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Women Liberating Themselves from Liberation

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Humanistheart

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gnomon said:
1) Yes, a higher percentage of females are enrolling in college than males. So what? What do you know to prove that feminism is as opposed to sociologists who are examining this issue. People looking at the various social factors including varying cultural attitudes, the role our justice system in incarcerating a disproportionately high number of minority males, the growth in technological schools that are not classified as colleges, etc.

2) A feminist can be anyone. Any sex, gender or ethnic identity. To state that "feminists" only push for equality when they are the ones to benefit when a feminist can be anyone is just plain dumb.

3) This movement is not interested in returning to just any traditional roles. They are promoting Biblical traditional roles. There are more traditions out there regarding gender and marriage than just the Biblical one.

4) Equality is a misleading term. There is a difference between proportional equality and campaigning to remove irrational discrimination and to challenge our assumptions regarding sexual and gender identity.

5) Merely stating something along the lines like feminists are hypocrites is proof of nothing more than your opinion. Which, despite being asked to show otherwise, appears to be uninformed.
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Can you lists any famed male feminists then?

Calling a man a feminist would be rather emasculating, given the title. I can't see a man with any real dignity being okay with that title.
 
Alceste

Alceste

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Humanistheart said:
This does nothing to discourage my original assertion. As you said, stopping aids helps everyone, including women. Do you have an example of feminist groups helping with a cause that didn't benifit them? Helping other's in the process of helping themselves is good, but it's does nothing to disprove the point. How about helping with men's issue? Children's rights? Something that can be said to be altruistic and not an advancment for themselves. Also, I note you didn't cite any sources for your claims. Nor have I mind you, although none has been asked for yet. You claim feminists help in causes that don't help themselves, provide the evidence.
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Feminists don't fight for children's rights? Are you insane?
 
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Humanistheart

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Willamena said:
There is nothing they can do altristically that does not involve women; and any example of benefitting men and children could also be held up as an example that also benefits them.

I think I see your game.
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If they care about equality why have they allowed women to gain more legal rights than men in the US? That's what you call hypocrisy.
 
Nanda

Nanda

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Humanistheart said:
Can you lists any famed male feminists then?
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Frederick Douglass, Thomas Paine, Alan Alda, Joss Whedon, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, William Moulton Marston (creator of Wonder Woman!), Thomas Sankara, André A. Jackson, to name a few.

Calling a man a feminist would be rather emasculating, given the title. I can't see a man with any real dignity being okay with that title.
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Ah, I think I finally found the sexism in this thread!
 
Alceste

Alceste

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Willamena said:
All emasulated.

:facepalm:
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Not a half an ounce of sausage to share between the lot of them. Tragic, really. Eddie Vedder could have been such a heart-throb if only he wasn't so concerned about women's reproductive rights. And that Clinton - he gotten so much action on the side if only he hadn't sacrificed his gonads to the cause of gender equality...
 
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gnomon

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Humanistheart said:
Can you lists any famed male feminists then?

Calling a man a feminist would be rather emasculating, given the title. I can't see a man with any real dignity being okay with that title.
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Alan Alda.
Carl Sagan, even though his personal life wasn't perfect.
Frederick Douglass.

Seriously, they have to be famous to count? Sure there are many in the feminist movement who think men cannot truly be feminists thus the starting of meninists and Pro-feminism.

Doesn't alter one bit the underlying humanism behind the concept of doing away with arbitrary patriarchal standards.

Trust me, adopting the title of feminist is far more comfortable than many other titles that could apply to people.
 
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Humanistheart

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Nanda said:
Frederick Douglass, Thomas Paine, Alan Alda, Joss Whedon, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, William Moulton Marston (creator of Wonder Woman!), Thomas Sankara, André A. Jackson, to name a few.
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The creator of wonder woman? :D Ha ha ha. Are you unaware of his inspiration for the character? The polyamory and bondage. Did you know if you bind wonder woman she becomes weak and submissive? Have you seen the covers of older commic with WW bent over the knee getting a spanking? lol, I love the man's kink but this hardly seems to be condusive to feminism.
 
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Humanistheart

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gnomon said:
Name them.
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Put it this way, is there any rights that men have that women don't? Not that I'm aware of? Are there rights women have that men don't? Yes. Untill recently it was not legally possible for men to be raped, only sexually assulted with a foriegn object, which did not carry the same force in court that the title rape did. At no point are men allowed to kill thier children, but it's a standard legal right for women (abortion). Etc Etc.
 
Nanda

Nanda

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Humanistheart said:
The creator of wonder woman? :D Ha ha ha. Are you unaware of his inspiration for the character? The polyamory and bondage. Did you know if you bind wonder woman she becomes weak and submissive? Have you seen the covers of older commic with WW bent over the knee getting a spanking? lol
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You have a problem with polyamory and bondage, now?
 
Nanda

Nanda

Polyanna
Humanistheart said:
Put it this way, is there any rights that men have that women don't? Not that I'm aware of? Are there rights women have that men don't? Yes. Untill recently it was not legally possible for men to be raped, only sexually assulted with a foriegn object, which did not carry the same force in court that the title rape did. At no point are men allowed to kill thier children, but it's a standard legal right for women (abortion). Etc Etc.
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No, let's not "put it this way," how about you name some? You seem to have all these strong opinions based on a whole lot of nothing.
 
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Humanistheart

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Nanda said:
No, let's not "put it this way," how about you name some? You seem to have all these strong opinions based on a whole lot of nothing.
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I named two. Did you lose the ability to read after the first sentence? Well, one that's been corrected recently and one that still stands.
 
Nanda

Nanda

Polyanna
Humanistheart said:
I named two. Did you lose the ability to read after the first sentence? Well, one that's been corrected recently and one that still stands.
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No, you named one that no longer applies ("up until recently") and another that is much, much more complex than the simple terms in which you've listed it. Do you have anything else, or is that it?
 
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