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Woke

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It used to be that TV shows tackled societal issues through storytelling. Now, many shows just want to preach at the viewer without any subtlety, debate, or storytelling.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I had one that would turn itself on mysteriously and sometimes woke me in the middle of the night.

I found turning it off at the power point ceased all paranormal activity and cured its wokeness.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
If you have the volume up too high.

Or is it when you forget to not have your TV connected to the internet so it turns itself on sometimes?

I once had a neighbor try to connect to my TV. It was creepy. I'm definitely not okay with that kind of woke TV. Stay out of my appliances, neighbor!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think people are sick of woke tv. I don’t mind it occasionally but c’mon.
My favorite antidote to woke, uplifting, &
otherwise annoying pretentiously positive
TV is Mike Tyson Mysteries.
Caution: Violence & rude language.
Caution: @Wu Wei appears at 9:20.
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I have no idea what "woke tv" means in the OP.

t used to be that TV shows tackled societal issues through storytelling. Now, many shows just want to preach at the viewer without any subtlety, debate, or storytelling.

I don't like poorly scripted shows either. But again I have no idea what shows are being referred to here.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
What's woke TV?

I have no idea what "woke tv" means in the OP.
Woke TV usually means that TV shows seem to have some sort of agenda or message that they believe is extremely important to force down people's throats. The most common things as of now are racial, gender and sexuality messages, an example could be that a given person in a movie or tv show needs to be of a given colour regardless of whether it makes sense or not in regard to the story.

An example of this can be the new Witcher show (Which is absolutely horrible in general), but in that show, you have all races represented in one huge mess. So imagine watching a movie about samurais, then we would expect people to come from Japan. But then imagine that in such a show, you have every single race you can think of thrown in there all being samurais and then act as if that is perfectly normal.

Another example could be gender roles, where you will depict females as being extremely strong and usually make males look like idiots. And again it is usually done so the female protagonist hasn't earned any of it. A good example of this could be Rey from Star wars, a girl that easily overcomes anything she faces, doesn't really need to learn anything and can just do stuff whenever she needs it, for no particular reason, often linked to that of a Marry sue character. She hulk is also a good example.

This is a screenshot from the first 30 second of She hulk.

she_hulk.jpg


If you look at the books in the background. And the scene goes straight into making a guy look like an idiot and what a scum he is and in general how men are bad. However that She hulk goes around sleeping with random people etc. is no issue, because she is a woman. This is obviously because the creators have an agenda.

Sexuality examples could be that a huge amount of protagonists are of "alternative" sexuality, such as bisexuals, lesbians etc. and usually again this is done without any context to the show or movie but is simply there because of the political agenda. An example of this can be found in Solo (Star wars) which is not exactly a show famous for sexuality or romance playing a huge role. But where one of the famous characters from the original movie is suddenly a person that is sexual/romantic involved with a robot. This plays absolutely no purpose in the story or for the character at all in the movie or for the rest of Star wars. But again is added due to some political message that Disney thought was important.

So as with the OP. I am sick and tired of it as well.
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Woke TV usually means that TV shows seem to have some sort of agenda or message that they believe is extremely important to force down people's throats. The most common things as of now are racial, gender and sexuality messages, an example could be that a given person in a movie or tv show needs to be of a given colour regardless of whether it makes sense or not in regard to the story.

An example of this can be the new Witcher show (Which is absolutely horrible in general), but in that show, you have all races represented in one huge mess. So imagine watching a movie about samurais, then we would expect people to come from Japan. But then imagine that in such a show, you have every single race you can think of thrown in there all being samurais and then act as if that is perfectly normal.

Another example could be gender roles, where you will depict females as being extremely strong and usually make males look like idiots. And again it is usually done so the female protagonist hasn't earned any of it. A good example of this could be Rey from Star wars, a girl that easily overcomes anything she faces, doesn't really need to learn anything and can just do this whenever she needs it, for no particular reason, often linked to that of a marry sue character. She hulk is also a good example.

Sexuality examples could be that a huge amount of protagonists are of "alternative" sexuality, such as bisexuals, lesbians etc. and usually again this is done without any context to the show or movie but is simply there because of the political agenda. An example of this can be found in Solo (Star wars) which is not exactly a show famous for sexuality or romance, but in general, playing a huge role. But where one of the famous characters from the original movie is suddenly a person that is sexual/romantic involved with a robot. This plays absolutely no purpose in the story or for the character at all in the movie or for the rest of Star wars. But again is added due to some political message that Disney thought was important.

So as with the OP. I am sick and tired of it as well.

I see these examples as corporate pandering, not necessarily "woke TV." In my opinion, these corporations are not "supporting minorities" or having "diverse" casts out of the goodness of their hearts or because they care about a political message; they just want to jump on the bandwagon of sociopolitical trends and exploit them for PR purposes such as having a better image for their brand.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I see these examples as corporate pandering, not necessarily "woke TV." In my opinion, these corporations are not "supporting minorities" or having "diverse" casts out of the goodness of their hearts or because they care about a political message; they just want to jump on the bandwagon of sociopolitical trends and exploit them for PR purposes such as having a better image for their brand.
Woke has many meanings. But in general, as I understand it. it is to push some sort of agenda at the cost of what makes sense in regard to the story.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I have a friend who, when watching TV, has an imaginary list ... black guy, check ... lesbian, check ... married gay couple, check ... trans person, check ...

I guess I don't much care if there's pressure to include these things, we did have minorities played by white guys for long enough, but it does irritate me a little when the program is set somewhere or somewhen where that particular person simply wouldn't have been.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Woke has many meanings. But in general, as I understand it. it is to push some sort of agenda at the cost of what makes sense in regard to the story.
That’s called capitalism.
Corporations have agendas they want their creators to push
Always have done.
Some writers/producers/directors etc have enough talent and subtlety to balance these expectations and present them organically or even go the opposite route and use hyperbolic humour to make their criticisms/message known (see the Harley Quinn show.) Most don’t. More often than not, studio mandates crush subtle storytelling and only want good PR to engender praise for the brand. Even with talented creators at the helm

That said, with the amount of subtle and not so subtle messaging that is seemingly ignored by some sections of the audience (ie the fanboys of The Boys crying when the show went with the decision to portray Homelander as the bad guy, despite that being the entire point of the show to begin with or that time when Rage Against the Machine had to tell conservatives that they were the machine, which admittedly was beyond hilarious) I can’t exactly blame some studios for using a mallet to try to hammer home their actual message.
Seriously media illiteracy is the bane of many game discussions I’ve been unfortunate enough to participate in.
I’m all for having one’s own personal interpretation of art. But some conclusions reached just quite frankly baffle me
 
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Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
I see these examples as corporate pandering, not necessarily "woke TV." In my opinion, these corporations are not "supporting minorities" or having "diverse" casts out of the goodness of their hearts or because they care about a political message; they just want to jump on the bandwagon of sociopolitical trends and exploit them for PR purposes such as having a better image for their brand.

I'd be curious to know what the difference is between a company trying to pander vs. characters included that just happen to be gay or some such. In the real world I interact with folks who happen to be from the lgbt spectrum almost every day, and it is what it is. It's just life
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Woke has many meanings. But in general, as I understand it. it is to push some sort of agenda at the cost of what makes sense in regard to the story.

Don't we already have a word for that though? It's called propaganda. Right? It's not exactly new. Though what "makes sense" for the story is pretty subjective and isn't in the spirit of respecting creative license.
 
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