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"Woman arrested after admitting having sex with family dog since 13"

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Give me any research on how a dog behaves after having sex with a human and I let this whole thing go. You're basing your whole argument on what you believe or think you have no facts at all.

Like I said to see's a male dog will probably be more protective of the human(defend against perceive threats). It may also develop Alpha tendencies which in human standards are more violent.

You are the one making a claim here. It's up to you to back it up. I'm not aware of any studies that track the behavior of dogs that have had sex with humans, period. You are acting like what you say is a fact, but are not presenting any evidence. If don't have any evidence for your claim, then drop it.

Humans have been having interspecies sex probably since the beginning of humanity. It's attested in art, writing and religion going back thousands of years. It's not going anywhere. It's just part of the natural variation of human sexuality, since we are animals and interspecies sex occurs between non-human animals, too. If we're going to have laws against something, I want objective evidence that a behavior harms another being against its will. So far, I have not seen any evidence that at least some forms of zoosexual activity are harmful either to the non-human or the human. I see no reason why the state should have to waste time and resources prosecuting a woman who enjoys being humped by dogs. Who cares, really? All I see is projections of human concepts onto non-humans and thinly veiled moralizing. I want laws based on logic and evidence which truly serve the common good, not on people's personal squeamishness. If you don't like it, don't do it and look the other way. But don't act like your personal biases extend to the totality of the subject.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
You are the one making a claim here. It's up to you to back it up. I'm not aware of any studies that track the behavior of dogs that have had sex with humans, period. You are acting like what you say is a fact, but are not presenting any evidence. If don't have any evidence for your claim, then drop it.

Humans have been having interspecies sex probably since the beginning of humanity. It's attested in art, writing and religion going back thousands of years. It's not going anywhere. It's just part of the natural variation of human sexuality, since we are animals and interspecies sex occurs between non-human animals, too. If we're going to have laws against something, I want objective evidence that a behavior harms another being against its will. So far, I have not seen any evidence that at least some forms of zoosexual activity are harmful either to the non-human or the human. I see no reason why the state should have to waste time and resources prosecuting a woman who enjoys being humped by dogs. Who cares, really? All I see is projections of human concepts onto non-humans and thinly veiled moralizing. I want laws based on logic and evidence which truly serve the common good, not on people's personal squeamishness. If you don't like it, don't do it and look the other way. But don't act like your personal biases extend to the totality of the subject.

Aren't you presenting your views as fact without conclusive evidence as well? How would his views be any less moot than yours?

Granted, there's the gamut of sexual activity, some of which may be more realistic to achieve without physical harm.

What evidence have you found to support that:

  • domesticated animals are capable of providing a comparable type of sexual consent as that of an adult male or female?
  • domesticated animals are more comparable in mental capacity & cognitive ability to a human adult than to a human child?
  • animals of all ages and sizes can participate in sexual activity with humans without physical harm?
  • those who do practice bestiality aren't forcing or coercing animals in any way?
  • adult females or adult males are anatomically compatible with domesticated animals in blanket label terms?
  • the potential for physiological or psychological harm to both human and animal isn't worth considering?

Some seem to project as if there's no potential for harm to either animal or human, yet, there's this:

Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this:

Infections that are transmitted from animals to humans are called zoonoses. Some zoonoses may be transferred through casual contact, but others are much more readily transferred by activities that expose humans to the semen, vaginal fluids, urine, saliva, feces and blood of animals. Examples of zoonoses are Brucellosis, Q fever, leptospirosis, and toxocariasis. Therefore sexual activity with animals is, in some instances, a high risk activity. Allergic reactions to animal semen may occur, including anaphylaxis. Bites and other trauma from penetration or trampling may occur.

Source: Zoophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Per Wikipedia, interspecies sex in the animal kingdom isn't common.

Even if zoophilia was a natural variant of human sexuality, where is it evidenced that interspecies sex with humans is a natural variant of sexuality in other animal species?

