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Women: What happens in the voting booth, stays in the voting booth

LadyJane

Member
It's entirely possible that many married Republicans shared similar political views over the years until Trump ran for president and it created a bit of a rift. Similar to the divide between Democrats and Republicans. There are many rifts in many families and people have learned to navigate these disagreements in order to keep the peace. Like James Carville and Mary Matalin.

Things have gone to the extreme and you can't keep having the same fight over and over. There are still many Republicans hoping to get their party back. And maybe once the fervor dies down they'll also get their spouses back. Otherwise everyone will end up divorced. These commercials remind women to express who they are. In their own voice. At this point in time.

Everyone is free to vote their conscience. That's the message.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
They can, but they have no excuse for it. There will always be sexists.. Christian sexists can point to the Bible and use it for an excuse.

Only if they twist it.
You may disagree with that, but it is quite clearly there. Atheism is lacking in dogma. There is no atheistic dogma that a male atheist can point to and say 'You have to vote my way because . . . ".

Opinion… I think there is dogma set by atheist. But we have gone round that one before with no conclusion other than “we agree to disagree"
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I hate spitting venom. It takes a very, very high level of evil for me to do that.
I'm very confused by your seemingly contradictory answers. Are you saying that this matter doesn't rise to that level? It seemed that you thought so when I responded to you. Now you're talking about how much you hate righteous indignation. OK, then don't express it. And if you feel like I do that it is appropriate and even a duty, then do so even if it's unpleasant.

How about we just drop this? I don't think you will give me an answer less ambiguous than you have been. Whatever it is you believe and however you actually feel, and whether that agrees with my beliefs and feelings isn't something I care to pursue if I have to ask questions repeatedly to get a clarification of what you are trying to say. I'm content to express my views - and quite clearly and unambiguously I believe - which I have done.
The only thing I disliked about the ad was that the women were portrayed as being somewhat happy about "deceiving" their husbands. Not that they shouldn't be, but it weakened the message somewhat.
I liked that. I understood that to mean that those women were unhappy with their men trying to dominate and control them and were happy to escape that at least just that once. They're unhappy being treated like children, but don't have any other recourse except to submit, fight, or or do what they want anyway secretly.

Remember, many if not most of these women got married as girls or very insecure young women who were initially happy to submit to these men because they thought that that was the path to a happy marriage and being a good wife.

But as the decades passed and they became more confident, more interested in things that never mattered before, and less interested in being told how to live and think, their attitudes toward their husband's domination of them hardened.

But what are they going to do about that if the relationship is otherwise satisfactory? Some will be confrontational and defiant like Thelma and Louise, many of whom will be battered, but more will try to live their lives as they prefer within the confines of the marriage, and if that involves keeping secrets, that's the man's fault. If he would love and promote her well-being rather than trying to maintain control over her, that wouldn't be necessary.

When somebody asks you a question like, "Who did you vote for?" in order to decide if he approves, her options are to tell the truth, lie, or refuse to answer. These were the choices Bill Clinton faced when asked inappropriate questions about his sex life. If his choices are to confess to an affair that he doesn't want made public and which would hurt his marriage and political career, take the fifth, or lie, he's justified in lying, because the first two are both understood as admissions of guilt. The question should never have been asked, but once it was, Clinton was justified in lying.

Likewise with these Handmaid's Tales marriages. If the man asks and she knows that she can expect a backlash telling the truth or refusing to answer, she's justified in saying whatever it is he wants to hear.
my opinion is a husband and wife should not keep secrets and should be able to talk about who they voted for.
And if they can't because he's overbearing and demands submission? If he wants her to tell him the truth, he has to make that possible without incurring his wrath.
To be fair it also says this: Eph 5:25 which you left off, Husbands, love your wives
But we understand what love means in this context, and it's not what I mean. My love for my wife is empowering to her and builds her confidence, which had been shaken before she and I met by one of these guys who thinks that he should control a woman, which involved asserting himself and demeaning and gaslighting her.

Life for her since has been what it always should have been and what his and mine have always been. She's an equal in our marriage. Neither of us has the power of veto over the other, and we don't tell one another what to do. She's not my property and I'm not interested in controlling her life.
it is not logical thinking to say because someone approves of one law that affects women that they want to impose more laws on them.
It's perfectly reasonable to believe that a man who supports any law that subjugates women including his wife will approve of many more.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
There are many rifts in many families and people have learned to navigate these disagreements in order to keep the peace. Like James Carville and Mary Matalin.

It just occurred to me that I've heard nothing from Mary Matalin about her vote.
 

LadyJane

Member
Did you see the CNN special on them? Fascinating.
I didn't catch that but I'll keep my eyes peeled in case they run it again. It indeed fascinates. Especially by today's standards. A shining example of respecting differences of opinion which is the bedrock of a thriving democracy. I'm guessing the majority of Americans are craving a return to some sort of political stability. I am somewhat nervously optimistic about next week's election.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
It's entirely possible that many married Republicans shared similar political views over the years until Trump ran for president and it created a bit of a rift. Similar to the divide between Democrats and Republicans. There are many rifts in many families and people have learned to navigate these disagreements in order to keep the peace. Like James Carville and Mary Matalin.

Things have gone to the extreme and you can't keep having the same fight over and over. There are still many Republicans hoping to get their party back. And maybe once the fervor dies down they'll also get their spouses back. Otherwise everyone will end up divorced. These commercials remind women to express who they are. In their own voice. At this point in time.

Everyone is free to vote their conscience. That's the message.
I think the message is that it's OK to deceive your spouse. I disagree with that message.


Usually a right winger and a left winger don't get or stay married.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Interesting - and telling - reaction to this ad:


Conservatives in furor over Julia Roberts ad

Republicans have responded to the video with outrage, with some claiming that a wife lying about her vote is as bad as an affair.​
“If I found out Emma was going to the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that’s the same thing as having an affair,” Fox News host Jesse Watters said on air Wednesday in a clip highlighted by Mediaite.​
Other GOP members including Charlie Kirk said the thought was “nauseating.”​
In criticizing the ad, he discussed a husband working hard to afford his wife’s lifestyle, and then said a wife who lied to her husband about whom she backed would amount to undermining her husband.​
“I think it’s so gross. I think it’s so nauseating where this wife is wearing the American hat, she’s coming in with her sweet husband who probably works his tail off to make sure that she can go you know and have a nice life and provide to the family, and then she lies to him saying, ‘Oh, yeah, I’m gonna vote for Trump,’ and then she votes for Kamala Harris as her little secret in the voting booth,” Kirk fumed to radio host Megyn Kelly.​
Well it shows more of the true nature of the leftest woman. Oh well. Life goes on.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
What happens in a marriage deserves as much privacy as what happens in a voting booth.
Which is why my husband would never tell me how to vote. Among other things. We typically did not vote the same way but we had similar values. But we usually canceled out each other's vote. Oh well.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Its basically telling women voting is their only place("the one place") where they have the right to choose.

"In 'the one' place in America where women still have a right to choose"

Again it would have been better if they had left out 'the' and it had said..
- 'In one place'
- 'At one place'

But 'In The One Place' was poorly chosen.
All that of course is IMO.

I think the wording was meant to be a jab at abortion bans.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
It just occurred to me that I've heard nothing from Mary Matalin about her vote.
One of those women who will smile at the woman across from her in the knowledge that she doesn't have to admit to her husband that she voted for Harris maybe?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I think the wording was meant to be a jab at abortion bans.
Of course.
But by saying "In 'the one' place in America where women still have a right to choose" is basically telling women voting is their only place("the one place") where they have the right to choose.

It may backfire on them for wording it that way.
 
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