Without God there is no hope

[Trailblazer]

How can a god give u hope in one thread and no love in another?

I believe God is all-loving so I have hope that God will help me...
That is more than I can say for most people.

 

[Trailblazer]

And what is the hope with God? That he won't arbitrarily strike you down as he did so many others in Scripture? Doesn't seem like much to bet on, to me.

I don't believe those Bible verses represent what God did so I don't believe that God arbitrarily strikes anyone down.

 

[Jimmy]

I believe God is all-loving so I have hope that God will help me...
That is more than I can say for most people.

Oh u changed since your last thread. Cool

 

[Trailblazer]

What works for me - is the acceptance that pain is an integral and unavoidable part of living. Belief or lack thereof in God does not change this fact.

I know that pain is part of living and my belief in God does not change this fact.

The only obstacle to the above (as I see it) is not everyone has the same troubles. This can make it difficult for us to accept our realities when we see others around us not having the same problems. It is a lot more easier to accept problems when many around us are having the same problems.

That is a very good observation. I even went to groups that were supposed to be for people with the same problem I have but nobody there had my situation. It almost made me feel worse, but I need to affiliate with people so I'll go back.

So, the hope that somehow we can avoid pain through Gods/rituals/astrology etc, is the real problem.

No, I certainly don't hope for that. I was only hoping for some guidance from God in solving my immediate problem.

 

[Trailblazer]

So your topic is click bait?

No.
But so far many of the responses further illustrate my belief that without God there is no hope.
I'll let you figure out why.

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh u changed since your last thread. Cool

Yes. I had to go to another forum to get additional help but they convinced me that God is loving.

 

[RestlessSoul]

So God is the equivalent of an anti-depressant, for you?

Without the chemical side effects

 

[Twilight Hue]

So God is the equivalent of an anti-depressant, for you?

That's pretty accurate.

God is essentially a mental Valium.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I have no idea why people misunderstand what I say and turn it into something completely different.
No, God is not an anti-depressant for me just because I believe I feel like God is the only one who can help me.
I am just being logical. The fact remains that no people are helping me so why should I hope for that?
At least there is a chance that God might help me.

You have something those people don’t have, so they want to take it away from you. But that’s on them, not you.

Your Heavenly Father will never let you down.

 

[John53]

No.

Then I have no idea what it is you want to debate and even less of an idea why this is in a debate forum.

But so far many of the responses further illustrate my belief that without God there is no hope.
I'll let you figure out why.

You complain that people misunderstand your posts and then post something like this. The irony....

 

[Trailblazer]

You have something those people don’t have, so they want to take it away from you.

Astute observation.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then I have no idea what it is you want to debate and even less of an idea why this is in a debate forum.

If people disagree with anything I said, they can debate it, but thus far I have not seen any attempts to debate it, only people making fun of me for my my feelings, just because I have hope in God. That is not a debate, it is an assault.

 

[John53]

If people disagree with anything I said, they can debate it, but thus far I have not seen any attempts to debate it, only people making fun of me for my my feelings, just because I have hope in God. That is not a debate, it is an assault.

There must be posts I can't see because I don't believe any of them are making fun of you.

 

[Trailblazer]

There must be posts I can't see because I don't believe any of them are making fun of you.

No, not in so many words.

 

[John53]

No, not in so many words.

So they're making fun of you by not making fun of you

 

[Sedim Haba]

Do you know the story of Fleming's Petri dish?
That is Humanity right now.
The only hope we have is that. We are what was on that dish.
I'd bet against it. So ya, I have no hope. In Humans.

 

[YoursTrue]

I did not say that is what I need. I did not disclose what I actually need.
I just happen to believe in God but that is aide from what I need.

God might help me with what I need or not. I am not counting on it, but it's for darn tootin' that nobody else is going to help me.

Hi. My thought about your comment is that we all need love. When someone shows me love, it makes me feel good.

 

[YoursTrue]

I have no idea why people misunderstand what I say and turn it into something completely different.
No, God is not an anti-depressant for me just because I believe I feel like God is the only one who can help me.
I am just being logical. The fact remains that no people are helping me so why should I hope for that?
At least there is a chance that God might help me.

You might want to think of David in the Bible. He had an ongoing relationship with God but there were many sad moments in David's life. I certainly can't answer for David, but it seems clear to me that he had a close relationship with his God. (Yes, I say his God because there were many other gods in the nations around him.)

 

[YoursTrue]

I am not making a claim, I am only expressing a feeling, and I could be wrong so I am open to other perspectives. This is only the way I am feeling now, based upon my trying to change certain things and being unable to do so. In short, I feel completely stuck, like I have no control over my own life, and I feel like God is the only one who can help me. Everything I have tried to do goes to hell in a breadbasket so I have resigned myself to hoping that God will help me by guiding me to decide what to do and assisting me to do it, or that God will help me via fate, by causing things to happen to me.

I believe that everyone's fate is already written in the Book of Life, which is the Tablet of Fate.

“O thou who art the fruit of My Tree and the leaf thereof! On thee be My glory and My mercy. Let not thine heart grieve over what hath befallen thee. Wert thou to scan the pages of the Book of Life, thou wouldst, most certainly, discover that which would dissipate thy sorrows and dissolve thine anguish.

Know thou, O fruit of My Tree, that the decrees of the Sovereign Ordainer, as related to fate and predestination, are of two kinds. Both are to be obeyed and accepted. The one is irrevocable, the other is, as termed by men, impending. To the former all must unreservedly submit, inasmuch as it is fixed and settled. God, however, is able to alter or repeal it. As the harm that must result from such a change will be greater than if the decree had remained unaltered, all, therefore, should willingly acquiesce in what God hath willed and confidently abide by the same.

The decree that is impending, however, is such that prayer and entreaty can succeed in averting it.

God grant that thou who art the fruit of My Tree, and they that are associated with thee, may be shielded from its evil consequences.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 132-133

Then there is the question: What is caused by God's decree and what is caused by a free will choice? I think some things happen to us that are not decreed by God, they are chosen by us, and some things that we do not choose are decreed by God.

Moreover, even if something is decreed by God, not everything that is decreed by God is fixed and settled. The passage above says that the decree that is impending is such that prayer and entreaty can succeed in averting it, so I might be able to influence God’s decree that is impending by praying to God.

What is the connection between fate and free will? How can we have free will if everything is predetermined by God? I believe that God is all-knowing so God knows everything we are going to do, and that has already been written on the Tablet of Fate, but I do not believe that what God knows causes anyone to do anything. I believe things happen because we make a choice to do them and act on that choice.

Is what ends up being written on the Tablet of Fate simply what God knows we are going to choose to do? But what about things that happen to us that are not chosen by us? I think those things are also our fate. In short, I think there is the fate we choose and the fate we don't choose, and I think the passage above is referring to the fate we don't choose, the fate we are hoping to avert, God's decree.

I think most people want to be happy. Hope is different but it can involve happiness.

 

[samtonga43]

I don't feel pressured to worship a particular god or goddess, nor do I feel pressured to always live morally upright in order to placate a very vengeful and jealous God who threatens to damn me to hell for all eternity if I don't toe the line and play by his stringent rules.

I am a Christian, and I don't recognize this God you describe, Sgt. Pepper.