Would God allow a false prophet to claim a new Law and commandments?

[PruePhillip]

Does a machine own God the planet sitting in natural history just as the Earth body without an environment?

No. That condition is natural history for machine mass/matter itself. Not owner of the gas atmosphere just as taught.

Science never owned the heavenly gas spirit.

no machine owns anything
how do you sit in natural history
what's an earth body
whats without an environment
what's machine/mass/matter mean
what is a gas atmosphere, is it different from an atmosphere?
Sorry, I can't comprehend you.

 

[rational experiences]

I have no idea what you are talking about from the point where you started speaking about God O Earth Fusion onwards. Although I am assuming that you are referring to God cannot be on earth or about him coming in human form?

God O is the body or face of the Earth itself, the stone and the planet O God.

Science is the philosophies of the stone body.

A machine can only exist by using the mass that is held in the body of God O the stone.

Males in science take out of the mass of stone and then infer falsely that their owned machine is a part of God natural history. God did not invent the machine, nor did God change its natural fusion for a male to build that machine. A human being male who says he is a God in science did it.

For he pretends if you did a self psyche appraisal that you talk on behalf of the body of God the stone fusion in science.

The face of the body of God is stone.
The face of the body of the spirit of Christ is its owned heavenly spiritual mass.

The 2 should not be burning face to face....yet science converting God the stone mass cold fusion radiation history force God on its face to burn by disintegration of UFO mass landing on it. As the Moses story why the bushes living in the ground began to burn.

In the Jesus Christ event....not only did the face of God be burnt....it made sink holes.

And that was because they ignored the previous Laws of MOSES as a told story against nuclear science practices, the Temple and pyramid.

 

[rational experiences]

no machine owns anything
how do you sit in natural history
what's an earth body
whats without an environment
what's machine/mass/matter mean
what is a gas atmosphere, is it different from an atmosphere?
Sorry, I can't comprehend you.

Is your consciousness that changed?

 

[Trailblazer]

Joseph Smith said he got a revelation from God. He wrote his own version of the Quran.

He can say anything he wants to but that does not make it true. What did Smith do that was in any way comparable to Muhammad? How did he affect a whole people or a civilization?

Wasn't A'isha only nine years old?

There is controversy over how old she was but He did not take her as a wife for sex.

What would a prophet of God want with wives, money and land anyway?

It was not for His own gratification or glory. That is explained in the history of Islam.
It was customary to have many wives, and men often married them for their protection when they lost their husband, as in battle. A woman without a husband was unprotected so she could not survive.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Who the authors were 'determines' if it was the Word of God or the words of men. If the authors were men, it could only be inspired by God, but if the authors were Manifestations of God (or scribes who wrote for them), then it is the Word of God through the Holy Spirit.

That is not how I see it. Unless you can prove that Muhammad copied stories from the Bible it is unfair to make that accusation. How I see it is that since Muhammad was a Manifestation of God He had knowledge from God so of course He would have known what was revealed in the Bible.

Anyone an claim anything but that does not make it true.

That is a point well taken, and I believe that Muhammad received a revelation directly from God through the Holy Spirit.


Jesus said that no man has ever seen God so that would include Him. Being in the bosom of the Father means being close to God, as close as anyone can get, but nobody has ever 'seen God.'

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

I do not believe Jesus was not any different than Moses or Muhammad or Baha'u'llah. All of them were Prophets who had pre-existent souls in heaven before they were born into bodies on earth. That is where they got their divine minds that had the ability to receive revelations from God..

(96) PRE-EXISTENCE - of Prophets
The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being.

(Shoghi Effendi: High Endeavors, Page: 71)

How does knowing a persons name show that what they write is the word of God? Muhammed could have authored the Quran but not be a manifestation of God. A manifestation of God might have not revealed his name at all and still be a manifestation. The writer could have even claimed to be the said author when in fact they were not.

