Woke

[Estro Felino]

The woke culture is forcing people to look different, even if they are pretty ordinary.

So you see heterosexual cisgender people who are desperate to fit into the LGBTs acronym (which is a very serious juridical and political topic, not something for annoyed teenagers) so they invented the term Allies.

This is really inappropriate because it vilifies the acronym. It deals with heterosexual and cisgender people who live ordinary lives and who have never been discriminated against and they do anything to look different, but their desperation is symptom of lack of personality.

Not to mention the word Queer., What are queers?
I have seen a heterosexual cisgender male defining himself queer once.
Just because he likes to wear makeup.
That's absolutely got out of hand.

 

[SomeRandom]

The woke culture is forcing people to look different, even if they are pretty ordinary.

So you see heterosexual cisgender people who are desperate to fit into the LGBTs acronym (which is a very serious juridical and political topic, not something for annoyed teenagers) so they invented the term Allies.

This is really inappropriate because it vilifies the acronym. It deals with heterosexual and cisgender people who live ordinary lives and who have never been discriminated against and they do anything to look different, but their desperation is symptom of lack of personality..

I don’t know if I agree with that necessarily.
During all social movements throughout the centuries “ordinary people” aka the people who didn’t face discrimination of any kind, or at least not the kind that was being discussed at the time, wanted to show their public support to said movements fighting for women’s rights, gay rights ect.
Iow they are allies to the specific cause being pushed forward. “Allies” is absolutely an accurate term in such a context. Because they have decided to publicly align themselves (ie becoming allies) with such a cause/s

Not to mention the word Queer., What are queers?
I have seen a heterosexual cisgender male defining himself queer once.
Just because he likes to wear makeup.
That's absolutely got out of hand.

The word Queer has undergone a lot of changes over the years. That’s just how language works.

Anyway, it used to be that men wore makeup routinely as it was socially accepted and even expected. This might have been an unintended consequence of the prevalence of skin conditions common in such eras. But I honestly don’t know.
Nowadays I think the association with men wearing makeup and being “queer” may be moreso that such activities are broadly culturally associated with the theatre/performance arts crowd. Who, to be fair, have a very long history of being associated with the Alphabet Soup community in general, even to this day. At least in the West
So it could just be overall cultural pressure tbh

 

[Estro Felino]

I don’t know if I agree with that necessarily.
During all social movements throughout the centuries “ordinary people” aka the people who didn’t face discrimination of any kind, or at least not the kind that was being discussed at the time, wanted to show their public support to said movements fighting for women’s rights, gay rights ect.
Iow they are allies to the specific cause being pushed forward. “Allies” is absolutely an accurate term in such a context. Because they have decided to publicly align themselves (ie becoming allies) with such a cause/s

The word Queer has undergone a lot of changes over the years. That’s just how language works.

Anyway, it used to be that men wore makeup routinely as it was socially accepted and even expected. This might have been an unintended consequence of the prevalence of skin conditions common in such eras. But I honestly don’t know.
Nowadays I think the association with men wearing makeup and being “queer” may be moreso that such activities are broadly culturally associated with the theatre/performance arts crowd. Who, to be fair, have a very long history of being associated with the Alphabet Soup community in general, even to this day. At least in the West
So it could just be overall cultural pressure tbh

For instance...there are those who identify as "non-binary".
What does that even mean?
I know a very famous YouTuber...and apparently he is a heterosexual male who has even a girlfriend, he has sex with.
So...I don't see why such a person should be labeled as LGBT.

 

[SomeRandom]

For instance...there are those who identify as "non-binary".
What does that even mean?
I know a very famous YouTuber...and apparently he is a heterosexual male who has even a girlfriend, he has sex with.
So...I don't see why such a person should be labeled as LGBT.

So non binary essentially just means the person doesn’t fit into the culturally agreed upon binary system of the sexes. Like say a man with a beard who just likes wearing a tutu or something
(Well okay I’m the wrong person to ask. But I mean should people not be free to express themselves? Are you against freedom of expression?)

