Women: What happens in the voting booth, stays in the voting booth

[Kenny]

Yup. It doesn't change the fact that, biblically, wives should obey their husbands.

But in what area and in what context. So, if the husband said, “Lie on your taxes” - she should obey him? I think someone has taught you relgion and not relationship. Laying down my life includes:

1. Honey, you have your free will and conscience of which God says I should not violate… vote how you want to vote
2. Bella, I have decided to do this your way.
3. And many more of which “dictatorship” is not what God meant

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know anyone like that. Di you?

You may know people like that. Here is the problem with that sort of behavior, it is often kept at home. And yes, I do not know any, but I could name a few. Did you watch the video that I linked? You did not have to watch the whole thing. I gave timestamps for the points of interest. But all of the butthurt Republicans pissing and moaning about that ad are people that think that way. Jesse Waters of FOX clearly thinks that way. He said that it would be akin to cheating on him as the husband. There are plenty of men that think that they can tell their wives who they can vote for.

Did you see the video of Republicans making a similar sort of commercial aimed at Democrats? I just laughed at it and encouraged them with a "Go ahead". That commercial would be far more likely to harm Republicans than Democrats. As the saying goes "The truth hurts" and if there was not significant truth in that commercial Republicans would have just laughed it off. Meanwhile the silly supposed Jewish woman in the other ad would not be effective. It in fact looks very antisemitic to me. It only makes the people that made that commercial look bad and I am all for that.

 

[Alien826]

Hence, if one partner feels the need to lie about how they voted, it would show a lack of support in the marriage and perhaps the marriage should be rethought.

This response is for everyone that thinks this hypothetical marriage is doomed.

Many relationships survive by, if not actually lying, avoiding certain subjects. It's rare that a couple will agree on everything and sometimes one person has an extreme view that he/she will go on and on and on about if triggered. If the relationship is in general satisfactory, then I don't think it's wrong for the other person to avoid the subject or give non committal answers. If someone is literally threatening the other with even verbal violence, then maybe it needs to be addressed (at least).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well… then we both had a good laugh at both videos!

I do not think that your laughter was genuine. The point is that the anti-Trump ad riled up all sorts of Republicans that got mad at the idea of their wives voting in opposition to them. They did not like the commercial and thought that it should be taken down. I on the other hand would encourage the Republicans to air their commercial. I love it when they shoot themselves in the foot

You would be hard pressed to find a Democrat that was insulted by that commercial. They might call it antisemitic, but since that only harms the Republicans they would say "Go ahead".

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Her vote is her private business, none of her husband's. You can tell this by the fact her husband is not allowed to accompany her into the polling booth.

Yes, which is how it should be. The unfortunate part is they are with men that they can't trust with that knowledge.

 

[Kathryn]

You may know people like that. Here is the problem with that sort of behavior, it is often kept at home. And yes, I do not know any, but I could name a few. Did you watch the video that I linked? You did not have to watch the whole thing. I gave timestamps for the points of interest. But all of the butthurt Republicans pissing and moaning about that ad are people that think that way. Jesse Waters of FOX clearly thinks that way. He said that it would be akin to cheating on him as the husband. There are plenty of men that think that they can tell their wives who they can vote for.

I watched a video on this thread and pretty sure it was yours. Like I said, take my word for it or not but I don't know anyone who thinks or behaves that way. I do know plenty of people who don't lie in their marriages and don't feel comfortable doing so or with their spouse doing so. And no, I haven't watched the second video you are talking about. I hate watching videos.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

How dare they!!!??

I know, crazy, huh?! It's sad their husbands are so insecure feel they should have control over their vote.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As one who has studied correctly…. NOPE!

Women: What happens in the voting booth, stays in the voting booth

If the female underground vote is based on emotion and gossip... Such women may have to sneak around their husbands to avoid explaining, since they are not sure why they fundamentally agree with something without understanding; emotional thinker. This was often why men will try to help them...

www.religiousforums.com

I will not disagree with your interpretation at all. I am only going to point out that many Christians will disagree with you. They very well may be wrong. But that does not change the fact that there are male Christians, not all of them, probably not even a majority of them, that believe the wife should submit to the husband in these matters.


In a very very close race one does not have to convince everyone to change their votes. Convincing just a small percentage can be enough.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I watched a video on this thread and pretty sure it was yours. Like I said, take my word for it or not but I don't know anyone who thinks or behaves that way. I do know plenty of people who don't lie in their marriages and don't feel comfortable doing so or with their spouse doing so. And no, I haven't watched the second video you are talking about. i I hate watching videos.

I may have linked more than one video. I cannot remember if I linked just the woman voting commercial. The one that I linked that I was discussing now I just linked this morning. It had several commercials in it so I gave time stamps for when the commercial ran and of butthurt Republicans complaining about it.

I gave the time stamps since I did not expect anyone to watch the entire video.

 

[Kathryn]

I may have linked more than one video. I cannot remember if I linked just the woman voting commercial. The one that I linked that I was discussing now I just linked this morning. It had several commercials in it so I gave time stamps for when the commercial ran and of butthurt Republicans complaining about it.