Source: Animal sexual behaviour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And then there's this to consider:

In the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), zoophilia is placed in the classification "other specified paraphilic disorder"[28] ("paraphilias not otherwise specified" in the DSM-III and IV[29][30][31][32]). The World Health Organization takes the same position, listing a sexual preference for animals in its ICD-10 as "other disorder of sexual preference".[33] In the DSM-5, it rises to the level of a diagnosable disorder only when accompanied by distress or interference with normal functioning.[28][34]

Don't project as if those in opposition to the legalization of bestiality or who present such questions just can't get over the "ick" factor. I think that thoughtful questions have been asked in this thread and have not been given thorough consideration.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
You are the one making a claim here. It's up to you to back it up. I'm not aware of any studies that track the behavior of dogs that have had sex with humans, period. You are acting like what you say is a fact, but are not presenting any evidence. If don't have any evidence for your claim, then drop it.

Humans have been having interspecies sex probably since the beginning of humanity. It's attested in art, writing and religion going back thousands of years. It's not going anywhere. It's just part of the natural variation of human sexuality, since we are animals and interspecies sex occurs between non-human animals, too. If we're going to have laws against something, I want objective evidence that a behavior harms another being against its will. So far, I have not seen any evidence that at least some forms of zoosexual activity are harmful either to the non-human or the human. I see no reason why the state should have to waste time and resources prosecuting a woman who enjoys being humped by dogs. Who cares, really? All I see is projections of human concepts onto non-humans and thinly veiled moralizing. I want laws based on logic and evidence which truly serve the common good, not on people's personal squeamishness. If you don't like it, don't do it and look the other way. But don't act like your personal biases extend to the totality of the subject.

Fine simple logic. We don't know what the animals feel or how the animals are effected, It is therefore illegal until the time that research can be proven that the animals are not effected in any negative aspect.

The humans can be given psychological help to deal with not be able to have sex with animals until the research is complete.

Problem solved.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
My final opinion on this,

Just because animals, plants and humans have done it through history does not make something right or legal
Take murder, infanticide, or eating your feces.

As many have said there is no difference between sex with certain animals and sex with humans so it is a choice to have sex with animals. You may not be allowing the animal the same choice.

You do not know how it effects the animal positive or negative.

You do not know if it makes the animal a threat to other humans.

Sex is not a requirement for the individual, it is only a requirement for the species.

There maybe a possibility of passing dangerous disease to the human or animal species.

All that being said society has deemed it illegal. You can get help to deal with the law. You can remove yourself for society. You can of course fight to get it changed. My opinion will not change and I leaving this idiotic thread.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
The photographs above may or may not represent abusive situations. If abuse is depicted in any of the aforementioned photographs, I've already explained to you, that I object to it.
Not talking about abuse, but forced (non-consenting) labor, which is the crux of the non-consent here; the point of the following remarks you made post 95:

"I'm of the opinion that consenting adults should have the right to do as they please with other consenting adults. I've no problem with the illegality of bestiality.

Animals are not capable of consenting to sex with people - period.
To legalize bestiality would legally allow for instances of abuse."

Here you're extending the notion of a non-consenting act to one of abuse: "Want to use animals without their consent, then you're abusing them."

So I showed you several instances where we use animals without their consent, but don't consider it to be abuse.

I don't understand how you can claim with honesty and confidence that animals used in bestiality are well designed for it.
If you have ever seen images of bestiality you'd know animals and humans fit together quite well. I won't go into the specifics because the RF powers that be may find it improper and even offensive.

I don't think it illogical to question "design" when considering the size of some domesticated animals in comparison to an adult male or female.
As I was careful to point out: ". . .most animals aren't involved in bestiality. But those that are, are well "designed" for it."

You've presented no evidence to refute that bestiality can yield negate physiological or psychological impact.
I don't engage in proving negatives. You made the assertion so the burden of proof is on your shoulders, not mine.

And,you have yet to address my statement, "For abuse to take place some kind of harm as to have occurred," by showing the harm in bestiality other than your unsupported opinion that there's some kind of "physiological or psychological impact." Merely say it doesn't make it so.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
Fine simple logic. We don't know what the animals feel or how the animals are effected, It is therefore illegal until the time that research can be proven that the animals are not effected in any negative aspect.
Then this is obviously something we should be applying to every situation where we use animals. Where do you want to start; horse riding, or cow milking, or ????


Just because animals, plants and humans have done it through history does not make something right or legal
Take murder, infanticide, or eating your feces.
Or worshiping ancient gods.

