god. The former applies to religionists and atheists alike. The latter doesn't really seem to apply to anyone.

You believe in god but find life unbearable. I don't believe in gods but find life hugely enjoyable.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So god is a spirit. Like a ghost?

There is the Holy Ghost, also known as the Holy Spirit. If you have any questions about ghosts (human spirits), I recommend speaking with someone who is well-versed in the subject and has years of research and investigation experience. If you're interested, you can read about my thoughts on ghosts and other paranormal subjects in a few threads and comments in the Paranormal Activities forum.

In my opinion, asking most Christians about ghosts or other paranormal phenomena is pointless and will get you nowhere fast. When these subjects are brought up, the majority of Christians will recite a few Bible verses and insist that human spirits are demons. Most Christians believe that the Bible is the final authority on the afterlife and that we, as non-Christians, should take it as seriously as they do. As a former Christian, I no longer believe anything the Bible says about the afterlife or believe it's the final authority on anything. I assume that you don't believe the Bible either. We at least agree on that, but I also assume you don't believe in ghosts or the afterlife.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Prove it.

Those are zombies, not ghosts.

Which all sound similar to ghosts.

Or maybe what people think are demon manifestations are actually ghosts.

What do you believe a ghost is?
You keep using the word without defining it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You still don't get it.
I'm asking you to explain it without quoting the Bible.

Christ fulfilled the requirements of the law so the law was no longer needed...by being the perfect sacrifice, once and for all time.
What do you not understand about it?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Christ fulfilled the requirements of the law so the law was no longer needed...by being the perfect sacrifice, once and for all time.
What do you not understand about it?

That doesn't make sense.
Christ "fulfilled the law" means what exactly?
"The law" says nothing about getting yourself killed, and coming back to life..

 

[Wildswanderer]

That doesn't make sense.
Christ "fulfilled the law" means what exactly?
"The law" says nothing about getting yourself killed, and coming back to life..

The law required an animal sacrifice for sin, for each person, each year. Christ became that sacrifice for everyone for all time.
That's partly how he fulfilled the law. He also was the only human ever to perfectly keep the entire law without sinning.

 

[KWED]

What do you believe a ghost is?
You keep using the word without defining it.

A ghost is an imaginary representation of some part of a person or thing.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..He also was the only human ever to perfectly keep the entire law without sinning.

OK .. so we should try to follow his example, then.

 

[Sheldon]

Claims 3
Evidence 0

That's true.

I know, and in a debate forum, ironic eh?

The debate topic was "Without God(s), what is the point?!"
It was not about claims and evidence.

This claim has what to do with your 3 unevidenced claims, or my post?

 

[Sheldon]

That's all that interests them "false claims".

Nope, in fact false claims are meaningless, so hold little interest, but in a debate it is expedient to point out when a claim is false.

With every action, there is an intention behind it.

I don't believe that. We act in a myriad of different ways without consciously thinking about it.

Almighty God knows the intention of every one of us,

I don't believe in any deity, so reeling of unevidenced claims like this is pretty meaningless to me.

they deny God,

Another false claim, atheism is the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities. You're projecting, this is quite common in theists who lack the ability for critical thinking.

 

[Sheldon]

He may or may not be making a claim. He might just be stating why *he believes* there is no point in living if there is no God. That is not a claim.

Asserting that something is true or the case is literally the definition of a claim.