The reason why I mentioned the stories is because the question is : what is more reasonable to believe based on human experience? Isnt the idea that he copied the stories more reasonable than that he received a revelation from God? We have normal borrowing of stories in everyday life to compare to but we have no evidence that angels or Gods speak to men, just claims that they happen. Therefore the available evidence points to Muhammed copying stories. One would have to prove that angels and a God speaks to people in the first place to say that that is a possibility.

I agree with your point that anybody can claim anything but that does not make it true. But Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the Baha'i all make claims too. Why should I accept those claims over Joseph smiths claims?

Your quote from John and 1 John are not Jesus quotes. They are the writings of the author. But there is still the rest of John to contend with, such as John 1:1 which says that Jesus is God. As for the manifestations, Jesus said that he had a preexistence in heaven, but Moses didnt as far as I remember. So the Biblical conclusion would be that only Jesus was preexistent.

In John 5:19: Jesus says he sees and copies the actions of his father.

But you actually bring up a good point about Jesus. He never said that he saw the father which is something to think about.

Edit: The idea of manifestations is best applied to Jesus and certain angels in the Bible rather than other humans. Angels at times are even said to be God himself. With Jesus the divine name is applied to him as well.

 

[Terry Sampson]

Is your consciousness that changed?

• Questions:
  • Was there ever a time, before your irradiation, when someone grokked you and you knew it?
    • Kin or not kin?
      
    • When and under what circumstances?
  • Has there ever been a time, after your irradiation, when someone grokked you and you knew it?
    • Kin or not kin?
    • When and under what circumstances?

 

[sooda]

I don't see how this is striking people with different opinions.


What if a false prophet brings a set of laws and ordinances that causes people to become corrupted, wrongful, murderers. A false prophet who brings war, and violence. A prophet who causes people end up in hell!


If you believe in a God who cares people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

Scofield has certainly taken over most of Protestants.

 

[stvdv]

What does your scriptures say? If you believe in a God, but no scriptures, you can still bring your reasoning, why would the Powerful and All knowing you believe, allow, someone speak on His behalf, and make them obey a commandments, thereby allowing His people to get misguided?

Hypothetically speaking:
1) IF God exists AND is described as having attributes like "omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, +++" THEN God can do anything, it seems to me
2) Would God allow? "He could allow it" IMO. To say "He would allow it" could be seen as blasphemy, and "should not be done"; I have read

I do know, that the Yoga Vasishtha teaches:
"Even a young boy's words are to be accepted if they are words of wisdom; else, reject it like straw even if uttered by Brahma the creator."

So, even IF God allows false prophets to claim a new Law and Commandments, there is no worry. Accept, if words of wisdom, else reject

Most important IMO is, that we have Faith in ourselves. Once we have this Faith, then such doubts are no issue anymore

 

[Ayjaydee]

Cant imagine how he'd stop me

 

[Samael_Khan]

He can say anything he wants to but that does not make it true. What did Smith do that was in any way comparable to Muhammad? How did he affect a whole people or a civilization?

There is controversy over how old she was but He did not take her as a wife for sex.

It was not for His own gratification or glory. That is explained in the history of Islam.
It was customary to have many wives, and men often married them for their protection when they lost their husband, as in battle. A woman without a husband was unprotected so she could not survive.

If someone ends up having less influence than muhammed then does that make them less of a prophet? Because someone can just throw that reasoning back at you and say that the Bab and Bahu'llah (sorry, dont know the exact beliefs here) wasnt a messenger of God or a manifestation because he didnt influence as many people as muhammed did.

As far as I know as well muhammed conquered Mecca and Medina and then died? It seems that it was his followers later on that conquered nations. So without their ambition his book wouldnt mean much to so many.

Regarding Aisha, whether he took her for the sake of sex or not doesnt make a difference. He still had sex with her when she was 9. If he was a manifestation of God he should have known better. It would be weird if modern day people would know better than him if he was from God.

The problem with Muhammed isnt that he condoned polygamy but that he had 13 wives (i think) whereas his followers could only have 4. It is a trait of a narcissistic cult leader that they become more extreme in satisying their own desires. We see this replicated today in many dangerous cult leaders. They start off tame and appealing in their message. Then when their following increases in membership they become more dogmatic and often violent. And with this they get special sexual privileges compared to their followers. Thsi is also evident from the life of Muhammed. The Meccan verses are peaceful and the later Medina verses are more violent (which is more understandable in his case since he had to rule a nation and defend it.) He started off with one wife and later had many more than he allowed his followers.