All that being said society has deemed it illegal.
Some societies, SOME!

You can get help to deal with the law. You can remove yourself for society. You can of course fight to get it changed. My opinion will not change and I leaving this idiotic thread.
And if nothing else one can always resort to name calling.
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dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Here you're extending the notion of a non-consenting act to one of abuse: "Want to use animals without their consent, then you're abusing them."

I've not said this. You have.

I've stated that humans in modern civilization cannot have sex with others without consent. Humans in modern civilization cannot have sex with those who are not of consenting age.

I'm talking about sexual behavior and the potential for abuse and harm to either animal or human participant. I'm not interested in comparing apples to oranges, and I believe comparing bestiality to using animals for food & labor to be such a comparison.

Consent is a concern and within the context of bestiality. I've clearly communicated my concerns and have asked questions that remain unanswered.

So I showed you several instances where we use animals without their consent, but don't consider it to be abuse.

If you have ever seen images of bestiality you'd know animals and humans fit together quite well. I won't go into the specifics because the RF powers that be may find it improper and even offensive.

I assume the example that I provided where horse & human anatomy were clearly not compatible isn't worthy of consideration. I assume that the high risk potential cited in the Wikipedia article that I provided isn't worthy of consideration either.

I'm sure that there are instances where human and domesticated animals could engage in sexual activity without harm. That does not mean that in each of these instances, the animal was not coerced or forced.

As I was careful to point out: ". . .most animals aren't involved in bestiality. But those that are, are well "designed" for it."

I don't engage in proving negatives. You made the assertion so the burden of proof is on your shoulders, not mine.

And,you have yet to address my statement, "For abuse to take place some kind of harm as to have occurred," by showing the harm in bestiality other than your unsupported opinion that there's some kind of "physiological or psychological impact." Merely say it doesn't make it so.

Wrong. The burden of proof is as much on your shoulders as mine, if you insist, in blanket label terms that those animals utilized for sex by humans are well designed for it and that harm can not possibly come to both participant.

I'm questioning the potential for physiological or psychological impact, something that you don't seem willing to do. And that's fine.

Without answers to my questions and without quelled concerns, I've no reason to support the legalization of bestiality.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
I've not said this. You have.
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I've stated that humans in modern civilization cannot have sex with others without consent. Humans in modern civilization cannot have sex with those who are not of consenting age.

I'm talking about sexual behavior and the potential for abuse and harm to either animal or human participant. I'm not interested in comparing apples to oranges, and I believe comparing bestiality to using animals for food & labor to be such a comparison.

Consent is a concern and within the context of bestiality. I've clearly communicated my concerns and have asked questions that remain unanswered.

I assume the example that I provided where horse & human anatomy were clearly not compatible isn't worthy of consideration. I assume that the high risk potential cited in the Wikipedia article that I provided isn't worthy of consideration either.

I'm sure that there are instances where human and domesticated animals could engage in sexual activity without harm. That does not mean that in each of these instances, the animal was not coerced or forced.

Wrong. The burden of proof is as much on your shoulders as mine, if you insist, in blanket label terms that those animals utilized for sex by humans are well designed for it and that harm can not possibly come to both participant.

I'm questioning the potential for physiological or psychological impact, something that you don't seem willing to do. And that's fine.

Without answers to my questions and without quelled concerns, I've no reason to support the legalization of bestiality.
This isn't worth my time. Have a good day
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Aren't you presenting your views as fact without conclusive evidence as well? How would his views be any less moot than yours?

Granted, there's the gamut of sexual activity, some of which may be more realistic to achieve without physical harm.

What evidence have you found to support that:

  • domesticated animals are capable of providing a comparable type of sexual consent as that of an adult male or female?
  • domesticated animals are more comparable in mental capacity & cognitive ability to a human adult than to a human child?
  • animals of all ages and sizes can participate in sexual activity with humans without physical harm?
  • those who do practice bestiality aren't forcing or coercing animals in any way?
  • adult females or adult males are anatomically compatible with domesticated animals in blanket label terms?
  • the potential for physiological or psychological harm to both human and animal isn't worth considering?

Some seem to project as if there's no potential for harm to either animal or human, yet, there's this:

Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this:



Source: Zoophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Per Wikipedia, interspecies sex in the animal kingdom isn't common.