I gave the time stamps since I did not expect anyone to watch the entire video.

I watched a video with two time stamps. I remember thinking on the second time stamp that I did not get it. Oh well.

 

[F1fan]

it is not logical thinking to say because someone approves of one law that affects women that they want to impose more laws on them.

I never made such a claim. What I did refer to is laws that have taken reproductive rights away from women. Look at Texas. There’s already lawsuits by women against the state because they were denied medical treatment due to the laws republicans passed. ProPublica published another story of a pregnant teenage girl who went to three hospitals for an infection related to the fetus. She was denied medical treatment and died.

These are the real effects of these laws. You ignore it.

Also, 33% of women are staunchly pro life and there are many pro-life women lawmakers. There are also liberal men that want to impose their rules onto women as well.

That’s fine. There’s still no reason why anyone should deny reproductive rights for women. That’s just big government.

 

[Kenny]

I do not think that your laughter was genuine.

I give you every right… to be wrong. - It seems like it just bothers you that women have every right to vote Trump when you want the to vote Tan-mala Kamala.

 

[Kenny]

I will not disagree with your interpretation at all. I am only going to point out that many Christians will disagree with you. They very well may be wrong. But that does not change the fact that there are male Christians, not all of them, probably not even a majority of them, that believe the wife should submit to the husband in these matters.


In a very very close race one does not have to convince everyone to change their votes. Convincing just a small percentage can be enough.

It is a close race. And you may be right about Christians. But you don’t have to be a Christian to have that attitude. Atheists can do it too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I watched a video with two time stamps. I remember thinking on the second time stamp that I did not get it. Oh well.

You definitely did not. Those were Republican men complaining about how that commercial hits below the best, but it could only do so if the commercial was accurate. There is often a problem of cognitive dissonance among believers when they can see that something harms their side. If that commercial was not true in some sense and women could not be convinced to vote against their husbands the reaction to it by Republicans would have been "meh", go ahead. But that is not the react that we saw.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I give you every right… to be wrong. - It seems like it just bothers you that women have every right to vote Trump when you want the to vote Tan-mala Kamala.

And this only confirms my claim. When you have to stoop to a strawman argument you undermine yourself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is a close race. And you may be right about Christians. But you don’t have to be a Christian to have that attitude. Atheists can do it too.

They can, but they have no excuse for it. There will always be sexists.. Christian sexists can point to the Bible and use it for an excuse. You may disagree with that, but it is quite clearly there. Atheism is lacking in dogma. There is no atheistic dogma that a male atheist can point to and say 'You have to vote my way because . . . ".

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

In the OP it refers to Jesse Watters admitting that he would resort to voter intimidation if his wife voted for Harris. "It's over, Emma. It's D-Day!"

Jesse Watters Warns Wife That Secretly ‘Pulling The Lever’ For Kamala Harris Would Be Like ‘Having An Affair’: ‘D-Day!’

Watters' claim that if his wife were to secretly vote for Democratic nominee Kamala Harris he would see it as “the same thing as having an affair.”

www.mediaite.com

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He began: “If I found out Emma was going to the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that’s the same thing as having an affair.”​

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“Oh, my god,” Harold Ford Jr. responded.​

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“Let him finish,” co-panelist Tyrus interrupted.​

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Watters continued: “That violates the sanctity of our marriage. What else is she keeping from me? What is she lying about?​

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Tyrus laughed: “Roll the credits.”​

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Jeanine Pirro asked: “Why would she lie to you?”​

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Watters doubled down: “Why would she do that and vote Harris? Why would she say she was voting… If I caught her and she said ‘I lied to you for the last four years’​

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“So, you’d admit you’d intimidate…” Pirro began.​

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“It’s over, Emma!” Watters declared mockingly. “That would be D-Day!”​

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Ok, that is a relationship issue. People can do what they want in a marriage. None of my business.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, that is a relationship issue. People can do what they want in a marriage. None of my business.

True, I agree with that. But it also shows why that ad works. It shows why it is is perceived as a threat by many (not all, probably not even not most) Republican males. Democrats only have to change the mind of a small percentage of female Republican voters to win this election.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I never made such a claim.

That is exactly what you said. I will assume that is not what you meant.

What I did refer to is laws that have taken reproductive rights away from women. Look at Texas. There’s already lawsuits by women against the state because they were denied medical treatment due to the laws republicans passed. ProPublica published another story of a pregnant teenage girl who went to three hospitals for an infection related to the fetus. She was denied medical treatment and died.

These are the real effects of these laws. You ignore it.

No I don't. I don't know what happened in the case I just heard about it from you. To say I ignore it is wrong.

That’s fine. There’s still no reason why anyone should deny reproductive rights for women. That’s just big government.

I agree.

 

[We Never Know]

Hence, if one partner feels the need to lie about how they voted, it would show a lack of support in the marriage and perhaps the marriage should be rethought.

Hence my first post..

Marriage is a partnership and they should be as a team.

If a spouse lies about something simple like voting, that shows dishonesty already exists in the marriage and trust is lacking.

Maybe they need to rethink their relationship.