World wide marches against Mordor on the Potomac

[Kirran]

Well, he should be trying to have those actresses to start protesting in other countries like Mexico and Saudi Arabia.. They need to tell Saudi Arabia their unjust deeds will not go on.. But we all doesn't care about those women in other countries because of their nationality.

Whataboutery - just because things are bad in one place, doesn't mean you don't try and improve them because it's worse in another place.

 

[crossfire]

Want to take a moment and congratulate the many cities, my own included, which had a successful and peaceful protest. Portland had more than 100,000 attendees to the women's march and a ZERO crime and arrests reported related to the march.

The figures for Seattle have since been revised from 130,000 to 175,000. Not one arrest was made. The individual protesters even donated $10,000 to a food bank that was along the route.

This link has a really neat time lapse video showing the march in progress--not yet to the final destination yet. There was a 3.5 hour wait for many to just be able to start the march! (It's the second video on the page--scroll down.)

Organizers: 175,000 people turned out for Seattle Women's March

 

[crossfire]

Here in LA there were 750,000 that showed up (they were expecting only 50-70,000). Just saw a report that there were 0 arrests. That's extremely impressive considering we can't even stop a few hundred Laker fans from shutting down the 110 after a championship win.

I'm impressed. Even snopes reported that the Los Angeles Police told them there were no arrests. Good job, LA!

 

[Revoltingest]

Some who are against Trump's administration most certainly will have wild, unsubstantiated notions. And if you're speaking of them specifically fine.

Good!

But you used the word "millions," which changes the connotation a bit, and suggests that your are characterizing the entire group, as opposed to a tiny minority within the protest.

No, not the entire group.
You're off by an order of magnitude.

I've actually been more worried since Friday, and you should be too. Spicer's strange Orwellian war on the media, and Conway's use often term "alternative facts."

I don't worry about differing claims about the size of a crowd.
To make that writ large in order to imagine how his entire presidency will play out is an unreasonable leap.

If the Trump administration believes most media is unfair, then what does fair media look like to them? What does that end game look like? How does the administration determine fair vs unfair criticism?

I don't know.
No one should claim to.
But he does have a valid point about media corruption.
I've seen them misquote him & use other tricks to actively campaign against him.

There's no method for that. . . Unless only positive spin of their actions is considered fair, and criticism of the presidency comes to and end. How could this not be their endgame?

Criticism should be reasonable.
There will be plenty of opportunity for that.
There's no need to manufacture or exaggerate claims.

 

[Kirran]

I like how not a single person seems to have commented on the fact the thread's title says Mordor. Everyone's just seen it and carried on as normal.

 

[crossfire]

Want to take a moment and congratulate the many cities, my own included, which had a successful and peaceful protest. Portland had more than 100,000 attendees to the women's march and a ZERO crime and arrests reported related to the march.

Denver reports 3 arrests made during their Women's March of 100k to 150k, but they were not connected to the march itself.
Estimated 100K gather for Women's March on Denver

 

[crossfire]

Minneapolis-St Paul march of about 100k had one counter-protester arrested when he punched a marcher and started spraying the marchers with pepper spray.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/01/22/counter-protester-arrested-st-paul-womens-march/

 

[Revoltingest]

I like how not a single person seems to have commented on the fact the thread's title says Mordor. Everyone's just seen it and carried on as normal.

Such is the new normal.
(Although I did comment in another thread.)

 

[Kuzcotopia]

I don't know.
No one should claim to.
But he does have a valid point about media corruption.
I've seen them misquote him & use other tricks to actively campaign against him.

Right.

But the Trump admistration's aggressive stance against "unfair media" suggests that they do claim to know how to differentiate.

You also say he has a valid point about media corruption. . . what makes it valid? What misquoting did you see? What tricks did you see used? What do you mean by actively campaigning? What does non-active campaigning look like?

Does it matter which outlets are biased and which are not? Does it matter how often? Does it matter if it was a specific journalist? Is there a scale at the degree of bias that your seeing, 1-10? Did you observe the reporting of enough outlets to make the general claim that the media is corrupt, as some kind of whole? How many media outlets are you tracking right now?

I am not trying to be pedantic here. I'm trying to illustrate just how unsubstantiated all of this "media bias" stuff really is.

Maybe there is some bias. . . but again, without any kind of objective methodology to determine bias or lack thereof, how can you make that claim?

The Trump administration has no trouble making that claim, as do many of his supporters. . . if Trump uses these claims to justify restricting media access to his office, then the process of journalistic censorship has already started.

 

[crossfire]

DC police report no arrests made at their 500k Women's march.
Peace, positivity as massive women's March makes voices heard in D.C.