 

[sooda]

Is your consciousness that changed?

I'd venture that NO ONE on the board understands anything you write.

 

[sooda]

If someone ends up having less influence than muhammed then does that make them less of a prophet? Because someone can just throw that reasoning back at you and say that the Bab and Bahu'llah (sorry, dont know the exact beliefs here) wasnt a messenger of God or a manifestation because he didnt influence as many people as muhammed did.

As far as I know as well muhammed conquered Mecca and Medina and then died? It seems that it was his followers later on that conquered nations. So without their ambition his book wouldnt mean much to so many.

Regarding Aisha, whether he took her for the sake of sex or not doesnt make a difference. He still had sex with her when she was 9. If he was a manifestation of God he should have known better. It would be weird if modern day people would know better than him if he was from God.

The problem with Muhammed isnt that he condoned polygamy but that he had 13 wives (i think) whereas his followers could only have 4. It is a trait of a narcissistic cult leader that they become more extreme in satisying their own desires. We see this replicated today in many dangerous cult leaders. They start off tame and appealing in their message. Then when their following increases in membership they become more dogmatic and often violent. And with this they get special sexual privileges compared to their followers. Thsi is also evident from the life of Muhammed. The Meccan verses are peaceful and the later Medina verses are more violent (which is more understandable in his case since he had to rule a nation and defend it.) He started off with one wife and later had many more than he allowed his followers.

Aisha was born before the Call so she was closer to 19 than 9.

 

[stvdv]

Thank you for this OP, interesting questions. I like these kind of questions.

I am not asking if God allows a false prophet just to claim to be a prophet of God! I believe He does allow such false prophets.

I thought, I better first check the definition of a prophet before I answer. Oh my God, I did not realize there are so many definitions. No wonder so many call themselves a prophet or even a prophet of God.

According to the definitions below, any person at any time, can be used by God to be "a prophet of God", if I interpret the definition of merriam-webster correctly. This is an interesting thought, that can put the word prophet in another light; more broad, flexible, less restricted.

I am curious, though, what you think about this, as I got the impression that Bahai uses a different definition of prophet than merriam-webster. I better don't reply anymore, before I know we talk about the same definition of a prophet (so, that I can stay on topic within the scope your OP).
I hope you can help me out, because I really like the questions you posed. Do you have a very specific definition of "prophet". And if so, why? And do you think the broad definition is wrong? If so, why?

I never thought about looking up this definition before. For me a prophet was a human, that God choose to use, to reveal some "truth" to humanity, and to share love and enthusiasm for God. But I also believe that "All are God's children", so in theory, God could use any of His children to become a prophet, at any time, at anyplace, as per His Divine Will, whenever He deems it needed, in His Divine Plan, called God's Creation.

Definition of prophet
1: one who utters divinely inspired revelations: such as
a) often capitalized : the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Bible
b) capitalized : one regarded by a group of followers as the final authoritative revealer of God's willMuhammad, the Prophet of Allah
2: one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insightespecially : an inspired poet
3: one who foretells future events : PREDICTOR
4: an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group
5: Christian Science
a: a spiritual seer
b: disappearance of material sense before the conscious facts of spiritual Truth

 

[rational experiences]

Life of a human and our Natural, Nature supports all lives on a stone Planet.

STone the presence of, males taught was its own beginning, the presence of stone...and its own end...the presence of stone.

Stone ejected its spirit gases into the womb of out of space.....and they evolved naturally. Were attacked by Sun radiation, and as creation owns variations to radiating bodies...burnt the cold gases back to a lesser form of a cold radiating gas.

As was taught.

Males, as arrogant today as they were first in science origins, ignorant today as they first were...tell a heard story about how God a male irradiated his own life in Nature, changed that Garden Nature, and brought forward new life out of spirit.