Even if zoophilia was a natural variant of human sexuality, where is it evidenced that interspecies sex with humans is a natural variant of sexuality in other animal species?

Source: Animal sexual behaviour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And then there's this to consider:



Don't project as if those in opposition to the legalization of bestiality or who present such questions just can't get over the "ick" factor. I think that thoughtful questions have been asked in this thread and have not been given thorough consideration.

Yes, I've read the Wikipedia page on Zoophilia and I know what the DSM says about it (personally, I wouldn't object to removing the entire category of "paraphilias" from the DSM since they're largely listed there based on their offending social mores rather than actual research, but that's another topic). Nowhere did I say that there aren't risks.

I'm still finding this obsession with consent to be laughable. My dog has no qualms about humping my legs, my pillows and trying to hump the female cat and shoving his face between our legs whether or not we "consent" to it. A male cat I had had no issues with trying to shove his face into my lap when I was having "private time" with myself. It's fine for animal breeders to masturbate and inseminate animals, but if someone is naked from the waist down and bends over to let their horny dog mount them, it should be a crime. These arguments are foolish.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I noticed that @dawny0826 skipped over this part of the Wikipedia Zoophilia article:

"Zoophilia may also be covered to some degree by other fields such as ethics, philosophy, law, animal rights and animal welfare. It may also be touched upon by sociology which looks both at zoosadism in examining patterns and issues related to sexual abuseand at non-sexual zoophilia in examining the role of animals as emotional support and companionship in human lives, and may fall within the scope of psychiatry if it becomes necessary to consider its significance in a clinical context. The Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine (Vol. 18, February 2011) states that sexual contact with animals is almost never a clinically significant problem by itself;[35] it also states that there are several kinds of zoophiles:[35]
  1. Human-animal role-players
  2. Romantic zoophiles
  3. Zoophilic fantasizers
  4. Tactile zoophiles
  5. Fetishistic zoophiles
  6. Sadistic bestials
  7. Opportunistic zoophiles
  8. Regular zoophiles
  9. Exclusive zoophiles
Additionally, zoophiles in categories 2, 3, and 8 (romantic zoophiles, zoophilic fantasizers, and regular zoophiles) are the most common, while zoophiles found in categories 6 and 7 (sadistic bestials and opportunistic zoophiles) are the least common.[35]

Zoophilia may reflect childhood experimentation, sexual abuse or lack of other avenues of sexual expression. Exclusive desire for animals rather than humans is considered a rare paraphilia, and sufferers often have other paraphilias[36] with which they present. Zoophiles will not usually seek help for their condition, and so do not come to the attention of psychiatrists for zoophilia itself.[37]

The first detailed studies of zoophilia date from prior to 1910. Peer reviewed research into zoophilia in its own right started around 1960. However, a number of the most oft-quoted studies, such as Miletski, were not published in peer-reviewed journals. There have been several significant modern books, from Masters (1962) to Beetz (2002);[38] their research arrived at the following conclusions:

  • Most zoophiles have (or have also had) long term human relationships as well or at the same time as zoosexual ones, and that zoosexual partners are usually dogs and/or horses (Masters, Miletski, Beetz)[38][39]
  • Zoophiles' emotions and care for animals can be real, relational, authentic and (within animals' abilities) reciprocal, and not just a substitute or means of expression.[40]Beetz believes zoophilia is not an inclination which is chosen.[38]
  • Society in general at present is considerably misinformed about zoophilia, its stereotypes, and its meaning.[38] The distinction between zoophilia and zoosadism is a critical one to these researchers, and is highlighted by each of these studies. Masters (1962), Miletski (1999) and Weinberg (2003) each comment significantly on the social harm caused by misunderstandings regarding zoophilia: "This destroy the lives of many citizens".[38]


Beetz also states the following:

"The phenomenon of sexual contact with animals is starting to lose its taboo: it is appearing more often in scholarly publications, and the public are being confronted with it, too.[...] Sexual contact with animals – in the form of bestiality or zoophilia – needs to be discussed more openly and investigated in more detail by scholars working in disciplines such as animal ethics, animal behavior, anthrozoology, psychology, mental health, sociology, and the law."[41]