Which is itself an idea completely congruent with what we know about the distribution of the sex characteristics in human biology
Ie they are distributed through bimodal means. Essentially meaning two main outcomes but a sort of spectrum of other outcomes “in between happening” as well. This is a known biological phenomenon. Intersex conditions, hermaphroditism and other known outcomes in our species. It’s not just a matter of XY equals man and XX equals woman. We know thorough scientific research that while those are the common outcomes, you also have people born with external and sometimes internal female sex organs who are also born with a Y chromosome and vice versa. Like that’s just biological reality

The meaning of the terms have broadened as is normal in language.
Not only are the youth using their own lingo to describe their own experiences, which happens in literally every single generation ever.
But they are using language used in medical science currently.
Like it just is what it is. What do you want?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

An example of this can be the new Witcher show (Which is absolutely horrible in general), but in that show, you have all races represented in one huge mess. So imagine watching a movie about samurais, then we would expect people to come from Japan. But then imagine that in such a show, you have every single race you can think of thrown in there all being samurais and then act as if that is perfectly

Yet, we were ok with white folks playing Asian characters for the longest time...

I think the difference comes in when we consider genre. People get all bent out of shape in fantasy and sci-fi from seeing characters with different skin colors, but why? They aren't representing a specific culture, right? So why even notice it?

A samurai movie that's meant to be historically accurate may want to consider folks historically from that culture, but it that movie is mostly meant to tell a story, why not have folks with a variety of skin or facial characteristics that may suggest historical they come from different areas?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Wokeness added to the decline of The Simpsons.
- Eliminating Apu & family.
- Black actor replacing white voice of Dr Hibbard.
(Noticeably different.)

While I don't agree that these changes need to be made, I don't think it contributed to the decline of The Simpsons. A change in storytelling and how the humor was set up did that.

 

[Revoltingest]

While I don't agree that these changes need to be made, I don't think it contributed to the decline of The Simpsons. A change in storytelling and how the humor was set up did that.

Those changes were bitter icing on a rancid cake.

 

[Nimos]

I think the difference comes in when we consider genre. People get all bent out of shape in fantasy and sci-fi from seeing characters with different skin colours, but why? They aren't representing a specific culture, right? So why even notice it?

I don't think people get upset or annoyed in general in those genres just because of skin colour, but rather if it makes no sense in regards to the setting. For instance, it is no issue in Star wars or Star Trek, whereas it might be a distraction if a given person is supposed to live in a certain place, climate etc. then having people of all colours mixed together takes away from the believability. To me, that is common sense that people in certain settings are decided that way. For instance a show about Vikings living in the cold north you wouldn't expect to see a lot of black people, likewise, you would expect to see a lot of white people if the show takes place in Africa following a tribe there etc.

A samurai movie that's meant to be historically accurate may want to consider folks historically from that culture, but it that movie is mostly meant to tell a story, why not have folks with a variety of skin or facial characteristics that may suggest historical they come from different areas?

Agree the story is important, but everything helps tell the story and make it believable, it obviously matters which people are playing which characters as well, especially if it is supposed to be historical or follow some sort of common sense. I would hate to see a movie / tv show about Malcolm X and then it is a white person playing him, I would find that to be silly, just because some people think that diversity is important.

 

[metis]

Clearly the best wine is Pinot Noir!!!

... as a mouthwash for wimps!

 

[metis]

Not to mention the word Queer., What are queers?
I have seen a heterosexual cisgender male defining himself queer once.
Just because he likes to wear makeup.
That's absolutely got out of hand.

Then maybe don't look.

 

[Estro Felino]

Then maybe don't look.

Of course. I do respect people's choices. They are free to identify as whoever or whatever they like.

As a jurist I cannot include the Q (queer) into the LGBT acronym because it's a very, very serious thing. That involves rights, families with parents of the same sex, so gender identity and sex identity are not arbitrary. Queer means nothing. Such a word doesn't even exist in our language.

 

[metis]

Queer means nothing. Such a word doesn't even exist in our language.

But does in modern English:
queer
[kwir]
ADJECTIVE
denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms

 

[Estro Felino]

But does in modern English:
queer
[kwir]
ADJECTIVE
denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms

So...a male who has sex with women can identify as queer and fall within the LGBT acronym, right?

 

[metis]

So...a male who has sex with women can identify as queer and fall within the LGBT acronym, right?

No.

 

[Estro Felino]

No.

Explain me, then. Who queers have sex with.

 

[metis]

Explain me, then. Who queers have sex with.

Others, if they choose.

 

[SomeRandom]

Of course. I do respect people's choices. They are free to identify as whoever or whatever they like.

As a jurist I cannot include the Q (queer) into the LGBT acronym because it's a very, very serious thing. That involves rights, families with parents of the same sex, so gender identity and sex identity are not arbitrary. Queer means nothing. Such a word doesn't even exist in our language.

Queer just means sexuality or gender that is outside of the established norms. It’s sort of a bit of a catch all term but people do identify as queer. And it is a thoroughly established part of the LGBTQ+ community