Exactly how it was taught. And he caused that situation his own choice, for he wanted God the O Earth to release him from his bound life holding....if you cared to use common sense. Which I think many males no longer own, personally.

For you all contend being a superior spiritual being of all knowing ideals.

And no longer just support the rationality of what it is to be a family member as a human being living on a planet with a Nature that supports you only in its natural form.

Everyone asks, where did God come from....and an irrational male says a particle and believes what he says.

And as he stands on a formed stone body that owns self presence, and owns a formed atmosphere for a long time before his arrogant male self existed, claims what he says is rational.

So where are the LAWS of what you explain science self if Planet Earth did not exist....how would you explain your own non presence in that information?

If God came from a particle.

And you don't...for the whole time you are claiming to be God....if you cared to think about how your memory and awareness exists first as origin self male explanation, before any machine and a reaction incurred.

Now if you liar of a brother and your organization of scientific Destroyers claim....and so out of nothing the greatest powers of God came into form.

And you live standing on the body that you claimed was MASS O and MATHS O and also GOD O....and then you do a converting act to say....and from SION and the HOLY GRAIL...which is what your organization factually has said it has researched secretly. And next moment huge sink holes appear in the stone body of God the planet Earth.....and there is your claim....from nothing a HOLE the Great power of God has come forth.

Where is it? He would have to say.....oh God is a spirit and it has disappeared.

…23But if your vision is poor, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness! 24No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. 25Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?…

Disappeared in the Bible (28 instances)

 

[rational experiences]

I'd venture that NO ONE on the board understands anything you write.

In the Bible males wrote TH IS IS JESUS KING.

Egyptian ancient literature as you know was about O SI R IS and IS IS.

And the written story says about my awareness as a spiritual male about God.

And said it was the philosophy of the body of the STONE O the planet and the tomb of the power of the KING in the Heavens.

O for the seat of our existent is GOD, the stone, the planet sitting in its heavenly throne.

The spirit of God O, our planet.

How it was told.

So then you would ask, what is human consciousness?

You would then say I am a natural human being, supported by the history of God the O stone planet existing and its owned natural evolution of its heavenly spirits.

Not any form of science, not a scientific explanation about self....just a simple story.

The natural God history and my own human self. Conscious awareness by status of I AM and the IS statements. Meaning what is. For what is, relates to our spiritual reality, all states present, and all states natural, without change.

Then males developed their want for science...and falsified the meaning of natural God history in the cosmos.....how they previously destroyed all life on Earth, as archaeological evidence supports.

After I was irradiated attacked, I became aware that males had been studying the human spiritual life/ body and also consciousness as part of their want of a science artificial theory of being enabled to replicate and copy how a bio form holds a cell form, and keeps it replaced.

And claimed that the information Bible told him how to achieve it.

Which would bring to question, how could you claim that a book written by a human male listening and hearing voiced information told him that idea?

Since when does an atmospheric condition idealize how a human cell is owned living as if a cell existed by itself without a conscious identity. You would be lying.

But a male original science self who owned self identification, seeing you have to be living as a human owning a human life and body to talk about cell existence, would prove you a Satanic liar of historic science Destruction and named self as a human male and a group the Destroyer.

For it owns no other reasoning.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Aisha was born before the Call so she was closer to 19 than 9.

I was listening to a discussion about this once by a Shia imam. He said that the reasons why Sunnis dont accept Aisha as a 21 year old when marrying Muhammed (which apparently is what Shia believe) is because she wasnt pure. The Sunnis believe she is 9 because they want her to be prtrayed as a pure person. Is there any truth to this?

 

[Thief]

Only if it's their choice

and the devil would say the same

I didn't twist her arm
she ate the apple cause she WANTED to

 

[Thief]

and the Carpenter said to His followers...…..

now do THIS (the Passover) in memory of Me

new covenant
new law
not very Jewish

 

[Ayjaydee]

and the devil would say the same

I didn't twist her arm
she ate the apple cause she WANTED to

That's her problem

 

[Thief]

so....God doesn't allow the false prophet