More recently, research has engaged three further directions – the speculation that at least some animals seem to enjoy a zoophilic relationship assuming sadism is not present, and can form an affectionate bond.[42] Similar findings are also reported by Kinsey (cited by Masters), and others earlier in history. Miletski (1999) notes that information on sex with animals on the internet is often very emphatic as to what the zoophile believes gives pleasure and how to identify what is perceived as consent beforehand. For instance, Jonathan Balcombe says animals do things for pleasure. But he himself says pet owners will be unimpressed by this statement, as this is not news to them.[43]

Beetz described the phenomenon of zoophilia/bestiality as being somewhere between crime, paraphilia and love, although she says that most research has been based oncriminological reports, so the cases have frequently involved violence and psychiatric illness. She says only a few recent studies have taken data from volunteers in the community.[44] As with all volunteer surveys and sexual ones in particular, these studies have a potential for self-selection bias.[45]

Medical research suggests that some zoophiles only become aroused by a specific species (such as horses), some zoophiles become aroused by multiple species (which may or may not include humans), and some zoophiles are not attracted to humans at all.[2][46]"

Zoophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
No idea why the formatting screwed up on the last part. Lol.
Easiest way to remove it is to highlight the text, then, in the Edit function, go to the + in the option bar above the post and choose "S strike through."

OR,
copy the text into your note pad, which strips out the striking, copy that, and then replace the striked text in your post with it.

"Beetz also states the following:

"The phenomenon of sexual contact . . .
"

 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm still finding this obsession with consent to be laughable. My dog has no qualms about humping my legs, my pillows and trying to hump the female cat and shoving his face between our legs whether or not we "consent" to it. A male cat I had had no issues with trying to shove his face into my lap when I was having "private time" with myself. It's fine for animal breeders to masturbate and inseminate animals, but if someone is naked from the waist down and bends over to let their horny dog mount them, it should be a crime. These arguments are foolish.
Yeah. If anything, around male dogs, I'm usually the one (my leg at least) in a position to consent or not. It's never happened to me, but I've heard stories of male dogs that try to turn regular human couple sex into an unexpected threesome. I've seen female cats in heat get into a mounting/receptive position and do that march thingy for dogs and humans.
And when an animal doesn't consent to something, this is usually shown through a sign of teeth, claws, growls, barks, or, much like humans display, a defeated attitude of sulking about.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Easiest way to remove it is to highlight the text, then, in the Edit function, go to the + in the option bar above the post and choose "S strike through."

OR,
copy the text into your note pad, which strips out the striking, copy that, and then replace the striked text in your post with it.

"Beetz also states the following:

"The phenomenon of sexual contact . . .
"

Thanks.
Yeah. If anything, around male dogs, I'm usually the one (my leg at least) in a position to consent or not. It's never happened to me, but I've heard stories of male dogs that try to turn regular human couple sex into an unexpected threesome. I've seen female cats in heat get into a mounting/receptive position and do that march thingy for dogs and humans.
And when an animal doesn't consent to something, this is usually shown through a sign of teeth, claws, growls, barks, or, much like humans display, a defeated attitude of sulking about.

Totally. I've had female cats do that to me, as well.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Yes, I've read the Wikipedia page on Zoophilia and I know what the DSM says about it (personally, I wouldn't object to removing the entire category of "paraphilias" from the DSM since they're largely listed there based on their offending social mores rather than actual research, but that's another topic). Nowhere did I say that there aren't risks.

I'm still finding this obsession with consent to be laughable. My dog has no qualms about humping my legs, my pillows and trying to hump the female cat and shoving his face between our legs whether or not we "consent" to it. A male cat I had had no issues with trying to shove his face into my lap when I was having "private time" with myself. It's fine for animal breeders to masturbate and inseminate animals, but if someone is naked from the waist down and bends over to let their horny dog mount them, it should be a crime. These arguments are foolish.

Only foolish if you're not interested in considering the perspective of others. You've not invested the time to thoughtfully demonstrate why arguments in favor of criminalizing bestiality are foolish.

My dog has NEVER humped my leg, before and after neutering. I believe it logical to assume that if a human adult attempted to utilize a dog of his stature for certain acts, he would be injured.

