Women: What happens in the voting booth, stays in the voting booth

[Clizby Wampuscat]

True, I agree with that. But it also shows why that ad works. It shows why it is is perceived as a threat by many (not all, probably not even not most) Republican males. Democrats only have to change the mind of a small percentage of female Republican voters to win this election.

Maybe, have they? Trump is up 2% from Blacks, 6% from hispanics and 2% from white voters from 2020. He is down 1% from women voters from 2020. At least this is what Pew Research Center said on 10/10. We will see.

 

[Pogo]

For once I waited until the end to compose a response. Time saved! This is what I was going to say.

The only thing I disliked about the ad was that the women were portrayed as being somewhat happy about "deceiving" their husbands. Not that they shouldn't be, but it weakened the message somewhat.

Or you could look at it as enjoying a minor victory in an otherwise controlling situation. It was not aimed at those in an open and mutually respectful marriages. (hopefully you).

 

[fantome profane]

Excuse me...but that cannot be possible if the FLOTUS is from the opposite political party, right?

No matter who wins this election, come 2025 there will not be a first lady living in the White House.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes it is.

• 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. (Eph 5)
• “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12).

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Whoever wrote those "letters" had a very negative view of the role of women in society.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Maybe, have they? Trump is up 2% from Blacks, 6% from hispanics and 2% from white voters from 2020. He is down 1% from women voters from 2020. At least this is what Pew Research Center said on 10/10. We will see.

Early vote returns are not looking good for Trump. Harris holds a large lead with women and they are voting at significantly higher levels than men. Another factor that needs to be considered is excitement to vote. If you have watched the rallies Kamala's are always full and people do not leave. Neither of those are often true for Trump. And as you know, Trump likes to boast about rally size. Kamala dwarfed any records that Trump may have held for crowd size. That is why Trump always has to lie about Harris. He cannot beat her on policy. He can only attempt to beat her with lies.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Early vote returns are not looking good for Trump. Harris holds a large lead with women and they are voting at significantly higher levels than men. Another factor that needs to be considered is excitement to vote. If you have watched the rallies Kamala's are always full and people do not leave. Neither of those are often true for Trump. And as you know, Trump likes to boast about rally size. Kamala dwarfed any records that Trump may have held for crowd size. That is why Trump always has to lie about Harris. He cannot beat her on policy. He can only attempt to beat her with lies.

We will see.

 

[Estro Felino]

No matter who wins this election, come 2025 there will not be a first lady living in the White House.

If Harris wins, there will be the First Gentleman, right?

It's a concept that only exists in France, within Europe, because it deals with a semi-presidential republic.

 

[Koldo]

Yes… one can take snippets and misinterpret what God is saying at the expense of all that God said through His word...

Gal 3: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - There is equality and equity in Christ.

That's kinda funny. You accuse me of misinterpreting the bible and yet you present one quote out of context to make your point. Both Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22 tells slaves to obey their masters. Just like how Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18-19 instruct wives to obey their husbands. The equality presented in Galatians 3:28 is by no means absolute, it doesn't entail the dissolution of social roles. This can also be observed in 1 Timothy 2:11-15: women can not teach men or hold authority over men, and must remain quiet during worship.

Eph As you noted: as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. (the head of the woman, as part iof the church, is Christ and not man. So you have to correctly divide the word of God such as Eph 5:21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.(it’s a two way street) - It isn’t dictatorship because the man is laying down his life for his wife.

I didn't say anything about dictatorship. Biblically, the man is supposed to hold the final say, but he must take into consideration the best interest of his wife. Yet, it is he who has the final say.

1 Peter 3: Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered. If a husband is smart and want his prayers non hindered, he wouldn’t command his wife to vote a certain way.

So… vote away, woman! Vote as your heart leads you!!

Now you pick a verse that zilch to do with commanding wives to do... anything at all.

 

[Kathryn]

You definitely did not. Those were Republican men complaining about how that commercial hits below the best, but it could only do so if the commercial was accurate. There is often a problem of cognitive dissonance among believers when they can see that something harms their side. If that commercial was not true in some sense and women could not be convinced to vote against their husbands the reaction to it by Republicans would have been "meh", go ahead. But that is not the react that we saw.

It has zero impact on me so I do not care one way or the other.

 

[We Never Know]

I am curious about what they find condescending about it. Did they say?

Unfortunately, I suspect that some of the women in my life hide their vote from their husbands.

Its basically telling women voting is their only place("the one place") where they have the right to choose.

"In 'the one' place in America where women still have a right to choose"

Again it would have been better if they had left out 'the' and it had said..
- 'In one place'
- 'At one place'

But 'In The One Place' was poorly chosen.
All that of course is IMO.

 

[fantome profane]

If Harris wins, there will be the First Gentleman, right?

Right, and if Trump wins his wife will still be living in New York.

 

[Kathryn]

That's kinda funny. You accuse me of misinterpreting the bible and yet you present one quote out of context to make your point. Both Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22 tells slaves to obey their masters. Just like how Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18-19 instruct wives to obey their husbands. The equality presented in Galatians 3:28 is by no means absolute, it doesn't entail the dissolution of social rules.

And our society is against men who think they are going to lord it over women. and also for that matter, against slavery, so there's that;

 

[Subduction Zone]

If Harris wins, there will be the First Gentleman, right?

It's a concept that only exists in France, within Europe, because it deals with a semi-presidential republic.

Yes, Doug will become the first gentleman. And may I say that there is no better first name for the first First Gentleman.

 

[fantome profane]

Right, and if Trump wins his wife will still be living in New York.

@Subduction Zone

Not a joke, Melania has said that if her husband wins she does not intend to live in the White House with him.

And that is her choice and I respect that.

 

[crossfire]

Its basically telling women voting is their only place("the one place") where they have the right to choose.

"In 'the one' place in America where women still have a right to choose"

Again it would have been better if they had left out 'the' and it had said..
- 'In one place'
- 'At one place'

But 'In The One Place' was poorly chosen.
All that of course is IMO.

It is enumerated in the US Constitution in the 19th Amendment.

 

[Quagmire]

Any woman who's in a marriage or a relationship with a man who's that abusive or controlling doesn't need an instructional video to teach her how to keep secrets.

It's one of the first things she learns.

Which makes me suspicious about who this video is really aimed at.

 

[We Never Know]

It is enumerated in the US Constitution in the 19th Amendment.

Be so kind and post where it says "In The One Place".

Thanks in advance.

 

[Koldo]

But in what area and in what context.

As long as they are not disobeying God.

So, if the husband said, “Lie on your taxes” - she should obey him?

No, because there is a specific command for obeying the Emperor.

1 Peter 2:13-17

"13Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor."

I think someone has taught you relgion and not relationship. Laying down my life includes:

1. Honey, you have your free will and conscience of which God says I should not violate… vote how you want to vote

Where is the verse that says anything about freedom of conscience?

1. Bella, I have decided to do this your way.
2. And many more of which “dictatorship” is not what God meant

You are the one calling it a dictatorship.

 

[Koldo]

And our society is against men who think they are going to lord it over women. and also for that matter, against slavery, so there's that;

Yup. It is a society that takes inspiration on the bible but doesn't live as told in the bible (which is a good thing).

 

[metis]

Conservatives in furor over Julia Roberts ad​

Republicans have responded to the video with outrage, with some claiming that a wife lying about her vote is as bad as an affair.

If one is truly conservative, then maybe they should mind their own business and accept what their spouse decides.