Although Newt Gingrich said Madonna should be arrested for what she said at the march.
Newt Gingrich: Madonna should be arrested for remark about ‘blowing up the White House’

 

[omega2xx]

Even more than handling a loss poorly, I sense a mass paranoia sweeping the nation.
Perhaps the rise of segregated partisan media is enabling them to live in a world of
pure good & pure evil. For them, the sky feels like it really is falling when they don't
get their way.

In the past 50 years each generation has gotten more emotional. I think it started with someone spiking the foot ball. Now when an athlete thinks he has done something wonderful, they open their mouth as wide as they can and yell at the top of their voice.

No emotions are good and necessary if expressed for the right reasons and in he right way. Crying because they didn't get their way is childish. That is for 3 year olds.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right.

But the Trump admistration's aggressive stance against "unfair media" suggests that they do claim to know how to differentiate.

I think they could differentiate more than they do.

You also say he has a valid point about media corruption. . . what makes it valid? What misquoting did you see? What tricks did you see used? What do you mean by actively campaigning? What does non-active campaigning look like?

When I've heard suspicious quotes attributed to Trump on NPR, I'd go to youtube or transcripts to vet the claim.
Often, his actual words were modified to be more inflammatory.
A trick....
NPR did at least one story seriously comparing Trump to Hitler.
This is not news...it was campaign propaganda.
And by a government created & partially funded news outlet.
I wonder what NPR's funding future is now?

Does it matter which outlets are biased and which are not? Does it matter how often? Does it matter if it was a specific journalist? Is there a scale at the degree of bias that your seeing, 1-10? Did you observe the reporting of enough outlets to make the general claim that the media is corrupt, as some kind of whole? How many media outlets are you tracking right now?

This isn't something I quantify.

I am not trying to be pedantic here. I'm trying to illustrate just how unsubstantiated all of this "media bias" stuff really is.

Unsubstantiated?
No....I personally verified bias in many instances.

Maybe there is some bias. . . but again, without any kind of objective methodology to determine bias or lack thereof, how can you make that claim?

I gave my reasons.
But to turn the tables, how can you claim what I verified isn't cromulent?

The Trump administration has no trouble making claim, as do many of his supporters. . . if Trump uses these claims to justify restricting media access to his office, then the process of journalistic censorship has already started.

Many of Trump's claims look like hot air.
It sure seems that he has the boy who cried wolf problem going on.
But that doesn't mean they're all wrong.

 

[crossfire]

Chicago had no arrests from their 250k march.
Chicago Women's March crowd bigger than expected

 

[sun rise]

I disagree. This is a level of partisan fear I've not seen before.
Certainly, most of the marchers are sane, & peaceful.
(Mrs Revolt was one of them. I declined to go.)
But I see people who are convinced that the worst case scenarios they imagine will come to pass.

Of course I don't know.
But neither do the people of whom I speak.
They will decry what they're sure Trump will do.
And I will opine about their reactions to this false certainty.

How did you miss the past 8 years with the birth certificate lies of the right wing and the temper tantrum no to everything President Obama proposed. You must have not been paying attention.

 

[crossfire]

New York City police no arrests during their March of between 400k and 600k.
http://www.amny.com/news/politics/t...h-draws-thousands-of-demonstrators-1.12652621

 

[Revoltingest]

How did you miss the past 8 years with the birth certificate lies of the right wing and the temper tantrum no to everything President Obama proposed. You must have not been paying attention.

Let's attribute the difference of opinion to perspective.
You lean left, while I'm an extremist outsider.

Obama had both successes & failures.
And he also had Democratic control of Congress for a while.
The 2 parties have long been long been at each other's throats.
Obama endured partisan grief just as did his predecessor.

 

[sun rise]

As to the title, it's hardly new to refer to Washington that way nor is it the left's invention:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mordor+on+the+potomac&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Mark Kreslins Show: Donald “Gandalf” Trump Won’t Be Defeating Mordor On The Potomac

 

[crossfire]

Boston Police say their Women's March of 175k was "respectful," and "refreshing," with no arrests.
Police commissioner: Boston Women's March ‘respectful,' 'refreshing'

 

[Kuzcotopia]

But to turn the tables, how can you claim what I verified isn't cromulent?

Sorry, I tried to use multi-quote, but it barfed on me.

The NPR point is one that merits consideration, and I'd agree federally funded programming is not a good idea.

Still doesn't substantiate anything as far reaching as a corrupt media.

As for turning the tables, where I claim that what you verified ISN'T cromulent. . . LOL.

Don't we athiests make fun of religious folk for making unsubstantiated claims and then asking us to prove they aren't wrong?

 

[crossfire]

No arrests in San Francisco Women's March of about 150k.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sf-womens-march-draws-thousands-despite-stormy-weather/