And yet you and others have projected as if this just isn't possible. Don't call my arguments foolish when I'm trying to understand the justification for some of the blanket label comments that have been made which do not add up to what I know about the anatomy of humans and domesticated animals.

If my anecdotal accounts aren't worth consideration, why should yours be?
 
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dawny0826

Mother Heathen
I noticed that @dawny0826 skipped over this part of the Wikipedia Zoophilia article:

"Zoophilia may also be covered to some degree by other fields such as ethics, philosophy, law, animal rights and animal welfare. It may also be touched upon by sociology which looks both at zoosadism in examining patterns and issues related to sexual abuseand at non-sexual zoophilia in examining the role of animals as emotional support and companionship in human lives, and may fall within the scope of psychiatry if it becomes necessary to consider its significance in a clinical context. The Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine (Vol. 18, February 2011) states that sexual contact with animals is almost never a clinically significant problem by itself;[35] it also states that there are several kinds of zoophiles:[35]
  1. Human-animal role-players
  2. Romantic zoophiles
  3. Zoophilic fantasizers
  4. Tactile zoophiles
  5. Fetishistic zoophiles
  6. Sadistic bestials
  7. Opportunistic zoophiles
  8. Regular zoophiles
  9. Exclusive zoophiles
Additionally, zoophiles in categories 2, 3, and 8 (romantic zoophiles, zoophilic fantasizers, and regular zoophiles) are the most common, while zoophiles found in categories 6 and 7 (sadistic bestials and opportunistic zoophiles) are the least common.[35]

Zoophilia may reflect childhood experimentation, sexual abuse or lack of other avenues of sexual expression. Exclusive desire for animals rather than humans is considered a rare paraphilia, and sufferers often have other paraphilias[36] with which they present. Zoophiles will not usually seek help for their condition, and so do not come to the attention of psychiatrists for zoophilia itself.[37]

The first detailed studies of zoophilia date from prior to 1910. Peer reviewed research into zoophilia in its own right started around 1960. However, a number of the most oft-quoted studies, such as Miletski, were not published in peer-reviewed journals. There have been several significant modern books, from Masters (1962) to Beetz (2002);[38] their research arrived at the following conclusions:

  • Most zoophiles have (or have also had) long term human relationships as well or at the same time as zoosexual ones, and that zoosexual partners are usually dogs and/or horses (Masters, Miletski, Beetz)[38][39]
  • Zoophiles' emotions and care for animals can be real, relational, authentic and (within animals' abilities) reciprocal, and not just a substitute or means of expression.[40]Beetz believes zoophilia is not an inclination which is chosen.[38]
  • Society in general at present is considerably misinformed about zoophilia, its stereotypes, and its meaning.[38] The distinction between zoophilia and zoosadism is a critical one to these researchers, and is highlighted by each of these studies. Masters (1962), Miletski (1999) and Weinberg (2003) each comment significantly on the social harm caused by misunderstandings regarding zoophilia: "This destroy the lives of many citizens".[38]


Beetz also states the following:

"The phenomenon of sexual contact with animals is starting to lose its taboo: it is appearing more often in scholarly publications, and the public are being confronted with it, too.[...] Sexual contact with animals – in the form of bestiality or zoophilia – needs to be discussed more openly and investigated in more detail by scholars working in disciplines such as animal ethics, animal behavior, anthrozoology, psychology, mental health, sociology, and the law."[41]

More recently, research has engaged three further directions – the speculation that at least some animals seem to enjoy a zoophilic relationship assuming sadism is not present, and can form an affectionate bond.[42] Similar findings are also reported by Kinsey (cited by Masters), and others earlier in history. Miletski (1999) notes that information on sex with animals on the internet is often very emphatic as to what the zoophile believes gives pleasure and how to identify what is perceived as consent beforehand. For instance, Jonathan Balcombe says animals do things for pleasure. But he himself says pet owners will be unimpressed by this statement, as this is not news to them.[43]

Beetz described the phenomenon of zoophilia/bestiality as being somewhere between crime, paraphilia and love, although she says that most research has been based oncriminological reports, so the cases have frequently involved violence and psychiatric illness. She says only a few recent studies have taken data from volunteers in the community.[44] As with all volunteer surveys and sexual ones in particular, these studies have a potential for self-selection bias.[45]

Medical research suggests that some zoophiles only become aroused by a specific species (such as horses), some zoophiles become aroused by multiple species (which may or may not include humans), and some zoophiles are not attracted to humans at all.[2][46]"

Zoophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still, you have yet to answer a single question that I've asked. I read the article twice. You could have saved this effort in copy/pasting or perhaps copy/pasted from the article what you felt were relevant answers to my questions.

If the article addressed my concerns, I wouldn't have asked the damn questions in the first place. Peace out.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Only foolish if you're not interested in considering the perspective of others.
Consent doesn't work with most animals like it does with humans. Male dogs especially are known for helping themselves. If you approach an animal and they do not want you to, they are very likely to make this known. Dogs growl and bear teeth, cats hiss and draw a paws back, and most animals will make some sort of noise (typically a growl or hiss), show their teeth, and make it clear you actions are not wanted. It may be more subtle, such as a bison which will just stare at you once you get abit too close for comfort, but most animals will make it clear and known if they don't want you do certain things. My brother's dog, for example, will make it very clear he does not like toy guns, and shooting one may cost you a finger. I imagine if you tried to rape this dog, your ability to rape may forever be lost in a violent and painful way.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I've noticed that my previous post in this thread was side-stepped, but nonetheless I have a few more thoughts I wish to add:

On the subject of consent let's use an analogy using human children. I'm sure none of you here would try to condone or defend it but some could try to argue that a child might agree to or enjoy a sexual encounter, but the issue is that they cannot make an informed, rational, independent decision nor can they understand the consequences, ramifications, or the potential effects upon themselves. There's still the level of power that one over the other so you have coercion, manipulation, only cooperating out of fear etc. There's a difference between begrudgingly tolerating something and actually desiring to participate in it, thus bestiality is unethical for the same reasons that pedophilic behavior is, and as said before animals unlike children do not have the ability to communicate their thoughts and feelings nor the ability to seek help.

As for animal labor, that too can be unethical if it causes distress and injury upon the animal. That's the root of the issue; the impact upon animals regardless of how it's inflicted, be it labor or rape or whatever.

As for the girl in the OP, I'm not a licensed psychologist or anything but intuition tells me that she was probably sexually abused and is likely suffering from mental and emotional issues. Perhaps a stay at a psychiatric center rather than in jail would be more benefitial.

As for bestiality being healthy and ethical due it's acceptance by various cultures during various periods of history, that's a poor argument considering that such practices as rape, pedophilia, slavery, etc. were also considered socially acceptable by various cultures during various periods of history.
 

Skwim

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I've noticed that my previous post in this thread was side-stepped, but nonetheless I have a few more thoughts I wish to add:

On the subject of consent let's use an analogy using human children. I'm sure none of you here would try to condone or defend it but some could try to argue that a child might agree to or enjoy a sexual encounter, but the issue is that they cannot make an informed, rational, independent decision nor can they understand the consequences, ramifications, or the potential effects upon themselves. There's still the level of power that one over the other so you have coercion, manipulation, only cooperating out of fear etc. There's a difference between begrudgingly tolerating something and actually desiring to participate in it, thus bestiality is unethical for the same reasons that pedophilic behavior is, and as said before animals unlike children do not have the ability to communicate their thoughts and feelings nor the ability to seek help.
Correct. We make a distinction concerning the rights of humans and the rights of animals. Rights we accord humans we sometimes don't bestow on animals.

As for animal labor, that too can be unethical if it causes distress and injury upon the animal. That's the root of the issue; the impact upon animals regardless of how it's inflicted, be it labor or rape or whatever.
Distress and injury isn't at the root of the issue. Excluding abuse, the issue is simply consent or the lack thererof.

As for bestiality being healthy and ethical due it's acceptance by various cultures during various periods of history, that's a poor argument considering that such practices as rape, pedophilia, slavery, etc. were also considered socially acceptable by various cultures during various periods of history.
If I read you correctly, and I'm not sure I do, have you ever encountered an argument in favor of bestiality based on the acceptability of past practices such as rape, pedophilia, slavery, etc.? I haven't. If you have please cite your source(s).
 
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